Never ask a software developer for a simple web site

pr0digal jenius · Feb 1, 2007, 09:37 AM

Well, my fiance [Hannah] saw something at work where you got a website announcing your engagement that worked ind of like a "wedding blog", and they charged like, $15 a month or so....

...I immediately decided that was crap

and was far to simplistic for my liking

...so....a month later, armed with enough PHP, mySQL, and AS2.0 to make something good [or cause IE7 to crash in spectacular fashion when typos occurred

] it's coming together nicely.

http://www.hannahandjohn2008.com

If this comes off as "site pimping", by all means ignore it...but well...I'm not sure how it could, since there's no ads/revenue...except the server bill that comes out of my pocket

...but if yall could check it out and let me know if it all works, I've tested it in Opera 9 & IE7, but haven't a clue what it will do in FF or Safari or anything else, nor do I know how all the dynamic elements will fare on a slow machine.

Basically, let me know what yall find breaks it

Dyre Straits · Feb 1, 2007, 09:46 AM

Cool! It works for me.

As for the countdown: Are you taking into consideration the Daylight/Standard hours changes between now and then?

And, this sentence needs a correction:

"from a slightly less nerdy stance then the previous entry"

then -> than

AND, where are some pics of Hannah???

pr0digal jenius · Feb 1, 2007, 09:50 AM

she has an "avatar" if you will, once she finds out hwo to use it tomorrow, they'll be up.

as for the timer...well..it pulls LOCAL system time, isntead of forcing a EST timestamp, so it's counting down to 5 PM in whatever time zone the server is in....not 5 PM EST like it should...that's a boo boo on my part for not thinkign of that until i uploaded to the server [not the sort of thign localhost testing will catch either

]

PS - I miss the then/than thin 9 out of 10 times...but this time i'm gunna blame it being almsot 4am

I'll fix it tomorrow

RoyBatty · Feb 1, 2007, 11:21 AM

It doesn't work at all, first I thought it is because I don't have the Flash player installed, but you didn't mention Flash in the first post. I don't know... I use Maxthon browser with IE6 SP2 core.

Here is how it looks:

**dj_stick** · Feb 1, 2007, 11:45 AM

Quote:

I am also going to be lookig into the possibility of a spellchecker, msotly because I suck at typing, but I'm sure you figured that out already.

i'm trying to work out whether that's intentional or not

but nice site, good work, and great pose

Zardon · Feb 1, 2007, 11:54 AM

wow, and there was me thinking you had no time on your hands at all. even for modding driver infs .......

**temeteus82** · Feb 1, 2007, 12:02 PM

works with FF2

~~DudeBoyz~~ · Feb 1, 2007, 12:43 PM

Won't load with scripting off on IE 6 on my machine.

Falstaff · Feb 1, 2007, 12:57 PM

wont come through the USAFE iron curtain..durnnnit..
will try later at home man...

pr0digal jenius · Feb 1, 2007, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_stick

i'm trying to work out whether that's intentional or not

but nice site, good work, and great pose

no. I just can't type worth a damn...as for it not working in maxthon...what version of flash player is it using...I'll try and get maxthon to try it, but, isn't maxthon the IE6 core with tabs and some other goodies added in?

And Allan...well..this is one of those things that had been getting put off so that I could do drivers, actually

she came up with the idea back in like, october or so

EDIT - seems maybe there's an issue with disabling scripting in IE6.....probably the cachebuster script that keeps your PC and the server from holding it in cache, so it reloads EVERY time to keep you from having to force-refresh to get it to show updates

OldBuzzard · Feb 1, 2007, 06:08 PM

With XP Pro x64, I see the same thing as RoyBatty if I'm using the IE7 64 bit. If I'm using the 32 bit verssion, it shows up. IE7 x64 doesn't 'do' flash.

The same thing happens here too. With IE7 x64 I don't see a LOT of adds and sig pictures.

~~DudeBoyz~~ · Feb 1, 2007, 06:28 PM

I do believe that good sites should allow you to navigate without relying on Flash or Scripting. Maybe put a "Skip Intro" link on the page or a "View HTML Version" and allow users to bypass the Flash and Scripting requirements.

