ATI should focus in the future as the highest priority for Catalyst

Zardon · Oct 19, 2004, 06:37 PM

vote and discuss !

**MIG-31** · Oct 19, 2004, 06:45 PM

as for me improved performance,providing this does not compromise image quality.

***craig5320*** · Oct 19, 2004, 06:52 PM

There's only so far you can much the performance barrier with existing hardware, I think they should work on fixing bugs and producing a better all round experience for more users. Not many people have the graphics drivers as the deciding bottleneck in their system. I think bugs would be a better focus.

Sandok · Oct 19, 2004, 06:53 PM

I don't mind lower IQ if it's invisible to the naked eye like brilinear... Just more perfomance

dipstick · Oct 19, 2004, 06:54 PM

Bug fixes should always come first imo.

Koogle · Oct 19, 2004, 07:04 PM

I think they should be working on all of those points, perhaps a more detailed 3d preview that users can see the difference between the settings they choose easily... as for skins I couldn't careless so long as it doesn't hog memory and look shit

*CATALYST maker* · Oct 19, 2004, 07:11 PM

Guys I think you may be misinterpreting the "more performance" option.

What we were interested in is the "more performance" of CCC. I.E. CCC loads up faster, changes options on the slider faster, loads skins faster.

It does not mean "more performance" as in the FPS sense, or faster benchmarks.

Maybe Zardon can clarify in the options that it should be implyied "faster CCC performance (not faster benchmark/game performance)"

Mr cairo · Oct 19, 2004, 07:14 PM

ahhh can you change my vote from more performance to bugfixes then please i really dont like the CCC

Zardon · Oct 19, 2004, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CATALYST maker

Maybe Zardon can clarify in the options that it should be implyied "faster CCC performance (not faster benchmark/game performance)"

done

No_Style · Oct 19, 2004, 07:26 PM

Bug fixes is a priority, especially with the whole PunkBuster issue which I've verified myself

If I could rank the priorities, the next thing would be the CCC's performance.

Sandok · Oct 19, 2004, 07:38 PM

I still stick with my vote for performance... I mean, wether games or CCC... Needs to always be better... AND CCC MUST RUN IN SAFE MODE!!!

Zardon · Oct 19, 2004, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandok

CCC MUST RUN IN SAFE MODE!!!

why?

davidnsibs · Oct 19, 2004, 07:49 PM

tell you what id really like, but not sure how possible it would be. if the cats could somehow monitor framerate when using D3D or OGL and when fps goes below say 35 that it automatically reduces the quality settings. for us who have older cards its sort of pointless putting on antialiasing in new games, even when in some scenes it could run ok, but just others it would be unplayable. if the drivers could turn off aa (or perhaps lower texture detail although i guess this probably couldnt be done without reloading the level) without the gameplay being affected so you could get continuous gameplay then that'd be really cool. erm, does that make sense? anyway, i love my card and have done since i bought it with virtually no problems no matter what i do to it, so the driver team must be doing something right, anyway, to the poll:

dont use CCC as im perfectly happy with the normal control panel and never felt like changing, have broadband so size aint a problem, 3D previews - a CCC thing again, bug fixes - well never have anu issues i need fixing anyway (guess im lucky) so it has to be more features i guess ;-)

interspaced · Oct 19, 2004, 07:51 PM

Fixing bugs should always be the first priority as some bugs have, in the past, made games unplayable. As for the CCC i would like to be given the option to take the preview out as that would speed things up enormously.

ericdrum · Oct 19, 2004, 08:04 PM

I want it to be bug free first. Next I want new features as well as over all great performance from drivers. As far as CCC performance of the tool itself. It's not so big an issue. If it offers good features, I should be able to set it and forget it, so being a bit slow in the GUI doesn't bother me. I'm really hooked on the radlinker way of doing things, and I want custom video settings per application.

evergreen · Oct 19, 2004, 09:22 PM

Bug fixes...I am running CAT 3.9's on my 8500 because some of the later versions were not compatible with my card and the software (games) that I use...

