Anyone here code using XHTML Strict?

Jeff · Aug 9, 2002, 10:35 PM

Just curious? Any of you guys do it?

Malus · Aug 11, 2002, 07:19 AM

Yes.

~~Sourcer_2002~~ · Aug 11, 2002, 07:21 AM

Nope shit im still learning the basics lol

Malus · Aug 11, 2002, 11:20 AM

XHTML is just stricter coding while using CSS to make the layout.

Jeff · Aug 11, 2002, 07:47 PM

Well HTML 4.01 Strict is almost just as strict... It depends which DTD you are going to use

But strict is my preference now.

radTube · Aug 11, 2002, 08:12 PM

Currently coding in XHTML Transitional. Should I do Strict? Why? Cyborg, please share your wisdom

Malus · Aug 12, 2002, 06:32 AM

Cyborg, would you happen to know how to center layers on a page using CSS? There is the text-align attribute, but that doesn't really do what I want it to. I used to use <div align="center"></div>, but you obviously can't use HTML attributes when using XHTML strict.

Jeff · Aug 12, 2002, 08:25 AM

Are you trying to center a layer or a table? I know how to do a table, but I am not completely certain when using Layers

radTube · Aug 12, 2002, 09:08 AM

Can't you just set the right and left marigins to "auto"? I actually read that's the preferred way of doing horizontal centering in css.

Malus · Aug 12, 2002, 04:06 PM

I wanted to center layers. I tried the auto attribute, but it doesn't work.

radTube · Aug 12, 2002, 05:38 PM

CSS does use absolute values for positioning. You should be able to at least center CSS boxes by setting the left and right marigins to auto. If you're using something else as layers, well... you might need javascript or something to do the centering. And if you're talking about netscape <layers>, well, you shouldn't be

.

Jeff · Aug 12, 2002, 05:58 PM

I'll have to give centering a layer a shot.

UberLord · Aug 14, 2002, 03:57 AM

Centering layers is a bitch, because IE doesn't do it properly

Correct way using CSS
<div style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;">
Centered DIV
</div>

F*cked up way to fudge IE - which causes problems with other browsers
<div style="text-align: center;">
<div style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: left;">
Centered DIV
</div>
</div>

Not 100% sure about this, as I can't be arsed to try it out, but you get the general idea

EDIT: Updated IE bodge to stop the text from centering

UberLord · Aug 14, 2002, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyborg
Just curious? Any of you guys do it?

Oh yes.
And its all validated by http://validator.w3.org/

Basically I do this so that my stuff is future proofed quite well.
I also use some JavaScript to fudge some of IE's crappy CSS implementation.
Shame that I can't do anything about Opera's - but hey ho.

Malus · Aug 14, 2002, 07:28 AM

Wow, that trick worked. At first, I thought the auto didn't work since I didn't bother to try it under Mozilla. But with text-align and auto, it actually works under both IE and Mozilla. Thanks guys, that problem had been bugging me for a while.

Also, programming in XHTML Strict made it so I had to only change a few lines in my external CSS to fix my site.

Malus · Aug 14, 2002, 07:36 AM

Here's is the centered site in all of it's glory (well, if the link works):

http://www.texturecore.tk/
http://textures.jediknightii.net/

Jeff · Aug 14, 2002, 08:11 AM

Yes, all my stuff is validated by W3C as well.

Malus · Aug 14, 2002, 08:18 AM

I validate it all as well.

UberLord · Aug 14, 2002, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Malus
Wow, that trick worked. At first, I thought the auto didn't work since I didn't bother to try it under Mozilla. But with text-align and auto, it actually works under both IE and Mozilla. Thanks guys, that problem had been bugging me for a while.

I updated my bodge post to stop the centered DIV from centering the text as well

But you probably worked that out already

I've written a browser/platform detection script in PHP that works very well if anyones interested. I need this, because my code is 100% xHTML/CSS strict. Then, if the code detects a non-compliant browser (even Mozilla 1.0 has a few quirks) then the output is "bodged" depending on the browser/platform

This ensures that the data sent to the client is as small and reliable as possible.

