Mozilla Firebird...so very frustrating!

reno · Oct 22, 2003, 08:58 PM

I recently re-did my website, and the CSS doesn't parse AT ALL. It used to, the only thing I changed was the graphics and some extra divs...but now it's not parsing at all.

Could someone with Firebird or any other mozilla product (it happens in any of them) give me some advice?

Please check this website

Thanks!

Malus · Oct 23, 2003, 12:15 AM

My guess would be it takes the torg.css over the thing.css. I would find a better work around for whatever IE flaw you are trying to work around.

eyeguy616 · Oct 23, 2003, 12:21 AM

What's it supposed to look like? (screenshot?)

Nevermind, I see it.... Looks (normal?) fine in Opera 7.20 though
~eyeguy616

Malus · Oct 23, 2003, 12:39 AM

Make the margins in the body zero. . . there is some horizontal scrolling action going on in IE.

reno · Oct 23, 2003, 02:38 AM

what resolution are you in malus, I'm not noticing any scrolling problems in IE6 from 800x600 to 1240x1024?

Took out the torg reference, still nothing. It looks like it isn't even parsing the CSS file...I'm going to try writting the style directly into the site...maybe that will be what I have to do...

Fixed the big blackness problem at the bottom, I think.

BTW, Thanks for the help guys, and thanks for letting me know it looks fine on opera!

HsuGotaQ · Oct 23, 2003, 02:44 AM

The two top background images are piled one over the other as well as the text using Firebird 0.7. Only the bottom two images seem to appear correctly on the page (when based on the results under IE 6).

Chaos · Oct 23, 2003, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HsuGotaQ
The two top background images are piled one over the other as well as the text using Firebird 0.7. Only the bottom two images seem to appear correctly on the page (when based on the results under IE 6).

I second that with Firebird 0.7

Malus · Oct 23, 2003, 04:31 AM

1024x768

HsuGotaQ · Oct 23, 2003, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Malus
1024x768

1024x768??

Euh... I've tested under 1280x1024 as well. Is that a valid answer? or Was that a question? Me lost.

Malus · Oct 23, 2003, 04:51 AM

You mean you changed torg.css to thing.css, right? You didn't remove the link tag, did you?

Malus · Oct 23, 2003, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HsuGotaQ
1024x768??

Euh... I've tested under 1280x1024 as well. Is that a valid answer? or Was that a question? Me lost.

It's like a 2px horizontal scroll. Probably just some minor problem with the code. I guess my PC is special.

reno · Oct 23, 2003, 04:57 AM

okay, ironically...fixed mozilla (silly me, forgot a closing bracket) and now i'm trying to fix the top and bottom images along with fixing the left and right menus into position (so only the content div scrolls...looks neato in mozilla)...but IE took a dump on that.

As for the scrolling, I see it in mozilla, but not IE at any resolution, I did fix the bottom so it's always at the bottom, but I want it to be static too...so I just took the page offline temporarily.

Does anyone know a good solution for fixing positioned elements in IE6? My main problem is the z stacking isn't occuring like it is in mozilla, very, very odd. As soon as I add a zstack value IE craps up, but mozilla runs great. Remove, IE works great, mozilla doesn't display right.

ARGH! This was all so simple in my head!

HsuGotaQ · Oct 23, 2003, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by reno
ARGH! This was all so simple in my head!

Hehehe... Welcome to browser limitation heaven or is that hell... mwahahahaha

Might I suggest you pass your website under the W3C.org HTML Validator. It will be very annoying to see so many errors at first when you use this web app (most are just too strict use of "good coding" rules), but I comes in handy when you have a real annoying bug, like the one you have. Hopefully it might help u out

Oh I really like the new page layout " just wait... ". It's so geeky

(jk)

MALUS : Yes... your PC is V-E-R-Y special

Malus · Oct 23, 2003, 05:06 AM

Uhhhhh. . . post the code. It's impossible to troubleshoot code if no one can see it.

reno · Oct 23, 2003, 05:15 AM

sorry guys, I'm a dolt.

IE doesn't support fixed and treats it as "static" which blows, but I worked around it using 'body>#blork {position:fixed;}' style cheats. That way, mozilla will see the fixed and treat it the way I want (good) and IE will fall back on it's stupid ass and use STUPID absolute positioning (bad).

I neve thought I'd see the day where a Mozilla based browser made me happy...dear God, next I'll be an espresso junkie!

Sorry about the non-codingness. It's back, I need a miracle way to force the bottom...to the bottom. Stupid IE stupid letting me down!

HsuGotaQ · Oct 23, 2003, 05:30 AM

Another note.

It's about the corner images. It seems as if the color black (yep #000000) isn't really black black, but semi-black ( #010101 ). So us softer screen dudes can see the edges of the images. Nothing major, just a simple thing.

Oh and just to say that your sites really looks sweet with Firebird 0.7 @ 1280x1024 and 1600x1200 (the fonts are a bit small, but thats normal at high resolutions).

I really dig the layout mate. I looks sharp!

reno · Oct 23, 2003, 05:34 AM

Thanks man, it needed a makeover desperately!

