ATI's Crossfire - are you impressed?

Zardon · Sep 27, 2005, 11:53 AM

Please vote !

Vikingod · Sep 27, 2005, 02:52 PM

Im impressed, but i would like to see how it works with the r5xx series befor I would even concider buying it.

daedal · Sep 27, 2005, 03:09 PM

Not impressed. Not with the kind of claims ATI has been making vs. real world values. Waiting to see what will happen with R5s however.

dsdsdk · Sep 27, 2005, 04:55 PM

anyone seen the xbitlabs review...

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...crossfire.html

not impressed either.. but if the dh.net review was my only source i'd say it's pretty good..

Lowfat · Sep 27, 2005, 05:55 PM

Not impressed...yet. If they raise the 60Hz @ 1600X1200 limitations and with the X1800's im sure it will rock.

Sandok · Sep 27, 2005, 06:23 PM

Think it's not as well implemented as NV. But maybe R520 Crossfire will rock?

swimtech · Sep 27, 2005, 06:35 PM

Nice review - liked that you tried with lots of different games...

The underlying technology is obviously working well, and ATI has a solid platform (mainboard chipset) to use the cards, but I wasn't astounded because of the present price/performance against their competition (equal, no better...) and I really had expected them to be able to implement the technology. ATI hopefully will take the price/performance lead with their next revision of GPU, which, with Avivo technology and Crossfire tech across different cards available, should be much more impressive and flexible.

CDsDontBurn · Sep 27, 2005, 07:03 PM

i didn't even know crossfire was even available. Where i work, we hardly carry any ATI cards, and when we do, most of them are low to mid range cards. I haven't seen any other retailer or online store carry the crossfire cards.

and the review posted by dsdsdk, at first i was unimpressed with the comparing results between the x850xt crossfire and the 7800gtx in SLI, because the GTXs were performing better than the x850. Then i remembered that it wasn't the r520

. So now i'm a little more hopeful

.

Pluvious · Sep 27, 2005, 07:08 PM

Not impressed. Will be waiting for the "next" gen. Hopefully it is single slot, and works with my current mobo. AGP is all I need.

CDsDontBurn · Sep 27, 2005, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pluvious

Not impressed. Will be waiting for the "next" gen. Hopefully it is single slot, and works with my current mobo. AGP is all I need.

AGP is dead dude. both nVidia and ATI have said that they will not make their G70 (nVidia) and their R520 (ATI) cores in an AGP format.

Sandok · Sep 27, 2005, 07:52 PM

Yup and AGP = no sli or crossfire so forget it... It's tough but you and I, we are extinct.

Raptor · Sep 27, 2005, 07:53 PM

Not impressed. Nvidia must be breaking open the champaigne bottles right about now

as it's obvious they have the 2005 product cycle all to themselves. Hard bein a ATI fanboi these days

Sandok · Sep 27, 2005, 07:59 PM

True

swimtech · Sep 27, 2005, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Red

Not impressed. Nvidia must be breaking open the champaigne bottles right about now

as it's obvious they have the 2005 product cycle all to themselves. Hard bein a ATI fanboi these days

Eh, yeah, well, I'm still one too - unless Nvidia just blows 'em away (highly doubtful) - ATI will get it going here in the next month or two...

Raptor · Sep 27, 2005, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by swimtech

Eh, yeah, well, I'm still one too - unless Nvidia just blows 'em away (highly doubtful) - ATI will get it going here in the next month or two...

Doubtfull the X1800 series will be less than stellar performers. I guess ATI had to start somewhere with Crossfire. keeping finger crossed

BWX · Sep 27, 2005, 11:05 PM

Impressed, but not that much.. The IQ is awesome, amazing even, but the 60hz limit is like shooting themselves in the foot. If I had the cash, I would not be buying yet. I think in 6 months people will be singing a different tune.

**temeteus82** · Sep 27, 2005, 11:20 PM

I voted: "Not impressed im waiting"
Current CF cards can't beat nVidia's cards. Waiting for the next generation of cards....

SFOSOK · Sep 27, 2005, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BWX

Impressed, but not that much.. The IQ is awesome, amazing even, but the 60hz limit is like shooting themselves in the foot. If I had the cash, I would not be buying yet. I think in 6 months people will be singing a different tune.

Agreed, I just ordered my parts for my computer today from Newegg so it will probably get here early weekend. Too bad ATI waited so long. What they have better be nothing short of amazing or they are screwed. I hope for their sakes it is.

BWX · Sep 27, 2005, 11:28 PM

I thought it would have been cool if they tried to beat the best SLI systems with single card solutions.. (dual core maybe?) I don't think it is impossible, and they could charge a premium. Too bad they didn't go with their first instincts.

