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gapman · Aug 3, 2002, 06:12 AM

Guys take a look and tell me what you think please.

-gapman

UberLord · Aug 3, 2002, 06:23 AM

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Originally posted by gapman
Your screen resolution HAS to be at least 1024x768 or higher. Nothing looks good on an 800x600 these days.

Aside from Camereon Diaz - she looks good 640x480

UberLord · Aug 3, 2002, 06:36 AM

ARRRGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

Tables are bad - use CSS

Excess javascript is bad - don't use it. I only use javascript do achieve window scrolling because IE doesn't support a bit of HTML that Mozilla does

I assume that it is under construction as I see loads of black boxes

Because of your silly javascript menu, it takes ages to scroll in Mozilla
Instead, code using CSS placement such as position: fixed; overflow: auto and you get a scrolling box! Doesn't work under IE? use position: absolute; overflow: auto and use javascript to resize the box to the window size as a work around.
This works much better under Mozilla, with little speed penalty under IE as IE's javascript is much faster than Mozillas
And I can't get it to work under Opera - but hey

Just opened it in IE. OK - you need to use web safe colours to get the transparency effect to work under Mozilla. I'm not actually sure that Mozilla can do that actually - but u never know.

Dude - u changed my cursor! Nice touch - but very bad UI! Users don't like this kinda thing as it makes them think they've h@x0red their box and changed the mouse pointer for real.

Ditto scroll bar - and black on black is hard to read on the scroll bar anyway!

On the plus side, you're using PHP (cool - I use it too) and the colour scheme is pleasing on the eye except the scroll bar and the non-trasnparency under Mozilla.

Keep it up!

iceboy · Aug 3, 2002, 09:45 AM

I like the layout.. but the background color and Tables color don't match well.
Maybe you can make the whole site not so squarish..

~~Sourcer_2002~~ · Aug 3, 2002, 10:05 AM

Ya i would have to agree on the on table thing and the color theme is good but i would change the back ground color to smothin else. I like the icons to and the virus info. Get ya some thigh downloads and some contene in there and it wont be half bad. Good job

let us know when its done.

~~Sourcer_2002~~ · Aug 3, 2002, 10:08 AM

Try and put some color to your smiles too maybe make them the background color it would (in my opinon) look better.

Jeff · Aug 3, 2002, 10:28 AM

I am going to assume you wrote all the stuff yourself and point you to the http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...webdesign.com/ W3C validator...sometimes it has really stupid comments, and I wouldn't recommend running it on this site... But any of my sites completely designed by myself are all validated with no errors or warnings. Its just something to do to help make sure it looks good in all browsers. Sometimes it will still miss things, well I am sure you know all this, so I'll shut up now.

gapman · Aug 5, 2002, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by UberLord
ARRRGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

Tables are bad - use CSS

I already am using css. <LINK REL="StyleSheet" HREF="style.css" TYPE="text/css">

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Excess javascript is bad - don't use it. I only use javascript do achieve window scrolling because IE doesn't support a bit of HTML that Mozilla does

I really am not even using that much Javascript.

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I assume that it is under construction as I see loads of black boxes

Yes I just put it together this past Thursday.

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Because of your silly javascript menu, it takes ages to scroll in Mozilla
Instead, code using CSS placement such as position: fixed; overflow: auto and you get a scrolling box! Doesn't work under IE? use position: absolute; overflow: auto and use javascript to resize the box to the window size as a work around.
This works much better under Mozilla, with little speed penalty under IE as IE's javascript is much faster than Mozillas
And I can't get it to work under Opera - but hey

The only Javascript I am using in the menus are for the links to fade in and out.

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Just opened it in IE. OK - you need to use web safe colours to get the transparency effect to work under Mozilla. I'm not actually sure that Mozilla can do that actually - but u never know.

What do you call web safe colors?

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Dude - u changed my cursor! Nice touch - but very bad UI! Users don't like this kinda thing as it makes them think they've h@x0red their box and changed the mouse pointer for real.