It is becoming more common for companies to block the use of scripting and flash and even acrobat reader, because they are showing to be security risks.

Since they gained the ability to interact with system files outside of their limited environment, they can be manipulated.

If Flash was still a very limited "Player Only", it would simply be annoying, not a risk. Acrobat could and probably should be released in a "passive reader only" version without additional functionality.

Better to be safe than sorry.

Flash Basic - should be a passive play only item that IT departments can feel comfortable installing. All workers could be approved for such a plug-in.

Flash Standard - interactive features that only those "in need" could be approved to use. Save a lot of headaches that way.

Same for Acrobat Reader.

Just my opinion.

pr0digal jenius · Feb 1, 2007, 06:45 PM

i did flash because i enjoy it, and whether people like it or not, it's becoming common place and a "standard" if you will

Once I finish the flash version and get it polished off, I'll likely work on an AJAX version as an alternate, but I'm sure that will offend some HTML purists too....so maybe a nice WAP subdomain that has nothing but text would suit everyone best?

Anyways, the scripting disabled or x64 nto working are all noted, but not really an issue, as I'm nto runnign a business or anythign here, and if some people can't see it, I can go "TDB" and ignore it

...if I were doing a site for work or something, flash would be a "hi bandwidth alternative" to an AJAX interface, yes

~~DudeBoyz~~ · Feb 1, 2007, 07:01 PM

Hey, you asked for info about what was working and what wasn't. Just trying to help out.

pr0digal jenius · Feb 1, 2007, 07:23 PM

yup...and I appreciate it...and like I said...AJAX is something I've been meaning to learn for a while now...I'll likely port it to that once the flash version is done...first I have to finish all the modules in flash though

niceguyrichy · Feb 1, 2007, 08:21 PM

it's nice enough PJ, but 'fraid I'm real lazy when it comes to surfing, and if I can't scroll down with my mouse wheel then I can't be bothered

looks sweet though bud, and shows up purrrfect here (latest opera)

pr0digal jenius · Feb 1, 2007, 09:53 PM

scroll wheeling is actually just a line or 5 of code I forgot to add

it'l get fixed with the next update [tonight, I'm hoping]

GutterPunk · Mar 3, 2007, 08:00 PM

thats pretty cool dood

**Mousey** · Mar 8, 2007, 09:20 PM

Fantastic man , awesome work!

GutterPunk · Mar 9, 2007, 01:55 PM

I clicked Create Post for fun. I then realised I have to go type everything back in to get back to the main page. Obviously duh cuz I don't have a login, but there isn't a "return" or "main page" link. Just an idea or thought

Feb 1, 2007, 09:37 AM	#1
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	Never ask a software developer for a simple web site Well, my fiance [Hannah] saw something at work where you got a website announcing your engagement that worked ind of like a "wedding blog", and they charged like, $15 a month or so.... ...I immediately decided that was crap and was far to simplistic for my liking ...so....a month later, armed with enough PHP, mySQL, and AS2.0 to make something good [or cause IE7 to crash in spectacular fashion when typos occurred ] it's coming together nicely. http://www.hannahandjohn2008.com If this comes off as "site pimping", by all means ignore it...but well...I'm not sure how it could, since there's no ads/revenue...except the server bill that comes out of my pocket ...but if yall could check it out and let me know if it all works, I've tested it in Opera 9 & IE7, but haven't a clue what it will do in FF or Safari or anything else, nor do I know how all the dynamic elements will fare on a slow machine. Basically, let me know what yall find breaks it

Feb 1, 2007, 12:57 PM	#9
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	wont come through the USAFE iron curtain..durnnnit.. will try later at home man... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Feb 1, 2007, 06:08 PM	#11
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,781 Rep Power: 141 System Specs	With XP Pro x64, I see the same thing as RoyBatty if I'm using the IE7 64 bit. If I'm using the 32 bit verssion, it shows up. IE7 x64 doesn't 'do' flash. The same thing happens here too. With IE7 x64 I don't see a LOT of adds and sig pictures. __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