ToP3koms · Oct 19, 2004, 09:28 PM

Bug Fixes ,definately,as I also can not use the newest drivers (4.10) because of the ATI,Punkbuster issue.I am not trying to say it is ATI's fault ,I just would like to see it looked into and fixed ASAP.

Shadow Lady · Oct 19, 2004, 09:35 PM

i can care less about CCC than other things, i mean yeah CCC is great, but well, if u talk about performance in the CCC why not talk as performance generally?

anyway I voted for New Features, ATI always take out a great set of Features I like ^^

this poll should be check boxes instead of current, i'd like to see fix Bugs as much as new features, but whatever

kelticknight · Oct 19, 2004, 09:44 PM

like to see more features,the new ccc doesn't have this,like to have more control of settings

Widkidone · Oct 19, 2004, 10:00 PM

i would like them to fix the 256 mb bug. As for the CCC better skins would be nice. The most important thing i would liek to see is more performance and stability.

Mocca · Oct 19, 2004, 10:52 PM

Bug fixes for sure. I wont use CCC as long as alternatives are avaiable, either through ATi old stype CP or Omega(Radlinker).

Dom · Oct 19, 2004, 11:12 PM

Decreased size of package

Chaos · Oct 20, 2004, 12:23 AM

I voted for faster CCC performance but all of them are viable things for my wish list

Shadow Lady · Oct 20, 2004, 01:07 AM

the way i see it, the poll should have better be called "ATI should focus in the future as the highest priority for Catalyst Control Center"

bug77 · Oct 20, 2004, 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CATALYST maker

Guys I think you may be misinterpreting the "more performance" option.

This is gonna sound a bit (or a lot?) harsh, but I think ATi misinterprets users' interest in CCC (a poll on how many use that could be interesting).
I do understand that ATi needs to bring something new from time to time, but since CCC came out, I don't see any reason to update my card's drivers. Before that I used to see some bugfixes, now all I see is improved CCC resposiveness/reduced memory footprint... Seriously, in 4.10 there are 9 game-related bugs fixed, 4 of them being card-specific.
I know that writing a driver to work on an unknown number of configuration is a tough job (and that's an understatement), but did you guys really need another source of problems (CCC, that is)?
By now you mst have guessed where my vote went...

caqde · Oct 20, 2004, 05:51 AM

I think in order of priority

Number one should be Fix bugs(not that I know of any with my setup/software, but school makes it hard to use long enough to find out...)

Second priority should be faster CCC performance/performance in general(aka code optimizations maybe teach the media/uninformed the meaning of this phrase/term)

Third would be to decrease the package size. Remove useless features, etc.

Fourth Introduce New features. I think this could replace number two every once in a while. AKA introduce new feature -> improve performance to happy level -> Repeat.

Fifth/Sixth New 3d previews and skins. Not that big of a deal. I would probably make a free toolkit for the community to make skins (if you haven't already. Don't know I use Omega's modified drivers on my system). Because I am sure there are those willing to do that out there. 3d previews is down here because well ... I don't really look at them that much. ( i've seen a few that were on my Radeon 9800 cd)

starfury6 · Oct 20, 2004, 07:13 AM

Bug fixes for sure. I for one still can't use CCC at all still. I don't think that 'bug free' is really an attainable goal nowadays because of new features and optimisations being introduced all the time, they invariably cause new bugs to be introduced. The largescale adoption of the internet has lead the world to be patch driven when it comes to games and driver driven when it comes to hardware. Several years ago I think the drivers and games HAD to be better because there was no forum for these companies to update their software. Now there is we have it both bad and good. Good in that since Catalyst 4.8, I think, my UT2004 has got faster and smoother and I have (by todays standards) an old card (9800 Pro). But bad in that these comapnies can let out 'iffy' drivers knowing that in a months time they can try and fix what was wrong.

That said, Ati provide the best drivers and support I've had from a hardware company. Keep it up guys and fix CCC for those of us that can't run it.

Lecture over, I voted bug fixes

**dj_stick** · Oct 20, 2004, 10:04 AM

bugs

Sandok · Oct 20, 2004, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zardon

why?

Because I had played around with some settings and I wanted to change them back cuz I couldn't boot up to Windows XP anymore, just safe mode but CCC didn't start... So I did a system restore which was the only way to solve the problem... Anyways don't matter

wolfran · Oct 20, 2004, 11:59 AM

Does anyone here know if modder could add functionality/features (say something like radlinker) into the CCC?

Voted for bug fixes but new features and performance are also important.

Oct 19, 2004, 06:37 PM	#1
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	ATI should focus in the future as the highest priority for Catalyst vote and discuss !

Oct 19, 2004, 06:45 PM	#2
MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 56,860 Rep Power: 471 System Specs	as for me improved performance,providing this does not compromise image quality. __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here

Oct 19, 2004, 06:52 PM	#3
*craig5320* HH Administrator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 8,578 Rep Power: 445 System Specs	There's only so far you can much the performance barrier with existing hardware, I think they should work on fixing bugs and producing a better all round experience for more users. Not many people have the graphics drivers as the deciding bottleneck in their system. I think bugs would be a better focus. __________________ HardwareHeaven on Facebook

Oct 19, 2004, 07:14 PM	#8
Mr cairo F0rum For Humans Only Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Slightly to the left Posts: 1,780 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	ahhh can you change my vote from more performance to bugfixes then please i really dont like the CCC __________________ *Please consider Sponsoring my wife for the race for life*

Oct 19, 2004, 07:26 PM	#10
No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,034 Rep Power: 0	Bug fixes is a priority, especially with the whole PunkBuster issue which I've verified myself If I could rank the priorities, the next thing would be the CCC's performance. __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here Last edited by No_Style; Oct 19, 2004 at 07:31 PM.

Oct 19, 2004, 06:53 PM	#4
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	I don't mind lower IQ if it's invisible to the naked eye like brilinear... Just more perfomance

Oct 19, 2004, 06:54 PM	#5
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Bug fixes should always come first imo.

Oct 19, 2004, 07:04 PM	#6
Koogle .v2 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Norfolk Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	I think they should be working on all of those points, perhaps a more detailed 3d preview that users can see the difference between the settings they choose easily... as for skins I couldn't careless so long as it doesn't hog memory and look shit

Oct 19, 2004, 07:11 PM	#7
CATALYST maker ATI driver guru Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: ATI, Canada Posts: 678 Rep Power: 63	Guys I think you may be misinterpreting the "more performance" option. What we were interested in is the "more performance" of CCC. I.E. CCC loads up faster, changes options on the slider faster, loads skins faster. It does not mean "more performance" as in the FPS sense, or faster benchmarks. Maybe Zardon can clarify in the options that it should be implyied "faster CCC performance (not faster benchmark/game performance)"

Oct 19, 2004, 07:38 PM	#11
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	I still stick with my vote for performance... I mean, wether games or CCC... Needs to always be better... AND CCC MUST RUN IN SAFE MODE!!!

Oct 19, 2004, 07:49 PM	#13
davidnsibs 9500pro Forever Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Bath, UK Posts: 273 Rep Power: 0	tell you what id really like, but not sure how possible it would be. if the cats could somehow monitor framerate when using D3D or OGL and when fps goes below say 35 that it automatically reduces the quality settings. for us who have older cards its sort of pointless putting on antialiasing in new games, even when in some scenes it could run ok, but just others it would be unplayable. if the drivers could turn off aa (or perhaps lower texture detail although i guess this probably couldnt be done without reloading the level) without the gameplay being affected so you could get continuous gameplay then that'd be really cool. erm, does that make sense? anyway, i love my card and have done since i bought it with virtually no problems no matter what i do to it, so the driver team must be doing something right, anyway, to the poll: dont use CCC as im perfectly happy with the normal control panel and never felt like changing, have broadband so size aint a problem, 3D previews - a CCC thing again, bug fixes - well never have anu issues i need fixing anyway (guess im lucky) so it has to be more features i guess ;-) __________________ Goodbye 9500pro, you've been a faithful servant through Half life, Deus Ex, Unreal 2, Max Payne 1+2, Nolf 1+2, CoD, Far Cry, Civ IV, F.E.A.R and many more Last edited by davidnsibs; Oct 19, 2004 at 07:51 PM. Reason: spelling

Oct 19, 2004, 07:51 PM	#14
interspaced DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 287 Rep Power: 0	Fixing bugs should always be the first priority as some bugs have, in the past, made games unplayable. As for the CCC i would like to be given the option to take the preview out as that would speed things up enormously.