You are the first person I have ever heard that from....

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Ditto scroll bar - and black on black is hard to read on the scroll bar anyway!

Where is there anything to read on a scroll bar?

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On the plus side, you're using PHP (cool - I use it too) and the colour scheme is pleasing on the eye except the scroll bar and the non-trasnparency under Mozilla.

Keep it up!

That's cool yeah I hadn't really tested yet due to the fact that I just threw it together last Thursday.

Thanks.

-gapman

~~Sourcer_2002~~ · Aug 5, 2002, 03:30 PM

Last i heard you said u were going to guite but if you wanna change you scrool bar color.

put these in the asymlt;headasymgt; asymlt;/headasymgt;

asymlt;styleasymgt;
body {
scrollbar-base-color:Blue;
scrollbar-face-color:Red;
scrollbar-arrow-color:blue;
scrollbar-shadow-color:lime;
scrollbar-track-color:black;
scrollbar-highlight-color

urple;
scrollbar-darkshadow-Color:steelblue;
}
asymlt;/styleasymgt;

UberLord · Aug 6, 2002, 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by gapman
I already am using css. <LINK REL="StyleSheet" HREF="style.css" TYPE="text/css">

I meant CSS for layout -ie don't use tables use DIV placeholders

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I really am not even using that much Javascript.

Better not to use it at all - a lot of users disable it due to security concerns

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The only Javascript I am using in the menus are for the links to fade in and out.

There's a fair bit more going on there - I checked

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What do you call web safe colors?

http://adultchamber.com/members/colors.htm

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Where is there anything to read on a scroll bar?

I was refering to the scroll buttons and box

gapman · Aug 6, 2002, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sourcer_2002
Last i heard you said u were going to guite but if you wanna change you scrool bar color.

put these in the asymlt;headasymgt; asymlt;/headasymgt;

asymlt;styleasymgt;
// body {
// scrollbar-base-color:Blue;
// scrollbar-face-color:Red;
// scrollbar-arrow-color:blue;
// scrollbar-shadow-color:lime;
// scrollbar-track-color:black;
// scrollbar-highlight-color: purple;
// scrollbar-darkshadow-Color:steelblue;
// }
asymlt;/styleasymgt;

I am already doing this......

I do it in the .css file.

asymlt;styleasymgt;
// body {
// scrollbar-base-color: #404040;
// scrollbar-track-color: #404040;
// scrollbar-face-color: #404040;
// scrollbar-highlight-color: dimgray;
// scrollbar-3dlight-color: dimgray;
// scrollbar-darkshadow-color: dimgray;
// scrollbar-shadow-color: dimgray;
// scrollbar-arrow-color: #279CFF;
// }
asymlt;/styleasymgt;

Except the "//" are taken out.

-gapman

HsuGotaQ · Aug 6, 2002, 05:32 PM

I like the site man, a bit cluttered, but still very good

. The colors might need some modification however. I've got a question. Is it normal to see many empty posts on your site?

~~Sourcer_2002~~ · Aug 6, 2002, 08:15 PM

As far as i know hes still workin on it but i read that he was stoping!

~~Sourcer_2002~~ · Aug 6, 2002, 08:21 PM

I take that back he got some content in and it looks a lot better!

good job

HsuGotaQ · Aug 7, 2002, 02:45 AM

Oh, my bad! Your colors do look actually very nice (only in IE because thats the only browser that properly does the alphas transparencies)

gapman · Aug 7, 2002, 05:10 AM

Thanks guys, yeah I am still working on slowly but surely.....I will try to get it up fast as possible though.

I am aware of the Netscape's non-transparency effect.....I am going to come up with something to resolve this.

-gapman

gapman · Oct 15, 2002, 07:52 PM

Ok well I think I finally got it up and running, I created a new theme for it yesterday. I still need to work a few bugs out over time. Come check it out and let me know what ya'll think, it is a bit different since the last time ya'll saw it. Thanks.

gapman Web Design

gapman

Zardon · Oct 15, 2002, 08:23 PM

I think the site is quite neat and looks a professional job, good work.

personally, and this is NOT any kind of negative comment but I find sites with large amounts of white background very hard on the eyes, even with my monitor at 90-100hz. this is more a personal issue but as I said, great job and keep up the good work, alot of good content as well, which is important.

UberLord · Oct 15, 2002, 09:27 PM

Looking good. Contrary to Zardons opinion, I prefer white backgrounds

One quick comment, I'd put the DOCTYPE line as the first line outputted by your site as most browsers that use it need it there. Mozilla/Netscape deffo do as this determines what kind of "quirks" mode they use.

Also, where are the options for Linux, *BSD, BeOS, OS2, etc in your current poll? I may not use Windows orLindows. At least an option for neither would be useful

I also find it very interesting that you're now a Lindows and you've integrated MSN messenger into your page ...... I didn't know that it ran on a Linux based OS .....

gapman · Oct 15, 2002, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
I think the site is quite neat and looks a professional job, good work.

personally, and this is NOT any kind of negative comment but I find sites with large amounts of white background very hard on the eyes, even with my monitor at 90-100hz. this is more a personal issue but as I said, great job and keep up the good work, alot of good content as well, which is important.

Thanks, I will think about the background.

Quote:

Originally posted by UberLord
Looking good. Contrary to Zardons opinion, I prefer white backgrounds

One quick comment, I'd put the DOCTYPE line as the first line outputted by your site as most browsers that use it need it there. Mozilla/Netscape deffo do as this determines what kind of "quirks" mode they use.

Also, where are the options for Linux, *BSD, BeOS, OS2, etc in your current poll? I may not use Windows orLindows. At least an option for neither would be useful

I also find it very interesting that you're now a Lindows and you've integrated MSN messenger into your page ...... I didn't know that it ran on a Linux based OS .....

Ok I put the DOCTYPE line as the first line outputted. Thanks for picking that up!

I fixed the poll I think, let me know if it is ok now.

What if some people are dual booting and they just happen to be viewing the site on their windows boot.

gapman

UberLord · Oct 15, 2002, 10:13 PM

Cool - the doctype line is very important.

Now, I'd see about changing the output to xHTML 1.1
Doing this now will save loads of time - assuming that the site's still around in a few years

You don't actually need to do this, but I personally think that W3C standards and recommendations are there to be followed.

gapman · Oct 15, 2002, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by UberLord
Cool - the doctype line is very important.

Now, I'd see about changing the output to xHTML 1.1
Doing this now will save loads of time - assuming that the site's still around in a few years

You don't actually need to do this, but I personally think that W3C standards and recommendations are there to be followed.

Ok I did it, thanks!

Agreed.

gapman

UberLord · Oct 15, 2002, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gapman
Ok I did it, thanks!

Agreed.

Now we see the importance of the DOCTYPE line placing

Try viewing it in Mozilla now - it's bolloxed!

As a test, remove the DOCTYPE line and review it again in Mozilla. Coo - it's normal again!

Here's your site run through the HTML validator with your DOCTYPE set to xHTML 1.1
It's not pretty.

Your call if you want to use xHTML 1.1 or not ......

gapman · Oct 15, 2002, 10:42 PM

I changed it back, it was messing up my CSS.

How come you are using it, any reason?

gapman

UberLord · Oct 15, 2002, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gapman
How come you are using it, any reason?

The xHTML 1.1 standard enforces strict adherance to the standard. This basically removes all sloppiness and non-standard features.

This means that if a browser supports xHTML 1.1 then it will render every xHTML 1.1 document exactly the same as a rivals xHTML 1.1 compliant browser. This is a good thing, as NetScape, IE and others added their own extensions to the HTML standard years ago and really caused web designers a headache. xHTML 1.1 is the first step to solving this dilema.

IE 6.x doesn't explicitly support xHTML 1.1 for this very reason

It will still render it correctly however.....

Jeff · Oct 15, 2002, 11:22 PM

Also: there are some good MSN Programs for Linux, specifically aMSN, which is almost a complete replica of MSN for Windows.

UberLord · Oct 15, 2002, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyborg
Also: there are some good MSN Programs for Linux, specifically aMSN, which is almost a complete replica of MSN for Windows.

Yeah, but do they integrate into a web browser? That was my point, not the availabilty of MSN on linux

Jeff · Oct 15, 2002, 11:29 PM

Oh OK, i misunderstood, i dont know if aMSN does or not... probably not, i should give it a shot.

UberLord · Oct 15, 2002, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyborg
Oh OK, i misunderstood, i dont know if aMSN does or not... probably not, i should give it a shot.

I'd be very interested to see if this could be done.
But I'm 99% sure that this cannot be done unless it's a Java based client

Jeff · Oct 15, 2002, 11:37 PM

You are most likely right.

Aug 3, 2002, 06:12 AM	#1
gapman DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	Starting New Site Guys take a look and tell me what you think please. -gapman

Aug 3, 2002, 06:36 AM	#3
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	ARRRGGHHHHHHHHHHHH Tables are bad - use CSS Excess javascript is bad - don't use it. I only use javascript do achieve window scrolling because IE doesn't support a bit of HTML that Mozilla does I assume that it is under construction as I see loads of black boxes Because of your silly javascript menu, it takes ages to scroll in Mozilla Instead, code using CSS placement such as position: fixed; overflow: auto and you get a scrolling box! Doesn't work under IE? use position: absolute; overflow: auto and use javascript to resize the box to the window size as a work around. This works much better under Mozilla, with little speed penalty under IE as IE's javascript is much faster than Mozillas And I can't get it to work under Opera - but hey Just opened it in IE. OK - you need to use web safe colours to get the transparency effect to work under Mozilla. I'm not actually sure that Mozilla can do that actually - but u never know. Dude - u changed my cursor! Nice touch - but very bad UI! Users don't like this kinda thing as it makes them think they've h@x0red their box and changed the mouse pointer for real. Ditto scroll bar - and black on black is hard to read on the scroll bar anyway! On the plus side, you're using PHP (cool - I use it too) and the colour scheme is pleasing on the eye except the scroll bar and the non-trasnparency under Mozilla. Keep it up! __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Aug 3, 2002, 10:28 AM	#7
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,191 Rep Power: 80	I am going to assume you wrote all the stuff yourself and point you to the http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...webdesign.com/ W3C validator...sometimes it has really stupid comments, and I wouldn't recommend running it on this site... But any of my sites completely designed by myself are all validated with no errors or warnings. Its just something to do to help make sure it looks good in all browsers. Sometimes it will still miss things, well I am sure you know all this, so I'll shut up now. __________________

Aug 5, 2002, 03:30 PM	#9
~~Sourcer_2002~~ BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indiana , USA Posts: 2,677 Rep Power: 0	Last i heard you said u were going to guite but if you wanna change you scrool bar color. put these in the asymlt;headasymgt; asymlt;/headasymgt; asymlt;styleasymgt; body { scrollbar-base-color:Blue; scrollbar-face-color:Red; scrollbar-arrow-color:blue; scrollbar-shadow-color:lime; scrollbar-track-color:black; scrollbar-highlight-colorurple; scrollbar-darkshadow-Color:steelblue; } asymlt;/styleasymgt;

Aug 7, 2002, 05:10 AM	Thread Starter #16
gapman DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for all the comments/suggestions Thanks guys, yeah I am still working on slowly but surely.....I will try to get it up fast as possible though. I am aware of the Netscape's non-transparency effect.....I am going to come up with something to resolve this. -gapman

Aug 3, 2002, 09:45 AM	#4
iceboy DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SG Posts: 185 Rep Power: 0	I like the layout.. but the background color and Tables color don't match well. Maybe you can make the whole site not so squarish..

Aug 3, 2002, 10:05 AM	#5
~~Sourcer_2002~~ BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indiana , USA Posts: 2,677 Rep Power: 0	Ya i would have to agree on the on table thing and the color theme is good but i would change the back ground color to smothin else. I like the icons to and the virus info. Get ya some thigh downloads and some contene in there and it wont be half bad. Good job let us know when its done.

Aug 3, 2002, 10:08 AM	#6
~~Sourcer_2002~~ BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indiana , USA Posts: 2,677 Rep Power: 0	Try and put some color to your smiles too maybe make them the background color it would (in my opinon) look better.

Aug 6, 2002, 05:32 PM	#12
HsuGotaQ Hydrogenated Dumbass Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canuckland Posts: 755 Rep Power: 0	I like the site man, a bit cluttered, but still very good . The colors might need some modification however. I've got a question. Is it normal to see many empty posts on your site?

Aug 6, 2002, 08:15 PM	#13
~~Sourcer_2002~~ BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indiana , USA Posts: 2,677 Rep Power: 0	As far as i know hes still workin on it but i read that he was stoping!

Aug 6, 2002, 08:21 PM	#14
~~Sourcer_2002~~ BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indiana , USA Posts: 2,677 Rep Power: 0	I take that back he got some content in and it looks a lot better! good job

Aug 7, 2002, 02:45 AM	#15
HsuGotaQ Hydrogenated Dumbass Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canuckland Posts: 755 Rep Power: 0	Oh, my bad! Your colors do look actually very nice (only in IE because thats the only browser that properly does the alphas transparencies)

Oct 15, 2002, 07:52 PM	Thread Starter #17
gapman DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	Ok well I think I finally got it up and running, I created a new theme for it yesterday. I still need to work a few bugs out over time. Come check it out and let me know what ya'll think, it is a bit different since the last time ya'll saw it. Thanks. gapman Web Design gapman

Oct 15, 2002, 08:23 PM	#18
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	I think the site is quite neat and looks a professional job, good work. personally, and this is NOT any kind of negative comment but I find sites with large amounts of white background very hard on the eyes, even with my monitor at 90-100hz. this is more a personal issue but as I said, great job and keep up the good work, alot of good content as well, which is important.

Oct 15, 2002, 09:27 PM	#19
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	Looking good. Contrary to Zardons opinion, I prefer white backgrounds One quick comment, I'd put the DOCTYPE line as the first line outputted by your site as most browsers that use it need it there. Mozilla/Netscape deffo do as this determines what kind of "quirks" mode they use. Also, where are the options for Linux, BSD, BeOS, OS2, etc in your current poll? I may not use Windows orLindows. At least an option for neither would be useful I also find it very interesting that you're now a Lindows and you've integrated MSN messenger into your page ...... I didn't know that it ran on a Linux based OS ..... __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts*

Oct 15, 2002, 10:13 PM	#21
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	Cool - the doctype line is very important. Now, I'd see about changing the output to xHTML 1.1 Doing this now will save loads of time - assuming that the site's still around in a few years You don't actually need to do this, but I personally think that W3C standards and recommendations are there to be followed. __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Oct 15, 2002, 10:42 PM	Thread Starter #24
gapman DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	I changed it back, it was messing up my CSS. How come you are using it, any reason? gapman

Oct 15, 2002, 11:22 PM	#26
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,191 Rep Power: 80	Also: there are some good MSN Programs for Linux, specifically aMSN, which is almost a complete replica of MSN for Windows. __________________

Oct 15, 2002, 11:29 PM	#28
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,191 Rep Power: 80	Oh OK, i misunderstood, i dont know if aMSN does or not... probably not, i should give it a shot. __________________

Oct 15, 2002, 11:37 PM	#30
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,191 Rep Power: 80	You are most likely right. __________________