Overall usability and design goes to....

Smilez · Jun 17, 2005, 09:24 AM

I vote for CCC, I can wait that < 10 secs for it to load, and its easy and cooler to use :P

And for Zardons question, in my opinion ccc has improved a lot since 5.5, using 5.6 ccc now. Good work ati, keep it up!

kelticknight · Jun 17, 2005, 01:21 PM

have used both cp and ccc in 5.6 drvers setup.ccc has slightly umproved by 1-2 seconds only.takes too long to load and does take too much memory for graphic software.cp is faster and more options
so cp would be first choice at moment,but would put ccc in first spot if you reduce loadtime and memory load

BWX · Jun 17, 2005, 03:12 PM

Wow I just noticed the current results of the poll...
(as of June 17th 2005 10am EST)

-ATI Catalyst Control Centre (CCC) - 23.91%
-Nvidia Forceware Panel - 24.69%
-Catalyst Control Panel (CP) - 47.82%
-Other - 3.58%
---Total Votes: 1146---

And I thought maybe I was in the minority when it comes to the CCC... but I couldn't figure out why. Looks like more people like the more efficient, less flashy, "old" CP.. by quite a large margin. Very interesting.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jun 17, 2005, 06:20 PM

I think you missed an important point that could of been included.

how many havn't even tried it includeing many i see nocking it don't use it or
don't try it. Some (at least on i argued with) who never installed CCC ever!.
But have spent a buch of posts picking on it.

There are alot who decline even trying it from what they read. People should relise
they are mixed in the "Catalyst Control Panel (CP)" in this polling.... Also people that
tried it once ib the begining and have never tried it again!!!

Any chance we can get a new front page poll with something like that included?

BWX · Jun 17, 2005, 07:22 PM

Of course it is not a scientific poll, but look- since 10AM it's up another .5%

The writing is on the wall.. people like the old CP better. I wouldn't have predicted it, but it doesn't surprise me. I think a few tweaks to the CCC GUI could make a big difference. I made a little post about it in another thread around here somewhere.

About people's reason's for voting, you can't make blanket statements like that.. People know what they like and don't like. You can tell them they are wrong all day long, they all have their own reasons for voting. The totals may change drastically by the time the poll ends anyways, I have seen it happen before.

Also don't forget they could be using the CCC and and the Nvidia's CP at the same time on different PC's - or have recently changed brands..

I didn't even vote for the regular CP.... but the numbers don't lie.

EnPassant · Jun 18, 2005, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATI Dude

Hey Just wondering for the CATALYST Control Center, what are the primary reasons you don't find it usable?

Is it the performance, the system resources it uses, or the actual design of the UI?

If you can clearly explain what you don't like, we can evaluate your feedback and make some changes.

Suggestions are more than welcome too!

Please no "It just sucks" comments - doesn't really help much.

Thanks,

Andrew

First thanks for listening

I use the CCC because I really like the profile manager, I have the gamma bug and need to up gamma in games "It works". I also like the way it looks and its easy to find settings.

The things I dont like, It adds too much time to the start-up and shut down. I dont think this is ATI's fault but Microsofts. And i'm a little concearned that .NET wont get fixed properly before the end of this year. "Based on Microsofts history".

Its a good piece of software but need a little more time to mature IMHO.

Randy P · Jun 20, 2005, 12:37 AM

I gotta go with nVidia too

DarkFoss · Jun 20, 2005, 05:47 PM

While the CCC resource use isn't as bad as it was in the past, I still feel it uses too much.
It still loads slowly but mayhap that will change once .net 2 official comes out, I'm not using a beta.
Lastly, I simply cannot find the Open Glide controls in the CCC, more of an annoyance since I have only 1 ogl game.

croky · Jun 21, 2005, 12:52 PM

CP , it just does what i want.
Anyway, i never installed CCC because i saw what happened to half of my friends using it. Slow, laggy and too bloated to perform such mundane tasks as changing resolution and settings.
If you ask my opinion, CCC is mixed bag. Extensive and heavy use of video settings is directed primary to the enthusiast market, enthusiast usually like keeping a clean, stable, fast and resourseful OS, which is everything CCC isn't. No wonder why most people posting here are enthusiast and they vote CP.
Software like this should behave like a referee, you know he's doing a good job when you don't mention it during the match. That's what CP is, you don't talk too much about it because it works.