CDsDontBurn · Sep 27, 2005, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWX

I thought it would have been cool if they tried to beat the best SLI systems with single card solutions.. (dual core maybe?) I don't think it is impossible, and they could charge a premium. Too bad they didn't go with their first instincts.

that would have been a better solution. who would want to pay $1,200~$1,300 in video cards for a max of 30% increase in performance regardless of it being ATI or nVidia?

evrt63 · Sep 28, 2005, 12:45 AM

in the games i play i notice a difference between 60 and 85 fps and untill they can up the fps i'm waiting

BWX · Sep 28, 2005, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

that would have been a better solution. who would want to pay $1,200~$1,300 in video cards for a max of 30% increase in performance regardless of it being ATI or nVidia?

yeah imagine this.. ATI focusing their efforts to put out a single card solution that even approaches the GTX SLI's performance. Even if they had to put "Crossfire on one card" or something like that, it would be cool as hell, and even if it didn't beat the SLI, all it would have to do it come close and cost less than 2 GTX's..

Plus without focusing on all the dual card stuff, (mobo technology, etc) maybe it could have been done? Who knows? Just a thought, it would have been really cool, and just like ATI to do something like that.

Son_of_Thunder · Sep 28, 2005, 02:44 AM

I don't know, I said impressed, but I'm not buying it yet.

In the DH tests it beat a 6800Ultra SLI setup, and to me that's what it's supposed to do. It should beat a single of the next generation above it (7800GT/X) and match/beat a dual card solution of it's rival (6800Ultra)

Think about it, the x850xt was never supposed to be better than the 7800 series, so why would two of them beat two 7800's?

One thing I didn't like about the DH benchy was that the systems weren't identical, so that throws some things off.

BWX · Sep 28, 2005, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Son_of_Thunder

One thing I didn't like about the DH benchy was that the systems weren't identical, so that throws some things off.

How could they be identical though?

Son_of_Thunder · Sep 28, 2005, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BWX

How could they be identical though?

I'm looking mainly at the 3800+ vs the FX-55

pr0digal jenius · Sep 28, 2005, 04:37 AM

i'll wait for the x1800 to pass judgement, but at this point: ATi - 0....nVidia - 1

CDsDontBurn · Sep 28, 2005, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0digal jenius

i'll wait for the x1800 to pass judgement, but at this point: ATi - 0....nVidia - 1

ditto

Falstaff · Sep 28, 2005, 05:29 AM

Not impressed...but then, for new hardware, it seems Nvidia has led the way again.....sigh.
Ati should make fewer comprimises when they create a new product...
I wouldnt really complain, but my loyalty is challenged by a so so product.
Allan and Stewarts review is exhaustive and informative....
I wonder how ATI will hype this one....or if they will at all...
this product may become an " also ran" when they finally figure out that SLI was a flash in the pan sort of VPU technology and they put it all back on a single card again...
I mean come on people......they can put all the power of both products on a single card...
they can put a man on the moon cant they?

dsdsdk · Sep 28, 2005, 08:10 AM

CDsdontburn, try looking through the review again, and this time compare single 7800gtx vs X850 CF.

i wonder if they even changed SFR/AFR mode when in SLI for the different games..

SFOSOK · Sep 28, 2005, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWX

yeah imagine this.. ATI focusing their efforts to put out a single card solution that even approaches the GTX SLI's performance. Even if they had to put "Crossfire on one card" or something like that, it would be cool as hell, and even if it didn't beat the SLI, all it would have to do it come close and cost less than 2 GTX's..

Plus without focusing on all the dual card stuff, (mobo technology, etc) maybe it could have been done? Who knows? Just a thought, it would have been really cool, and just like ATI to do something like that.

Well, isn't that what Nvidia did with the 7800GTX, they offered a card that is almost better than 2 6800 ultra SLI and 2 x850 crossfire. I think the 7800GTX is truelly awsome card that could be compared to the 9800 of its day. I mean its like most of you look at the stats and say, meh thats not bad. Double the power of 6800 series, that is more than ok. They obviously did something right. I would like to see more praise on the 7800GTX because I believe it truelly deserves it and have you ever seen Nvidia or ATI jump to their next series with almost double performance of the previous series highest card. I would just like to see more praise, it almost seems like the 7800GTX is ignored. I'm just wondering if people can see the same benchmarks I do. Maybe its because I'm used to a crappy comp.

I dunno but I'm just goin to applaud Nvidia with their engineering when ATI shows up with their card I will give them their applaus.

Sep 27, 2005, 11:53 AM	#1
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 177	ATI's Crossfire - are you impressed? Please vote !

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Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,187 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Im impressed, but i would like to see how it works with the r5xx series befor I would even concider buying it. __________________ *How You Can Help DriverHeaven By Using Digg*

Sep 27, 2005, 03:09 PM	#3
daedal Uber Coffee Drinker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gatineau, Quebec Posts: 2,250 Rep Power: 0	Not impressed. Not with the kind of claims ATI has been making vs. real world values. Waiting to see what will happen with R5s however. __________________

Sep 27, 2005, 04:55 PM	#4
dsdsdk DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Denmark, CPH. Posts: 586 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	anyone seen the xbitlabs review... http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...crossfire.html not impressed either.. but if the dh.net review was my only source i'd say it's pretty good.. __________________ No more Kitty!

Sep 27, 2005, 05:55 PM	#5
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Sep 27, 2005, 06:23 PM	#6
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 66	Think it's not as well implemented as NV. But maybe R520 Crossfire will rock?

Sep 27, 2005, 06:35 PM	#7
swimtech HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,040 Rep Power: 122 System Specs	Nice review - liked that you tried with lots of different games... The underlying technology is obviously working well, and ATI has a solid platform (mainboard chipset) to use the cards, but I wasn't astounded because of the present price/performance against their competition (equal, no better...) and I really had expected them to be able to implement the technology. ATI hopefully will take the price/performance lead with their next revision of GPU, which, with Avivo technology and Crossfire tech across different cards available, should be much more impressive and flexible. __________________ It's not so much getting your way that matters or not - what matters is how you go about getting it.

Sep 27, 2005, 07:03 PM	#8
CDsDontBurn 127.0.0.1 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,458 Rep Power: 202 System Specs	i didn't even know crossfire was even available. Where i work, we hardly carry any ATI cards, and when we do, most of them are low to mid range cards. I haven't seen any other retailer or online store carry the crossfire cards. and the review posted by dsdsdk, at first i was unimpressed with the comparing results between the x850xt crossfire and the 7800gtx in SLI, because the GTXs were performing better than the x850. Then i remembered that it wasn't the r520 . So now i'm a little more hopeful . __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Sep 27, 2005, 07:08 PM	#9
Pluvious Elisha = hottie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA CA. SF Bay Area Posts: 1,318 Rep Power: 56	Not impressed. Will be waiting for the "next" gen. Hopefully it is single slot, and works with my current mobo. AGP is all I need. __________________

Sep 27, 2005, 07:52 PM	#11
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 66	Yup and AGP = no sli or crossfire so forget it... It's tough but you and I, we are extinct.

Sep 27, 2005, 07:53 PM	#12
Raptor DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: California USA Posts: 464 Rep Power: 0	Not impressed. Nvidia must be breaking open the champaigne bottles right about now as it's obvious they have the 2005 product cycle all to themselves. Hard bein a ATI fanboi these days __________________ [COLOR=Green][COLOR=DarkOrange] P4C-800 DELUXE/P4 3.4 NORTHWOOD/2 GB CORSAIR PC3200/X850XTPE/2 300 GB MAXTOR HD'S/LOGITECH G5/LOGITECH Z-5500/CREATIVE XFI EXTREME MUSIC/MS 4000 KEYBOARD/Vizio VX37L HDTV/Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD and Toshiba HD-XA1/Oppo HV970HD SACD/DVD-A universal player/Xbox 360/Sony PS3. [/COLOR][/COLOR]

Sep 27, 2005, 07:59 PM	#13
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 66	True

Sep 27, 2005, 11:05 PM	#16
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Impressed, but not that much.. The IQ is awesome, amazing even, but the 60hz limit is like shooting themselves in the foot. If I had the cash, I would not be buying yet. I think in 6 months people will be singing a different tune. __________________

Sep 27, 2005, 11:28 PM	#19
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	I thought it would have been cool if they tried to beat the best SLI systems with single card solutions.. (dual core maybe?) I don't think it is impossible, and they could charge a premium. Too bad they didn't go with their first instincts. __________________

Sep 28, 2005, 12:45 AM	#21
evrt63 HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: oregon Posts: 90 Rep Power: 0	in the games i play i notice a difference between 60 and 85 fps and untill they can up the fps i'm waiting

Sep 28, 2005, 02:44 AM	#23
Son_of_Thunder HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 1,441 Rep Power: 50 System Specs	I don't know, I said impressed, but I'm not buying it yet. In the DH tests it beat a 6800Ultra SLI setup, and to me that's what it's supposed to do. It should beat a single of the next generation above it (7800GT/X) and match/beat a dual card solution of it's rival (6800Ultra) Think about it, the x850xt was never supposed to be better than the 7800 series, so why would two of them beat two 7800's? One thing I didn't like about the DH benchy was that the systems weren't identical, so that throws some things off. __________________

Sep 28, 2005, 04:37 AM	#26
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	i'll wait for the x1800 to pass judgement, but at this point: ATi - 0....nVidia - 1

Sep 28, 2005, 05:29 AM	#28
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	Not impressed...but then, for new hardware, it seems Nvidia has led the way again.....sigh. Ati should make fewer comprimises when they create a new product... I wouldnt really complain, but my loyalty is challenged by a so so product. Allan and Stewarts review is exhaustive and informative.... I wonder how ATI will hype this one....or if they will at all... this product may become an " also ran" when they finally figure out that SLI was a flash in the pan sort of VPU technology and they put it all back on a single card again... I mean come on people......they can put all the power of both products on a single card... they can put a man on the moon cant they? __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Sep 28, 2005, 08:10 AM	#29
dsdsdk DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Denmark, CPH. Posts: 586 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	CDsdontburn, try looking through the review again, and this time compare single 7800gtx vs X850 CF. i wonder if they even changed SFR/AFR mode when in SLI for the different games.. __________________ No more Kitty!