Are you going to wait on ATi's next generation video card?

HawgsHead · Sep 6, 2005, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BWX

O/T

You guys would drool at my uncle's Harley shop.

small sample..
http://driverheavenuploads.co.uk/BWX/bike2.jpg

http://driverheavenuploads.co.uk/BWX/bike3.jpg

http://driverheavenuploads.co.uk/BWX/bike4.jpg

Oh dear,thats soooo nice.What year is that old beast?

HawgsHead · Sep 6, 2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

Well let's be honest, I think everyone knows you seem to favour nvidia and right now I can understand why you would

However I think its best waiting for new hardware to be released rather than just going on what information the inquirer and other "news" sites post.

Of course the speculation is half the fun, isnt it?

Sure I prefer nVIDIA right now.There blowing ATI outta the water.But if the new card ATI is coming out with and the Crossfire system has a good 20% increase in proformance over nVIDIA I will gut my SLi rig and put it on EBAY so fast it will make youre head spin!But as they say in Missouri.You gotta"show me" first.

BWX · Sep 7, 2005, 02:31 AM

37 and 43.. I believe..

he has many more..

wilflare · Sep 7, 2005, 09:31 AM

I'm happy with what I have now.
But if I were to upgrade, I would still have to think before going for ATi again.

Really hope to see the leadership ATi displayed when it released the 9xxx series again.
Hope the product line gets streamlined too. XT. Pro. XL. GT. SE. Confusing ><

But I really like the driver support of ATi, the constant upgrades and nice interface and of course, the nice community. -> Holds me back from going nVidia the next round. ^^

BWX · Sep 7, 2005, 02:37 PM

Too bad I can never use my AGP X800XL in a crossfire mobo.. but I couldn't wait until x-fire comes out to upgrade my card. Also I didn't want to go PCI-e yet because I want to wait till X-fire comes out.. a catch-22.

I know it is not realistic to think I could.. but when I upgrade my mobo and crossfire systems are out.. it would be awesome if somehow I could use it..

Now if I want to use X-fire- I will have to sell the AGP X800XL at a substantial loss- buy another X800XL PCI-e, then buy another one. Oh well. I do want a crossfire system for my next major system upgrade.. running 2 X800XL's.

Too bad there isn't even a hint at a release date.

HawgsHead · Sep 7, 2005, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BWX

Too bad I can never use my AGP X800XL in a crossfire mobo.. but I couldn't wait until x-fire comes out to upgrade my card. Also I didn't want to go PCI-e yet because I want to wait till X-fire comes out.. a catch-22.

I know it is not realistic to think I could.. but when I upgrade my mobo and crossfire systems are out.. it would be awesome if somehow I could use it..

Now if I want to use X-fire- I will have to sell the AGP X800XL at a substantial loss- buy another X800XL PCI-e, then buy another one. Oh well. I do want a crossfire system for my next major system upgrade.. running 2 X800XL's.

Too bad there isn't even a hint at a release date.

Whats X-Fire?

Pyrot · Sep 7, 2005, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HawgsHead

Whats X-Fire?

Crossfire, what else ?

HawgsHead · Sep 7, 2005, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyrot

Crossfire, what else ?

You had X-Fire.I thought someone else had come out with something new.

BWX · Sep 7, 2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by HawgsHead

You had X-Fire.I thought someone else had come out with something new.

Just an abbreviation.. I did it w/o even thinking about it actually. X = cross

Robert McClelland · Sep 7, 2005, 11:02 PM

I'm happy what I have now

all I need new cpu mother board and ram and case I'm all set.

Randy P · Sep 11, 2005, 06:10 PM

I'm happy with my 6800gt so no ATI for now unless they start making cards that blow nVIDIA out of the water.

A new CPU is what I need too. I have a 2.4 and I'm not getting all that I can from my vid card...or so I've been told.

mr yellow · Sep 12, 2005, 04:32 PM

I've got the bucks $$$ and i'm ready to do my upgrade to PCI-E and get me a new GPU.
Just waiting for ATI to show their cards. Either way, we the consumer wins.