Oct 19, 2004, 08:04 PM	#15
ericdrum DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The SLC Posts: 149 Rep Power: 0	I want it to be bug free first. Next I want new features as well as over all great performance from drivers. As far as CCC performance of the tool itself. It's not so big an issue. If it offers good features, I should be able to set it and forget it, so being a bit slow in the GUI doesn't bother me. I'm really hooked on the radlinker way of doing things, and I want custom video settings per application. __________________ AMD Athlon 64 3500+ MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum nForce3 Ultra 2 gig Corsair XMS 3200 eVGA 6800 GT SB Audigy2 w/ KX Project Drivers 2-80 gig Western Digital SATA 7200 RAID 0 200 GB Seagate Barricuda 7200 for Storage Ultra Xconnect 500W Power Supply Windows XP SP2 Antec P160W case

Oct 19, 2004, 09:22 PM	#16
evergreen DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: West Virginia Posts: 148 Rep Power: 0	Bug fixes...I am running CAT 3.9's on my 8500 because some of the later versions were not compatible with my card and the software (games) that I use...

Oct 19, 2004, 09:28 PM	#17
ToP3koms Respect Human Rights Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: MD. US Posts: 149 Rep Power: 0	Bug Fixes ,definately,as I also can not use the newest drivers (4.10) because of the ATI,Punkbuster issue.I am not trying to say it is ATI's fault ,I just would like to see it looked into and fixed ASAP. __________________ [color=DeepSkyBlue]_____________________________ Asus A8N-SLI Premium/Athlon64 X2 4800+ 2Gb OCZ Platnium Edition PC3200 (2,3,2,5) 2 BFG 7800GTX /Creative X-Fi Western Digital 160Gb SATA II HD /Lite-On 16X DVD-RW Pc Power & Cooling Turbo Cool 510/ WinXP Pro Sp2 [/color]

Oct 19, 2004, 10:00 PM	#20
Widkidone DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Diego, Ca Posts: 711 Rep Power: 0	i would like them to fix the 256 mb bug. As for the CCC better skins would be nice. The most important thing i would liek to see is more performance and stability. __________________ Case- Cooler Master ATC-201B-BXT Aluminum Case Power Supply- Antec 480w TrueBlue480 ATX-12V MX518 Mouse CPU- AMD Athlon 64 processor 4000+ (2.4GHz) Socket-939 Motherboard-K8N Neo2 Platinum 2 GB DDR (2 pcs 1GB) PC-3200 (400) OCZ Dual Channel Platinum Hard Drive- WD 74GB 8MB 10000rpm S-ATA WD740GD Sound Card- Creative SB Audigy 2 Zs Platinum CDRW- LG GCE-8525BI 52X32X52 CD-RW OS- Microsoft Windows XP Pro Edition w/SP2 Video-Radeon X850XT AGP 256MB

Oct 19, 2004, 09:35 PM	#18
Shadow Lady Avril Fan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere in colombia, okok, bogotá city :p Posts: 1,262 Rep Power: 0	i can care less about CCC than other things, i mean yeah CCC is great, but well, if u talk about performance in the CCC why not talk as performance generally? anyway I voted for New Features, ATI always take out a great set of Features I like ^^ this poll should be check boxes instead of current, i'd like to see fix Bugs as much as new features, but whatever __________________ Oblivion ftw

Oct 19, 2004, 09:44 PM	#19
kelticknight DriverHeaven Knight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: EIRE{great for black stuff ,bulmers cider and Munster rubgy Posts: 1,095 Rep Power: 0	like to see more features,the new ccc doesn't have this,like to have more control of settings