BTW, holy shit, I had to crank my brightness (on a trinitron!) to 90% to see that, but you're damn right, and it shall be rectified momentarily.

Again, guys, thanks!

DesolateThought · Oct 23, 2003, 05:38 AM

Not sure why exactly, but earlier today while I was looking around on the board and found a link to your site, upon clicking one of the links my comp froze up. Min or two later, it recovers with at least 30 IE6 windows opened, with more trying to. Not sure what happened, or if it got into a loop, but it just kept opening until I powered down the comp. Browser error with IE(6)?

caqde · Oct 23, 2003, 05:58 AM

hmm on IE6 I see a vertical scroll bar at 1024x768 and in Mozilla Firebird 0.7 and Mozilla Nigthtly Build 9/17/03 I see Quotation mark's ' " ' before and after the side bars, but otherwise Nice page. I wonder if Malus meant Vertical (up and down) instead of Horizontal (left and right).

Quote:

I neve thought I'd see the day where a Mozilla based browser made me happy...dear God, next I'll be an espresso junkie!

Hey Mozilla is great and it gets better every day. Much quicker than IE because of the massive amounts of community input. Kind of like the input you get from here. And you just have to love no popups and Active X installations(Gater etc.) taking place.

reno · Oct 23, 2003, 06:00 AM

Hmm...that is strange, I dunno. Server could have been having some weird problems.

Well, I've optimised the site for 800x600 to 1280x1024 in IE5-6 (although, I took out some of the patches for IE5, but may not need them anyway). Mozilla should work at any resolution now, and will look better than IE6 until it supports fixed positioning. Sigh...images were corrected...css was tightened up...I think I'm pretty much done then. I will desperately try to find a way to make my damn bottom stay at the true bottom without image filler hacks...bah...I'm still looking for a way to get those two bottom images out of dreaded tables...but I'm tired and so very, very cold...

Anyway, that should do it for me tonite...time to retire to my bedchamber. Fare thee well, and thanks everyone for the help and support! I appreciate that at least 5 people took interest in my isolated corner of the internet

and you guys really helped point out stuff that I hadn't even checked for, I'm in thy debt!

Until next time...

P.S. I don't know what the hell those quotes are doing there either! And the scrolling is inevitable in IE6...only way to keep the bottom more or less aligned to the bottom of the browser at higher resolutions...sigh...

Malus · Oct 23, 2003, 06:47 AM

{position: absolute; bottom: 0px; left 0px;}

{position: absolute; bottom: 0px; right: 0px;}

Wouldn't that position your two images on the bottom?

And when I said horizontal scroll, I meant it. It definitely horizontal scrolled in IE. Unfortuneately, I didn't take a screenshot to illustrate the effect. Now it seems to be working properly (well, horizontal scroll-wise at least).

reno · Oct 23, 2003, 09:07 PM

See, that's the problem, technically it *should* align them with the bottom (and does in Mozilla) but with absolute positioning in IE6 it just poops them to the bottom of the browser window, not the page...causing them to be in the middle of longer pages...I'll fart around a bit later tonight and try and fix it, yeah, the scrolling was due to a bad position, should be fixed.

Malus · Oct 24, 2003, 06:08 AM

The scrolling did exist! Take that, naysayers!

IE does a lot of things wrong. There is probably a way around it, but I couldn't tell you unless I knew your design like the back of my hand.

Oct 22, 2003, 08:58 PM	#1
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	Mozilla Firebird...so very frustrating! I recently re-did my website, and the CSS doesn't parse AT ALL. It used to, the only thing I changed was the graphics and some extra divs...but now it's not parsing at all. Could someone with Firebird or any other mozilla product (it happens in any of them) give me some advice? Please check this website Thanks!

Oct 23, 2003, 12:15 AM	#2
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	My guess would be it takes the torg.css over the thing.css. I would find a better work around for whatever IE flaw you are trying to work around. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Oct 23, 2003, 12:39 AM	#4
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	Make the margins in the body zero. . . there is some horizontal scrolling action going on in IE. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Oct 23, 2003, 02:38 AM	Thread Starter #5
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	sdf what resolution are you in malus, I'm not noticing any scrolling problems in IE6 from 800x600 to 1240x1024? Took out the torg reference, still nothing. It looks like it isn't even parsing the CSS file...I'm going to try writting the style directly into the site...maybe that will be what I have to do... Fixed the big blackness problem at the bottom, I think. BTW, Thanks for the help guys, and thanks for letting me know it looks fine on opera!

Oct 23, 2003, 04:31 AM	#8
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	1024x768 __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Oct 23, 2003, 12:21 AM	#3
eyeguy616 ZZzzzzzzzzzz........... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 324 Rep Power: 0	What's it supposed to look like? (screenshot?) Nevermind, I see it.... Looks (normal?) fine in Opera 7.20 though ~eyeguy616

Oct 23, 2003, 02:44 AM	#6
HsuGotaQ Hydrogenated Dumbass Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canuckland Posts: 755 Rep Power: 0	The two top background images are piled one over the other as well as the text using Firebird 0.7. Only the bottom two images seem to appear correctly on the page (when based on the results under IE 6).