I hope ATI does it again. I really prefer ATI to nVidia.
I wonder when the first R520 reviews will hit the net. Also hope there will be plenty of cards availbale on launch. nVidia had cards available at my suppliers the day of the launch. And thats no small feat as I live in South Africa

Sandok · Sep 12, 2005, 04:40 PM

There won't be cards available.. Apparently ATI is having problems again with manufacturing! And if it's REALLY a 16 pipe card, trust me, spend your money on the 7800 series. I hope ATI has a good answer to

But anyways, u got a nice PC right now, I'm sure you can wait for the real kingpins to come out and fight!

HawgsHead · Sep 12, 2005, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Avril Lavinges Panties

There won't be cards available.. Apparently ATI is having problems again with manufacturing! And if it's REALLY a 16 pipe card, trust me, spend your money on the 7800 series. I hope ATI has a good answer to

But anyways, u got a nice PC right now, I'm sure you can wait for the real kingpins to come out and fight!

This is gonna be a bit off topic BUT What the hell is an Avril Lavinges?I have seen 3 members of this club/crowd with Avril Lavinges somewhere in there tag.So,I have gathered now it's female.Amnd thats about all.......HELP!

BWX · Sep 12, 2005, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HawgsHead

This is gonna be a bit off topic BUT What the hell is an Avril Lavinges?I have seen 3 members of this club/crowd with Avril Lavinges somewhere in there tag.So,I have gathered now it's female.Amnd thats about all.......HELP!

She is a hot little singer from Canada.

HawgsHead · Sep 12, 2005, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BWX

She is a hot little singer from Canada.

AWWWWWW shit!I was hoping it was a new CPU or something someone had in the works or somerthing.

mr yellow · Sep 13, 2005, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Avril Lavinges Panties

There won't be cards available.. Apparently ATI is having problems again with manufacturing! And if it's REALLY a 16 pipe card, trust me, spend your money on the 7800 series. I hope ATI has a good answer to

But anyways, u got a nice PC right now, I'm sure you can wait for the real kingpins to come out and fight!

You right. My system is OK...but i still want to upgrade beginning Oct.
I want to switch over to PCI-E ASAP. AGP is on the way out

I'll be getting a the ASUS A8N SLI Premium board with CPU and 7800GTX/R520.
The whole upgrade will cost me about $270

(Im selling my old components)

Bowen · Sep 18, 2005, 07:27 AM

After seeing those benchmarks, I went ahead and bought an eVGA GeForce 7800 GTX. Aside from the waiting, the benchmarks swayed me to go ahead and buy it. They could be fake but I don't think they were. Then there are these: [color=#800080]http://hardinfo.dk/show.asp?desc=3866[/color] These could be fake as well. I don't care anymore but I don't think they are. Besides on ATi's last roadmap it said that the top X1800 XT would be released a month after the general release of the R520. I believe the X1800 XL/Pro will be released first. There is also much talk that there will be a repeat of last year so you can expect to pick up a XT around December or January '06. That is just talk but it is on the ATi roadmap that the XT will be a month behind the XL/Pro.

That said the XL is very simliar in performance to the XT. ATi said that they had not released any R520 XT boards to any partners yet, hence the R520 XT benchmarks from Hardware Analysis being fake. Didn't anyone think that they simply O/Ced a R520 XL to XT speeds??? The only difference between the XT and the XL is that the XT has it's core 50MHz faster and it's memory 75MHz faster. Everything else and I mean EVERYTHING else is identical! Both have 512MB of ram etc etc...

mr yellow · Sep 19, 2005, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowen

After seeing those benchmarks, I went ahead and bought an eVGA GeForce 7800 GTX. Aside from the waiting, the benchmarks swayed me to go ahead and buy it. They could be fake but I don't think they were. Then there are these: [color=#800080]http://hardinfo.dk/show.asp?desc=3866[/color] These could be fake as well. I don't care anymore but I don't think they are. Besides on ATi's last roadmap it said that the top X1800 XT would be released a month after the general release of the R520. I believe the X1800 XL/Pro will be released first. There is also much talk that there will be a repeat of last year so you can expect to pick up a XT around December or January '06. That is just talk but it is on the ATi roadmap that the XT will be a month behind the XL/Pro.