Mar 3, 2007, 08:00 PM	#18
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 70	thats pretty cool dood __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

Mar 8, 2007, 09:20 PM	#19
Mousey Synth's Long Lost Bro Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Web Design Hell Posts: 7,156 Rep Power: 244 System Specs	Fantastic man , awesome work! __________________

Feb 1, 2007, 09:50 AM	Thread Starter #3
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	she has an "avatar" if you will, once she finds out hwo to use it tomorrow, they'll be up. as for the timer...well..it pulls LOCAL system time, isntead of forcing a EST timestamp, so it's counting down to 5 PM in whatever time zone the server is in....not 5 PM EST like it should...that's a boo boo on my part for not thinkign of that until i uploaded to the server [not the sort of thign localhost testing will catch either ] PS - I miss the then/than thin 9 out of 10 times...but this time i'm gunna blame it being almsot 4am I'll fix it tomorrow

Feb 1, 2007, 11:21 AM	#4
RoyBatty HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 1,930 Rep Power: 115 System Specs	It doesn't work at all, first I thought it is because I don't have the Flash player installed, but you didn't mention Flash in the first post. I don't know... I use Maxthon browser with IE6 SP2 core. Here is how it looks:

Feb 1, 2007, 11:54 AM	#6
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 177	wow, and there was me thinking you had no time on your hands at all. even for modding driver infs .......

Feb 1, 2007, 12:43 PM	#8
~~DudeBoyz~~ banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,677 Rep Power: 0	Won't load with scripting off on IE 6 on my machine.

Feb 1, 2007, 06:28 PM	#12
~~DudeBoyz~~ banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,677 Rep Power: 0	I do believe that good sites should allow you to navigate without relying on Flash or Scripting. Maybe put a "Skip Intro" link on the page or a "View HTML Version" and allow users to bypass the Flash and Scripting requirements. It is becoming more common for companies to block the use of scripting and flash and even acrobat reader, because they are showing to be security risks. Since they gained the ability to interact with system files outside of their limited environment, they can be manipulated. If Flash was still a very limited "Player Only", it would simply be annoying, not a risk. Acrobat could and probably should be released in a "passive reader only" version without additional functionality. Better to be safe than sorry. Flash Basic - should be a passive play only item that IT departments can feel comfortable installing. All workers could be approved for such a plug-in. Flash Standard - interactive features that only those "in need" could be approved to use. Save a lot of headaches that way. Same for Acrobat Reader. Just my opinion.

Feb 1, 2007, 06:45 PM	Thread Starter #13
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	i did flash because i enjoy it, and whether people like it or not, it's becoming common place and a "standard" if you will Once I finish the flash version and get it polished off, I'll likely work on an AJAX version as an alternate, but I'm sure that will offend some HTML purists too....so maybe a nice WAP subdomain that has nothing but text would suit everyone best? Anyways, the scripting disabled or x64 nto working are all noted, but not really an issue, as I'm nto runnign a business or anythign here, and if some people can't see it, I can go "TDB" and ignore it ...if I were doing a site for work or something, flash would be a "hi bandwidth alternative" to an AJAX interface, yes

Feb 1, 2007, 07:01 PM	#14
~~DudeBoyz~~ banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,677 Rep Power: 0	Hey, you asked for info about what was working and what wasn't. Just trying to help out.

Feb 1, 2007, 07:23 PM	Thread Starter #15
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	yup...and I appreciate it...and like I said...AJAX is something I've been meaning to learn for a while now...I'll likely port it to that once the flash version is done...first I have to finish all the modules in flash though

Feb 1, 2007, 09:53 PM	Thread Starter #17
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	scroll wheeling is actually just a line or 5 of code I forgot to add it'l get fixed with the next update [tonight, I'm hoping]

Mar 9, 2007, 01:55 PM	#20
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 70	I clicked Create Post for fun. I then realised I have to go type everything back in to get back to the main page. Obviously duh cuz I don't have a login, but there isn't a "return" or "main page" link. Just an idea or thought __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt