new layout...

tastyweat · Nov 4, 2003, 06:27 PM

What do you think?

http://www.jonmacrae.com

wertret · Nov 4, 2003, 09:07 PM

I like very much the concept but i think you could make some nice buttons for the left frame links..

tastyweat · Nov 4, 2003, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wertret
I like very much the concept but i think you could make some nice buttons for the left frame links..

That's the exact thing I am working on to be uploaded next

Skull · Nov 4, 2003, 10:21 PM

Well to be honest I dont really think alot of it. its not that its executed poorly or anything, its just very spartan/empty and I dont care for the choice of fonts you are using. Ive seen some of your work here and you could do alot better.

Then again you say its not finished so im sure you are already working on it.

My best advice to you would be to aim for a more tech feel and perhaps lose the white and greys -- pure whites have been proven to be an eye strain to readers (corporate research figures), dump the times font experiment with CSS. put a little more space between the header graphic and the --- reviews - news forums nav bar section, work some nice artwork into buttons (smaller text for top nav bar its too large atm).

Im actually surprised alot more people dont experiment with layers rather than the much overused frames/tables, its alot more versatile even if it does have drawbacks.

Dont be offended by my comments, I am always honest and as I said, ive seen some of your work here and you could make it alot more professional....

tastyweat · Nov 4, 2003, 10:35 PM

I appreciate your comments - I always appreciate honesty and contructive criticism.

As I said I am working on it - the reason it is so basic at the moment is because I am VERY new to html code/frames etc.. only started even thinking about it 3/4 weeks ago.

I'm getting there and will get there eventually - especially if I get comments like yours along the way.

Thank you

and layers - never thought about using them - i'll have a mess around when I have some free time

Skull · Nov 4, 2003, 10:37 PM

cool, let us know when you update it, id like to see what you come up with. im sure your buddy wertret could throw some ideas your way. You seem to work well together.

Judas · Nov 5, 2003, 12:46 AM

.....skull...check my sight out...it's way terrible.....

Skull · Nov 5, 2003, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by Judas
.....skull...check my sight out...it's way terrible.....

lol, nice introduction to your site "hey man its crap but take a look".

I dont think its crap, there is content on it, but why is everyone using a plain white background with the default times typeface?? you dudes are the creative guys on DH right?!

~~Sourcer_2002~~ · Nov 5, 2003, 01:38 PM

hmmm let see here is mine www.xtrateck.com and there is nothing there!!!! I need to get my ass in gear and do some work on it.

And Tasty apart from everything that Skull said a a forum theme to match your site would be a good idea, also you can incorprate some kick ass fonts into the site, ill post the new of the program that lets you use fonts you download in your site when i get home.

Judas · Nov 5, 2003, 02:27 PM

....i haven't touch the site much....just updated it a little here and there.... i'm bound by the law os MS's Front Page Express...... as well... that isn't white..or your eyes would be bleeding....

.... I did a few different color schemes when i first posted it.... they said that the slightly whitish backgournd with the blueish font... worked best... looked sharp.... but most of those images are WAY old....

Jeff · Nov 7, 2003, 02:13 AM

Moved to Web Design Forum.

UberLord · Nov 7, 2003, 10:26 AM

Frames - arrrgggghhhhhhhh!!!!!

DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE

That out of the way, change the white background to something a little easier on the old eye balls.

The first thing about coding web pages is that when you're trying to get "that look and feel" that you're obviously going for then you'll need to go outside the bounds of static HTML.

This is where you need to either use Server Side Inlcudes (very easy way) or a scripting language (PHP, ASP, etc). This allows you to have the low maintainance of menus, headers, etc whilst avoiding frames and the problems apparent.

For a quick demo, goto my homepage
http://rsm.demon.co.uk/~roy

I've got a header script, menu script and footer script which all get called by each page. So I just change the menu once and it's changed all over.