Oct 19, 2004, 10:52 PM	#21
Mocca Somewhere in time Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Denmark Posts: 133 Rep Power: 0	Bug fixes for sure. I wont use CCC as long as alternatives are avaiable, either through ATi old stype CP or Omega(Radlinker). __________________ AMD64 3800+ Dualcore Asus A8N-E Nforce4 Ultra Chipset 2048MB Kingston HyperX Dualchan pc3200 Ram Asus 7800GTX PCI-E 16x Graphicscard

Oct 19, 2004, 11:12 PM	#22
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	Decreased size of package

Oct 20, 2004, 12:23 AM	#23
Chaos Number Nine Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 5,268 Rep Power: 167 System Specs	I voted for faster CCC performance but all of them are viable things for my wish list __________________

Oct 20, 2004, 01:07 AM	#24
Shadow Lady Avril Fan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere in colombia, okok, bogotá city :p Posts: 1,262 Rep Power: 0	the way i see it, the poll should have better be called "ATI should focus in the future as the highest priority for Catalyst Control Center" __________________ Oblivion ftw

Oct 20, 2004, 05:51 AM	#26
caqde HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: US, IL Posts: 505 Rep Power: 66 System Specs	I think in order of priority Number one should be Fix bugs(not that I know of any with my setup/software, but school makes it hard to use long enough to find out...) Second priority should be faster CCC performance/performance in general(aka code optimizations maybe teach the media/uninformed the meaning of this phrase/term) Third would be to decrease the package size. Remove useless features, etc. Fourth Introduce New features. I think this could replace number two every once in a while. AKA introduce new feature -> improve performance to happy level -> Repeat. Fifth/Sixth New 3d previews and skins. Not that big of a deal. I would probably make a free toolkit for the community to make skins (if you haven't already. Don't know I use Omega's modified drivers on my system). Because I am sure there are those willing to do that out there. 3d previews is down here because well ... I don't really look at them that much. ( i've seen a few that were on my Radeon 9800 cd) __________________ AMD Phenom II X4 925 AM3/ Giga-byte MA790XT-UD4P XFX HD5770 1GB / 2x8GB of Geil DDR3 12800 10-10-10-28 Samsung SH-S182D DVD-RW drive / Sony Optiarc BD-5300S BD-RW drive Western Digital WD1501FASS(Primary)/Western Digital 15EADS(Secondary)/Western Digital 7500AACS(Secondary)/Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320gb(Secondary) Antec TP-550 / CoolerMaster CMStacker Sound Blaster X-FI Titanium Fatal1ty Professional / Creative Inspire 6600 6.1 speakers Samsugn T200HD 20" LCD Monitor / Logitech Internet 350 Black Keyboard Logitech MX510 Mouse

Oct 20, 2004, 07:13 AM	#27
starfury6 Dark Jedi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 334 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Bug fixes for sure. I for one still can't use CCC at all still. I don't think that 'bug free' is really an attainable goal nowadays because of new features and optimisations being introduced all the time, they invariably cause new bugs to be introduced. The largescale adoption of the internet has lead the world to be patch driven when it comes to games and driver driven when it comes to hardware. Several years ago I think the drivers and games HAD to be better because there was no forum for these companies to update their software. Now there is we have it both bad and good. Good in that since Catalyst 4.8, I think, my UT2004 has got faster and smoother and I have (by todays standards) an old card (9800 Pro). But bad in that these comapnies can let out 'iffy' drivers knowing that in a months time they can try and fix what was wrong. That said, Ati provide the best drivers and support I've had from a hardware company. Keep it up guys and fix CCC for those of us that can't run it. Lecture over, I voted bug fixes __________________ [color=DeepSkyBlue][/color] [color=DeepSkyBlue] Intel Q6600 / Dual 8800 GTS 512/ Asus Striker II Formula OCZ 4GB DDR2 1066 / Scythe Ninja / Hyper 880w 3 x Maxtor 750GB total SATAII / LG Multi Blu[/color]

Oct 20, 2004, 11:59 AM	#30
wolfran DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 414 Rep Power: 0	Does anyone here know if modder could add functionality/features (say something like radlinker) into the CCC? Voted for bug fixes but new features and performance are also important.