croky

IvanV · Jun 21, 2005, 09:42 PM

OK, I took Zardon's advice and tried the new CCC. Here's my oppinion about the new version:
Installation went without any problems. I generally have no problems with ATi's installations, but so many people complain about unpleasant things happening, I thought it was worth mentioning. Once loaded, it's responsive enough, though it could be better, and I would deffinately like better loading time. I like the new video options, I haven't yet tried them thoroughly, but they seem quite useful. Some other things, like refresh rate override, are still solved better by 3rd party software. The resource usage is usually 8-15MB of RAM and ~55MB of virtual memory when not loaded which is bearable, although I don't know why it changes so often and sometimes significantly even when I'm not doing anything on the computer. Choosing CCC over CP doesn't seem to influence 3D performance on the whole. And, for the end, something that looks like a bug: after a few times CCC refuses to load! I don't remember having this issue with the old CCCs, but it already happened a few times.
Conclusion:
CCC has improved, it's more responsive and it has some new interesting features, but I still like the old CP better as it doesn't use so much resources and it's faster. Various previews in CCC are useful to new users, but those who know why they opened their graphic card settings don't need them (and one still has to try most of it in-game to see what suits him in that particular one at that resolution and other settings), they just want the options to be available (and in my oppinion, most of the new CCC options could easily be added to CP) and, I believe, prefer software that's quick and simple (I know I do). So my final verdict is: the next time I install new drivers it will be with the CP, but having installed CCC I don't feel the urge to uninstall it right away.
What I would like to see with some next driver version: if ATi is determined to kill the CP then make CCC LITE, where lite stands for less eye candy, but also less resources used and higher loading and response speed, with the same amount of options.

River · Jun 21, 2005, 11:40 PM

i actually like the looks/layout of the CCC over the CCP, but probably just because i am more familar with the layout of CCP i prefer it over the CCC. i also really hate the length of time it takes to open CCC if you want to make a change, or just to take a look at your settings. with CCP it is there almost instantly, and you can get in, make a change, save it, and get out before the CCC would be open if you started them at the same time.

just my opinions
River~

westsidebud · Jun 22, 2005, 07:12 PM

Ahha CP owned this test so far !
good.

See "Neon" i knew i wasn't alone here..
(why do i get the feeling you work for Ati or something ?) <-- joke he he

In all seriousness though,
I think the CCC is ok but the CP
uses LESS resources and does what i need it to do.

One suggestion i would add for CCC is..
Put in an option to disable sending a VPU recovery report
(like there is in the CP) and if its already there and i missed it Sorry

I seriously think they should continue to offer the CP
and NOT discontinue it ! I can't see how that would be that big a deal ?
Bottom line : IT WOULD MAKE YOUR CUSTOMERS HAPPY !
But does that count for anything ?

BWX · Jun 22, 2005, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westsidebud

Bottom line : IT WOULD MAKE YOUR CUSTOMERS HAPPY !
But does that count for anything ?

I doubt it. They are on a power trip with this CCC.. their way or the highway (Nvidia)...

Arikel · Jun 25, 2005, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATI Dude

Hey Just wondering for the CATALYST Control Center, what are the primary reasons you don't find it usable?

Is it the performance, the system resources it uses, or the actual design of the UI?

If you can clearly explain what you don't like, we can evaluate your feedback and make some changes.

Suggestions are more than welcome too!

Please no "It just sucks" comments - doesn't really help much.

Thanks,

Andrew

I voted for the old ATI CP because of the CCC's memory use. I can do anything I really want to do with the CP and a 3rd party tweaker and still use less memory than the CCC, without losing any functionality that I care about.

Ðamage™ · Jun 26, 2005, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATI Dude

Hey Just wondering for the CATALYST Control Center, what are the primary reasons you don't find it usable?

Is it the performance, the system resources it uses, or the actual design of the UI?

If you can clearly explain what you don't like, we can evaluate your feedback and make some changes.

Suggestions are more than welcome too!

Please no "It just sucks" comments - doesn't really help much.

Thanks,

Andrew

Hey Ati Dude,

I dont use the ccc because on the old control panel I like my Direct3D and my OpenGL to be in different tabs rather then have settings for both, and also I'd like the ccc to be more hotkey friendly like the old control panel. Those are the 2 major reasons I dont use it and if those things were implemented in the ccc program then I'd switch over without a 2nd thought. Oh and something else I'd like to discuss is I know on nvidia they have something with their color.. im not exactly sure what it's called again but it has something to do with warming the colors so things stand out a little more.. that would also be a great addition to the driver set.. because I know alot of people who have nvidia cards always burn me on it when the discussion is whether ATi or nVidia is better.

Peace

Pluvious · Jun 26, 2005, 08:53 AM

Digital Viberance.. I miss it dearly.

BWX · Jun 26, 2005, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pluvious

Digital Viberance.. I miss it dearly.

Me too- when I did use it, I always just had it on barely enough to tell.. like the lowest setting.. In some games- it worked wonders..

Jun 17, 2005, 09:24 AM	#31
Smilez DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 96 Rep Power: 0	I vote for CCC, I can wait that < 10 secs for it to load, and its easy and cooler to use :P And for Zardons question, in my opinion ccc has improved a lot since 5.5, using 5.6 ccc now. Good work ati, keep it up! __________________ Hooah!

Jun 17, 2005, 01:21 PM	#32
kelticknight DriverHeaven Knight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: EIRE{great for black stuff ,bulmers cider and Munster rubgy Posts: 1,093 Rep Power: 0	have used both cp and ccc in 5.6 drvers setup.ccc has slightly umproved by 1-2 seconds only.takes too long to load and does take too much memory for graphic software.cp is faster and more options so cp would be first choice at moment,but would put ccc in first spot if you reduce loadtime and memory load __________________

Jun 17, 2005, 03:12 PM	#33
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,610 Rep Power: 99	Wow I just noticed the current results of the poll... (as of June 17th 2005 10am EST) -ATI Catalyst Control Centre (CCC) - 23.91% -Nvidia Forceware Panel - 24.69% -Catalyst Control Panel (CP) - 47.82% -Other - 3.58% ---Total Votes: 1146--- And I thought maybe I was in the minority when it comes to the CCC... but I couldn't figure out why. Looks like more people like the more efficient, less flashy, "old" CP.. by quite a large margin. Very interesting. __________________ One Big Ass Mistake America

Jun 17, 2005, 06:20 PM	#34
The_Neon_Cowboy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,004 Rep Power: 81	I think you missed an important point that could of been included. how many havn't even tried it includeing many i see nocking it don't use it or don't try it. Some (at least on i argued with) who never installed CCC ever!. But have spent a buch of posts picking on it. There are alot who decline even trying it from what they read. People should relise they are mixed in the "Catalyst Control Panel (CP)" in this polling.... Also people that tried it once ib the begining and have never tried it again!!! Any chance we can get a new front page poll with something like that included? __________________

Jun 17, 2005, 07:22 PM	#35
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,610 Rep Power: 99	Of course it is not a scientific poll, but look- since 10AM it's up another .5% The writing is on the wall.. people like the old CP better. I wouldn't have predicted it, but it doesn't surprise me. I think a few tweaks to the CCC GUI could make a big difference. I made a little post about it in another thread around here somewhere. About people's reason's for voting, you can't make blanket statements like that.. People know what they like and don't like. You can tell them they are wrong all day long, they all have their own reasons for voting. The totals may change drastically by the time the poll ends anyways, I have seen it happen before. Also don't forget they could be using the CCC and and the Nvidia's CP at the same time on different PC's - or have recently changed brands.. I didn't even vote for the regular CP.... but the numbers don't lie. __________________ One Big Ass Mistake America

Jun 20, 2005, 12:37 AM	#37
Randy P HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 451 Rep Power: 38	I gotta go with nVidia too

Jun 20, 2005, 05:47 PM	#38
DarkFoss HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Downers Grove IL Posts: 682 Rep Power: 0	While the CCC resource use isn't as bad as it was in the past, I still feel it uses too much. It still loads slowly but mayhap that will change once .net 2 official comes out, I'm not using a beta. Lastly, I simply cannot find the Open Glide controls in the CCC, more of an annoyance since I have only 1 ogl game. __________________ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety,deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin, 1755

Jun 21, 2005, 12:52 PM	#39
croky DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: \|-\| Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	CP , it just does what i want. Anyway, i never installed CCC because i saw what happened to half of my friends using it. Slow, laggy and too bloated to perform such mundane tasks as changing resolution and settings. If you ask my opinion, CCC is mixed bag. Extensive and heavy use of video settings is directed primary to the enthusiast market, enthusiast usually like keeping a clean, stable, fast and resourseful OS, which is everything CCC isn't. No wonder why most people posting here are enthusiast and they vote CP. Software like this should behave like a referee, you know he's doing a good job when you don't mention it during the match. That's what CP is, you don't talk too much about it because it works. croky __________________ Frag for life

Jun 21, 2005, 09:42 PM	#40
IvanV HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,147 Rep Power: 145	OK, I took Zardon's advice and tried the new CCC. Here's my oppinion about the new version: Installation went without any problems. I generally have no problems with ATi's installations, but so many people complain about unpleasant things happening, I thought it was worth mentioning. Once loaded, it's responsive enough, though it could be better, and I would deffinately like better loading time. I like the new video options, I haven't yet tried them thoroughly, but they seem quite useful. Some other things, like refresh rate override, are still solved better by 3rd party software. The resource usage is usually 8-15MB of RAM and ~55MB of virtual memory when not loaded which is bearable, although I don't know why it changes so often and sometimes significantly even when I'm not doing anything on the computer. Choosing CCC over CP doesn't seem to influence 3D performance on the whole. And, for the end, something that looks like a bug: after a few times CCC refuses to load! I don't remember having this issue with the old CCCs, but it already happened a few times. Conclusion: CCC has improved, it's more responsive and it has some new interesting features, but I still like the old CP better as it doesn't use so much resources and it's faster. Various previews in CCC are useful to new users, but those who know why they opened their graphic card settings don't need them (and one still has to try most of it in-game to see what suits him in that particular one at that resolution and other settings), they just want the options to be available (and in my oppinion, most of the new CCC options could easily be added to CP) and, I believe, prefer software that's quick and simple (I know I do). So my final verdict is: the next time I install new drivers it will be with the CP, but having installed CCC I don't feel the urge to uninstall it right away. What I would like to see with some next driver version: if ATi is determined to kill the CP then make CCC LITE, where lite stands for less eye candy, but also less resources used and higher loading and response speed, with the same amount of options. __________________ Feed the porkers and don't touch the buttons! Last edited by IvanV; Jun 21, 2005 at 09:48 PM.

Jun 21, 2005, 11:40 PM	#41
River -=[DHzer0point Team]=- Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 174 Rep Power: 0	ccc vs ccp i actually like the looks/layout of the CCC over the CCP, but probably just because i am more familar with the layout of CCP i prefer it over the CCC. i also really hate the length of time it takes to open CCC if you want to make a change, or just to take a look at your settings. with CCP it is there almost instantly, and you can get in, make a change, save it, and get out before the CCC would be open if you started them at the same time. just my opinions River~ __________________ Dell Dimension 4550 P4, 2.4ghz, 533mhz FSB 1gig ddr ATI Radeon 9700TX, 128mb DDR 17" digital flat panel Harmon Kardon speakers SoundBlaster Live 5.1 Logitech wireless keyboard/mouse Intel Pro/100 VE Windows XP Pro "did you want cheese with that?"

Jun 22, 2005, 07:12 PM	#42
westsidebud DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 64 Rep Power: 0	Ahha CP owned this test so far ! good. See "Neon" i knew i wasn't alone here.. (why do i get the feeling you work for Ati or something ?) <-- joke he he In all seriousness though, I think the CCC is ok but the CP uses LESS resources and does what i need it to do. One suggestion i would add for CCC is.. Put in an option to disable sending a VPU recovery report (like there is in the CP) and if its already there and i missed it Sorry I seriously think they should continue to offer the CP and NOT discontinue it ! I can't see how that would be that big a deal ? Bottom line : IT WOULD MAKE YOUR CUSTOMERS HAPPY ! But does that count for anything ?

Jun 26, 2005, 08:53 AM	#46
Pluvious Elisha = hottie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA CA. SF Bay Area Posts: 1,318 Rep Power: 47	Digital Viberance.. I miss it dearly.