IE users may notice several problems with my site - tough. It's standards based (works fine in Mozilla, NetScape 6.x and Opera)

Malus · Nov 8, 2003, 05:15 AM

Well, there seems to be a lack of color and the design could use some more work. Seems to be too much whitespace everywhere and the greys don't really break up the monotony too much.

Nov 4, 2003, 06:27 PM	#1
tastyweat Lurking Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The void Posts: 4,794 Rep Power: 75 System Specs	new layout... What do you think? http://www.jonmacrae.com __________________

Nov 4, 2003, 09:07 PM	#2
wertret Still watching... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Orihuela (Spain) Posts: 1,560 Rep Power: 0	I like very much the concept but i think you could make some nice buttons for the left frame links.. __________________ "They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night."

Nov 4, 2003, 10:21 PM	#4
Skull Boney Admin Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 659 Rep Power: 59	Well to be honest I dont really think alot of it. its not that its executed poorly or anything, its just very spartan/empty and I dont care for the choice of fonts you are using. Ive seen some of your work here and you could do alot better. Then again you say its not finished so im sure you are already working on it. My best advice to you would be to aim for a more tech feel and perhaps lose the white and greys -- pure whites have been proven to be an eye strain to readers (corporate research figures), dump the times font experiment with CSS. put a little more space between the header graphic and the --- reviews - news forums nav bar section, work some nice artwork into buttons (smaller text for top nav bar its too large atm). Im actually surprised alot more people dont experiment with layers rather than the much overused frames/tables, its alot more versatile even if it does have drawbacks. Dont be offended by my comments, I am always honest and as I said, ive seen some of your work here and you could make it alot more professional.... __________________ How you can help DriverHeaven by using Digg!

Nov 4, 2003, 10:35 PM	Thread Starter #5
tastyweat Lurking Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The void Posts: 4,794 Rep Power: 75 System Specs	I appreciate your comments - I always appreciate honesty and contructive criticism. As I said I am working on it - the reason it is so basic at the moment is because I am VERY new to html code/frames etc.. only started even thinking about it 3/4 weeks ago. I'm getting there and will get there eventually - especially if I get comments like yours along the way. Thank you and layers - never thought about using them - i'll have a mess around when I have some free time __________________

Nov 4, 2003, 10:37 PM	#6
Skull Boney Admin Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 659 Rep Power: 59	cool, let us know when you update it, id like to see what you come up with. im sure your buddy wertret could throw some ideas your way. You seem to work well together. __________________ How you can help DriverHeaven by using Digg!

Nov 5, 2003, 01:38 PM	#9
~~Sourcer_2002~~ BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indiana , USA Posts: 2,677 Rep Power: 0	hmmm let see here is mine www.xtrateck.com and there is nothing there!!!! I need to get my ass in gear and do some work on it. And Tasty apart from everything that Skull said a a forum theme to match your site would be a good idea, also you can incorprate some kick ass fonts into the site, ill post the new of the program that lets you use fonts you download in your site when i get home.

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Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,191 Rep Power: 80	Moved to Web Design Forum. __________________

Nov 7, 2003, 10:26 AM	#12
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	Frames - arrrgggghhhhhhhh!!!!! DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE That out of the way, change the white background to something a little easier on the old eye balls. The first thing about coding web pages is that when you're trying to get "that look and feel" that you're obviously going for then you'll need to go outside the bounds of static HTML. This is where you need to either use Server Side Inlcudes (very easy way) or a scripting language (PHP, ASP, etc). This allows you to have the low maintainance of menus, headers, etc whilst avoiding frames and the problems apparent. For a quick demo, goto my homepage http://rsm.demon.co.uk/~roy I've got a header script, menu script and footer script which all get called by each page. So I just change the menu once and it's changed all over. IE users may notice several problems with my site - tough. It's standards based (works fine in Mozilla, NetScape 6.x and Opera) __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Nov 8, 2003, 05:15 AM	#13
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	Well, there seems to be a lack of color and the design could use some more work. Seems to be too much whitespace everywhere and the greys don't really break up the monotony too much. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10