Oct 23, 2003, 04:51 AM	#10
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	You mean you changed torg.css to thing.css, right? You didn't remove the link tag, did you? __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Oct 23, 2003, 04:57 AM	Thread Starter #12
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	fsdge okay, ironically...fixed mozilla (silly me, forgot a closing bracket) and now i'm trying to fix the top and bottom images along with fixing the left and right menus into position (so only the content div scrolls...looks neato in mozilla)...but IE took a dump on that. As for the scrolling, I see it in mozilla, but not IE at any resolution, I did fix the bottom so it's always at the bottom, but I want it to be static too...so I just took the page offline temporarily. Does anyone know a good solution for fixing positioned elements in IE6? My main problem is the z stacking isn't occuring like it is in mozilla, very, very odd. As soon as I add a zstack value IE craps up, but mozilla runs great. Remove, IE works great, mozilla doesn't display right. ARGH! This was all so simple in my head!

Oct 23, 2003, 05:06 AM	#14
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	Uhhhhh. . . post the code. It's impossible to troubleshoot code if no one can see it. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Oct 23, 2003, 05:15 AM	Thread Starter #15
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	sdfs sorry guys, I'm a dolt. IE doesn't support fixed and treats it as "static" which blows, but I worked around it using 'body>#blork {position:fixed;}' style cheats. That way, mozilla will see the fixed and treat it the way I want (good) and IE will fall back on it's stupid ass and use STUPID absolute positioning (bad). I neve thought I'd see the day where a Mozilla based browser made me happy...dear God, next I'll be an espresso junkie! Sorry about the non-codingness. It's back, I need a miracle way to force the bottom...to the bottom. Stupid IE stupid letting me down!

Oct 23, 2003, 05:30 AM	#16
HsuGotaQ Hydrogenated Dumbass Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canuckland Posts: 755 Rep Power: 0	Another note. It's about the corner images. It seems as if the color black (yep #000000) isn't really black black, but semi-black ( #010101 ). So us softer screen dudes can see the edges of the images. Nothing major, just a simple thing. Oh and just to say that your sites really looks sweet with Firebird 0.7 @ 1280x1024 and 1600x1200 (the fonts are a bit small, but thats normal at high resolutions). I really dig the layout mate. I looks sharp!

Oct 23, 2003, 05:34 AM	Thread Starter #17
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	gtgjt Thanks man, it needed a makeover desperately! BTW, holy shit, I had to crank my brightness (on a trinitron!) to 90% to see that, but you're damn right, and it shall be rectified momentarily. Again, guys, thanks!

Oct 23, 2003, 05:38 AM	#18
DesolateThought DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Not sure why exactly, but earlier today while I was looking around on the board and found a link to your site, upon clicking one of the links my comp froze up. Min or two later, it recovers with at least 30 IE6 windows opened, with more trying to. Not sure what happened, or if it got into a loop, but it just kept opening until I powered down the comp. Browser error with IE(6)?

Oct 23, 2003, 06:00 AM	Thread Starter #20
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	vsvs Hmm...that is strange, I dunno. Server could have been having some weird problems. Well, I've optimised the site for 800x600 to 1280x1024 in IE5-6 (although, I took out some of the patches for IE5, but may not need them anyway). Mozilla should work at any resolution now, and will look better than IE6 until it supports fixed positioning. Sigh...images were corrected...css was tightened up...I think I'm pretty much done then. I will desperately try to find a way to make my damn bottom stay at the true bottom without image filler hacks...bah...I'm still looking for a way to get those two bottom images out of dreaded tables...but I'm tired and so very, very cold... Anyway, that should do it for me tonite...time to retire to my bedchamber. Fare thee well, and thanks everyone for the help and support! I appreciate that at least 5 people took interest in my isolated corner of the internet and you guys really helped point out stuff that I hadn't even checked for, I'm in thy debt! Until next time... P.S. I don't know what the hell those quotes are doing there either! And the scrolling is inevitable in IE6...only way to keep the bottom more or less aligned to the bottom of the browser at higher resolutions...sigh...

Oct 23, 2003, 06:47 AM	#21
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	{position: absolute; bottom: 0px; left 0px;} {position: absolute; bottom: 0px; right: 0px;} Wouldn't that position your two images on the bottom? And when I said horizontal scroll, I meant it. It definitely horizontal scrolled in IE. Unfortuneately, I didn't take a screenshot to illustrate the effect. Now it seems to be working properly (well, horizontal scroll-wise at least). __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Oct 23, 2003, 09:07 PM	Thread Starter #22
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	cvbc See, that's the problem, technically it should align them with the bottom (and does in Mozilla) but with absolute positioning in IE6 it just poops them to the bottom of the browser window, not the page...causing them to be in the middle of longer pages...I'll fart around a bit later tonight and try and fix it, yeah, the scrolling was due to a bad position, should be fixed.

Oct 24, 2003, 06:08 AM	#23
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	The scrolling did exist! Take that, naysayers! IE does a lot of things wrong. There is probably a way around it, but I couldn't tell you unless I knew your design like the back of my hand. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10