That said the XL is very simliar in performance to the XT. ATi said that they had not released any R520 XT boards to any partners yet, hence the R520 XT benchmarks from Hardware Analysis being fake. Didn't anyone think that they simply O/Ced a R520 XL to XT speeds??? The only difference between the XT and the XL is that the XT has it's core 50MHz faster and it's memory 75MHz faster. Everything else and I mean EVERYTHING else is identical! Both have 512MB of ram etc etc...

Hey Bowen, so u went ahead a did it

Ah well. I think if i was in ur shoes i would've done the same

BTW
Check this out.

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"Would ATI seriously bring 100 of Europe’s top press to a Technology Day where they can run whatever benchmarks they choose if we thought that we were going to lose?"

Taken from here
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpo...&postcount=152

Bowen · Sep 19, 2005, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mr yellow

Hey Bowen, so u went ahead a did it

Ah well. I think if i was in ur shoes i would've done the same

BTW
Check this out.

Taken from here
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpo...&postcount=152

Yup I sure did, it will be here on Tuesday!

If the R520 XT happens to blow the G70 out of the water (I don't think it's gonna happen though) I'll still be ok with it, quite angry at myself but ok in the end. I was able to buy a needed HD so it worked out. I just think ATi has lost many customers to nVidia because of the delays and will continue to do so. After seeing those benchmarks (fake or not) I just decided to say screw it and do it. I'm tired of waiting for....WHAT...what are we waiting for. So far we're waiting for empty promises! Not good enough!

It looks like the R520 XT won't be released on the day of the launch. That's not new news but there's more talk of it now. If that's true then the everyone waiting for the XT will have to wait at least another month! I was going to just get a XL and O/C it to XT speeds but if the Inq is correct the only variant that will O/C well is the XT. The XL and all others are not good O/Cers at all. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26243

So it looks like November 5th if the XL is released on October 5th that is. That is from the last ATi roadmap anyway.

mr yellow · Sep 19, 2005, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowen

Yup I sure did, it will be here on Tuesday!

If the R520 XT happens to blow the G70 out of the water (I don't think it's gonna happen though) I'll still be ok with it, quite angry at myself but ok in the end. I was able to buy a needed HD so it worked out. I just think ATi has lost many customers to nVidia because of the delays and will continue to do so. After seeing those benchmarks (fake or not) I just decided to say screw it and do it. I'm tired of waiting for....WHAT...what are we waiting for. So far we're waiting for empty promises! Not good enough!

It looks like the R520 XT won't be released on the day of the launch. That's not new news but there's more talk of it now. If that's true then the everyone waiting for the XT will have to wait at least another month! I was going to just get a XL and O/C it to XT speeds but if the Inq is correct the only variant that will O/C well is the XT. The XL and all others are not good O/Cers at all. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26243

So it looks like November 5th if the XL is released on October 5th that is. That is from the last ATi roadmap anyway.

Thanx for the info. I read about the voltage issues

So i guess OCing is out of the question.

Atleast i'll be able to make a informed decision by the 1 Oct. Thats when im upgrading.
BTW enjoy ur new card

and lets me know how it is

Bowen · Sep 19, 2005, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mr yellow

Thanx for the info. I read about the voltage issues

So i guess OCing is out of the question.

Atleast i'll be able to make a informed decision by the 1 Oct. Thats when im upgrading.
BTW enjoy ur new card

and lets me know how it is

Sure thing! Hey, if the R520 turns out to be ...well slower than the G70 does. Are you still going to get it or will you buy a G70 or wait for the R580? Seeing what you have, you could totally wait....there's no need for you to get the R520; however if I had already planned on upgrading, it would be hard not to.

I think you would see a bigger change if you waited and went to the R580. Now that should be a massive difference. I doubt you'll see that much difference going from you X800 Pro to a R520 or even a G70 for that matter. Still, waiting until the R580 to be released....well after all this crap we've gone through, I couldn't wait to tell you the truth..heh.

From my perspective, I will see a massive difference in framerate anyway. I doubt I'll see much difference in IQ from my X300 to the 7800. As crappy as this card is, the IQ is the best I've ever seen in a $50 card! Had I gone from my 9800 Pro to the G70, the difference would be less I think. However going from a GeForce Ti4400 to a Radeon 9800 Pro was a noticeable difference.

Anyway I'll let you know how I like it. I just checked the tracking number and even though it's scheduled for Tuesday, it looks like it's gonna be here tomorrow!!

One thing different from that the 7800 has vs the 6800 is that this time nVidia controlled and handled all the production of the 7800's! Of course that means the quality of each card is higher than they used to be. In the 6800 and prior the board manufactures like XFX or eVGA would build them to nVidia's spec but sometimes wouldn't use the parts nVidia wanted so the quality would vary between manufacturers. This time they are all high quality and no matter which company you choose, they are all the same, save the paint job on the heatsink. Isn't that what ATi does...build them all themselves then ship them to the company's. I've always heard ATi usually have better hardware while nVidia's hardware isn't quite as good but they have better drivers. Well so far, nVidia's drivers and hardware are excellent from what I've read!

mr yellow · Sep 19, 2005, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowen

Sure thing! Hey, if the R520 turns out to be ...well slower than the G70 does. Are you still going to get it or will you buy a G70 or wait for the R580? Seeing what you have, you could totally wait....there's no need for you to get the R520; however if I had already planned on upgrading, it would be hard not to.

I think you would see a bigger change if you waited and went to the R580. Now that should be a massive difference. I doubt you'll see that much difference going from you X800 Pro to a R520 or even a G70 for that matter. Still, waiting until the R580 to be released....well after all this crap we've gone through, I couldn't wait to tell you the truth..heh.

From my perspective, I will see a massive difference in framerate anyway. I doubt I'll see much difference in IQ from my X300 to the 7800. As crappy as this card is, the IQ is the best I've ever seen in a $50 card! Had I gone from my 9800 Pro to the G70, the difference would be less I think. However going from a GeForce Ti4400 to a Radeon 9800 Pro was a noticeable difference.

Anyway I'll let you know how I like it. I just checked the tracking number and even though it's scheduled for Tuesday, it looks like it's gonna be here tomorrow!!

One thing different from that the 7800 has vs the 6800 is that this time nVidia controlled and handled all the production of the 7800's! Of course that means the quality of each card is higher than they used to be. In the 6800 and prior the board manufactures like XFX or eVGA would build them to nVidia's spec but sometimes wouldn't use the parts nVidia wanted so the quality would vary between manufacturers. This time they are all high quality and no matter which company you choose, they are all the same, save the paint job on the heatsink. Isn't that what ATi does...build them all themselves then ship them to the company's. I've always heard ATi usually have better hardware while nVidia's hardware isn't quite as good but they have better drivers. Well so far, nVidia's drivers and hardware are excellent from what I've read!

Nah, i can't wait. I just got that upgrading itch

The main reason for upgrading is to switch to PCI-E. AGP is dying a fast death!

My PSU blew on sunday night

So now my new PSU is setting me back quite a bit

Bought myself a ANTEC 480w. Was thinking about getting a ThermalTake but read alot of bad things about them.

Bowen · Sep 19, 2005, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mr yellow

Nah, i can't wait. I just got that upgrading itch

The main reason for upgrading is to switch to PCI-E. AGP is dying a fast death!

My PSU blew on sunday night

So now my new PSU is setting me back quite a bit

Bought myself a ANTEC 480w. Was thinking about getting a ThermalTake but read alot of bad things about them.

I understand, really I do. So did you already buy the Antec PSU? Did I show that 530 Watt Enermax PCI-E PSU? It costs only $89 at Monarch Computer. It's the same one I just bought. It's very high quality. I used to have the AGP equivalent to it and it's awesome! Anyway you can save some money since they are very cheap...cheap in price not quality. It has separate 12v rails too so you get clean power going to your mobo and your vid card! It's also certified by nVidia as SLi ready. Sorry if I've already told you about this. [color=#800080]http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code= 100122[/color]_Code=ps-500

mr yellow · Sep 19, 2005, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowen

I understand, really I do. So did you already buy the Antec PSU? Did I show that 530 Watt Enermax PCI-E PSU? It costs only $89 at Monarch Computer. It's the same one I just bought. It's very high quality. I used to have the AGP equivalent to it and it's awesome! Anyway you can save some money since they are very cheap...cheap in price not quality. It has separate 12v rails too so you get clean power going to your mobo and your vid card! It's also certified by nVidia as SLi ready. Sorry if I've already told you about this. [color=#800080]http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code= 100122[/color]_Code=ps-500

No Prob. Thanx for the link. That is cheap.
I don't really buy online in South Africa. I buy from distributors/suppliers.
I would wait to long.

I bought the AntecTrue Blue. Will go nice with my silver Tsunami case

Dyre Straits · Sep 21, 2005, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FDM80

Got an X800 XL within the last 4 months, won't be getting a new card any time soon.

Pretty much my position right now. I've had my X800 XL for less than 2 months.

SFOSOK · Sep 21, 2005, 07:23 AM

Poor people rock!

That includes me

Bowen · Sep 21, 2005, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mr yellow

No Prob. Thanx for the link. That is cheap.
I don't really buy online in South Africa. I buy from distributors/suppliers.
I would wait to long.

I bought the AntecTrue Blue. Will go nice with my silver Tsunami case

Well, whatever way get you the best deal, that's all that matters. That's a nice PSU too and an even nicer case!!!

Oh hey, I got my 7800 GTX yesteryday and it's AWESOME!!!

So far I've been able to run every game I've tried at 1600x1200 with full AA and AF. That's HL2, CSS, BF2, Age of Empires 3 Demo...heh. Since those are the newest and most graphically intense games, I think I'm fine with the new stuff coming out! On the HL2 stress test with everything maxed out, on the first run it game me a score of 154 FPS!! I haven't done 2nd test run in a row yet and I know the 2nd score is always better. I'm gonna try the new Forceware 81.26 beta drivers. They are supposed to made to make a significant increase in performance especially for the G70 and also for Dual Core systems like myself!

I still haven't tried 3DMark05 yet...I haven't even got it installed yet...lol. Anyway I can say right now that it's definitely worth it!!! I haven't even O/Ced the card yet!!!

Still, you might as well wait to see what the Radeon X1800 XT/XL can do. If on the launch day you find out it sux, I would immediately order the G70!!!

ATi has been talking allot about their Avivo tech today. It was a big secret until today. Since they didn't release any benchmarks I gues the NDA is still not up yet but I know they were very excited about Avivo. It's cool but it has nothing to do with actual performance. I think they're trying to turn everyone's attention from performance to features. I really don't think it will be faster than the G70...but we'll see.

Falstaff · Sep 21, 2005, 11:01 AM

I'll wait....so tired of all the frame rate hype....I know its all going to PCI, and my old 9800 does a fine job....but honestly I have no need for the new cards...

SFOSOK · Sep 21, 2005, 11:27 AM

good choice and awsome card, more than enough for a while.

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Sep 7, 2005, 02:37 PM	#65
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Too bad I can never use my AGP X800XL in a crossfire mobo.. but I couldn't wait until x-fire comes out to upgrade my card. Also I didn't want to go PCI-e yet because I want to wait till X-fire comes out.. a catch-22. I know it is not realistic to think I could.. but when I upgrade my mobo and crossfire systems are out.. it would be awesome if somehow I could use it.. Now if I want to use X-fire- I will have to sell the AGP X800XL at a substantial loss- buy another X800XL PCI-e, then buy another one. Oh well. I do want a crossfire system for my next major system upgrade.. running 2 X800XL's. Too bad there isn't even a hint at a release date. __________________

Sep 7, 2005, 11:02 PM	#70
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Sep 12, 2005, 04:32 PM	#72
mr yellow Driverheaven Trooper Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yavin 4 Posts: 154 Rep Power: 0	I've got the bucks $$$ and i'm ready to do my upgrade to PCI-E and get me a new GPU. Just waiting for ATI to show their cards. Either way, we the consumer wins. I hope ATI does it again. I really prefer ATI to nVidia. I wonder when the first R520 reviews will hit the net. Also hope there will be plenty of cards availbale on launch. nVidia had cards available at my suppliers the day of the launch. And thats no small feat as I live in South Africa __________________ [color=yellowgreen][/color] [color=yellowgreen]"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger, [/color] [color=yellowgreen]anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering"[/color] <><><><><><> INTEL Q6600 @ 3GHZ ASUS P5N32-E SLI 4GB DDR2 800 Seagate 2TB SATA ATi 4870 1GB Audigy 2ZS <><><><><><>

Sep 21, 2005, 07:23 AM	#87
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Sep 7, 2005, 09:31 AM	#64
wilflare DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	I'm happy with what I have now. But if I were to upgrade, I would still have to think before going for ATi again. Really hope to see the leadership ATi displayed when it released the 9xxx series again. Hope the product line gets streamlined too. XT. Pro. XL. GT. SE. Confusing >< But I really like the driver support of ATi, the constant upgrades and nice interface and of course, the nice community. -> Holds me back from going nVidia the next round. ^^

Sep 11, 2005, 06:10 PM	#71
Randy P HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 476 Rep Power: 48 System Specs	I'm happy with my 6800gt so no ATI for now unless they start making cards that blow nVIDIA out of the water. A new CPU is what I need too. I have a 2.4 and I'm not getting all that I can from my vid card...or so I've been told.

Sep 12, 2005, 04:40 PM	#73
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 66	There won't be cards available.. Apparently ATI is having problems again with manufacturing! And if it's REALLY a 16 pipe card, trust me, spend your money on the 7800 series. I hope ATI has a good answer to But anyways, u got a nice PC right now, I'm sure you can wait for the real kingpins to come out and fight!

Sep 18, 2005, 07:27 AM	#78
Bowen DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 42 Rep Power: 0	After seeing those benchmarks, I went ahead and bought an eVGA GeForce 7800 GTX. Aside from the waiting, the benchmarks swayed me to go ahead and buy it. They could be fake but I don't think they were. Then there are these: [color=#800080]http://hardinfo.dk/show.asp?desc=3866[/color] These could be fake as well. I don't care anymore but I don't think they are. Besides on ATi's last roadmap it said that the top X1800 XT would be released a month after the general release of the R520. I believe the X1800 XL/Pro will be released first. There is also much talk that there will be a repeat of last year so you can expect to pick up a XT around December or January '06. That is just talk but it is on the ATi roadmap that the XT will be a month behind the XL/Pro. That said the XL is very simliar in performance to the XT. ATi said that they had not released any R520 XT boards to any partners yet, hence the R520 XT benchmarks from Hardware Analysis being fake. Didn't anyone think that they simply O/Ced a R520 XL to XT speeds??? The only difference between the XT and the XL is that the XT has it's core 50MHz faster and it's memory 75MHz faster. Everything else and I mean EVERYTHING else is identical! Both have 512MB of ram etc etc...

Sep 21, 2005, 11:01 AM	#89
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	I'll wait....so tired of all the frame rate hype....I know its all going to PCI, and my old 9800 does a fine job....but honestly I have no need for the new cards... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Sep 21, 2005, 11:27 AM	#90
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	good choice and awsome card, more than enough for a while. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!