Malus · Aug 14, 2002, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by UberLord
I updated my bodge post to stop the centered DIV from centering the text as well

But you probably worked that out already

I've written a browser/platform detection script in PHP that works very well if anyones interested. I need this, because my code is 100% xHTML/CSS strict. Then, if the code detects a non-compliant browser (even Mozilla 1.0 has a few quirks) then the output is "bodged" depending on the browser/platform

This ensures that the data sent to the client is as small and reliable as possible.

Yeah, I figured that out pretty quickly on my own.

I'm interested in seeing the script. I'm not really far into PHP yet, but I've always wanted to examine scripts and learn how they work.

UberLord · Aug 14, 2002, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Malus
I'm interested in seeing the script. I'm not really far into PHP yet, but I've always wanted to examine scripts and learn how they work.

I'll see if I can post it tomorrow

Aug 9, 2002, 10:35 PM	#1
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,191 Rep Power: 80	Anyone here code using XHTML Strict? Just curious? Any of you guys do it? __________________

Aug 11, 2002, 07:19 AM	#2
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	Yes. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Aug 11, 2002, 11:20 AM	#4
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	XHTML is just stricter coding while using CSS to make the layout. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Aug 11, 2002, 07:47 PM	Thread Starter #5
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,191 Rep Power: 80	Well HTML 4.01 Strict is almost just as strict... It depends which DTD you are going to use But strict is my preference now. __________________

Aug 11, 2002, 08:12 PM	#6
radTube just keepin' it cool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0	Currently coding in XHTML Transitional. Should I do Strict? Why? Cyborg, please share your wisdom __________________ [color=orange] [/color]

Aug 11, 2002, 07:21 AM	#3
~~Sourcer_2002~~ BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indiana , USA Posts: 2,677 Rep Power: 0	Nope shit im still learning the basics lol

Aug 12, 2002, 06:32 AM	#7
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	Cyborg, would you happen to know how to center layers on a page using CSS? There is the text-align attribute, but that doesn't really do what I want it to. I used to use <div align="center"></div>, but you obviously can't use HTML attributes when using XHTML strict. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Aug 12, 2002, 08:25 AM	Thread Starter #8
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,191 Rep Power: 80	Are you trying to center a layer or a table? I know how to do a table, but I am not completely certain when using Layers __________________

Aug 12, 2002, 09:08 AM	#9
radTube just keepin' it cool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0	Can't you just set the right and left marigins to "auto"? I actually read that's the preferred way of doing horizontal centering in css. __________________ [color=orange] [/color]

Aug 12, 2002, 04:06 PM	#10
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	I wanted to center layers. I tried the auto attribute, but it doesn't work. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Aug 12, 2002, 05:38 PM	#11
radTube just keepin' it cool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0	CSS does use absolute values for positioning. You should be able to at least center CSS boxes by setting the left and right marigins to auto. If you're using something else as layers, well... you might need javascript or something to do the centering. And if you're talking about netscape <layers>, well, you shouldn't be . __________________ [color=orange] [/color]

Aug 12, 2002, 05:58 PM	Thread Starter #12
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,191 Rep Power: 80	I'll have to give centering a layer a shot. __________________

Aug 14, 2002, 03:57 AM	#13
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	Centering layers is a bitch, because IE doesn't do it properly Correct way using CSS <div style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"> Centered DIV </div> Fcked up way to fudge IE - which causes problems with other browsers <div style="text-align: center;"> <div style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: left;"> Centered DIV </div> </div> Not 100% sure about this, as I can't be arsed to try it out, but you get the general idea EDIT: Updated IE bodge to stop the text from centering __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts*

Aug 14, 2002, 07:28 AM	#15
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	Wow, that trick worked. At first, I thought the auto didn't work since I didn't bother to try it under Mozilla. But with text-align and auto, it actually works under both IE and Mozilla. Thanks guys, that problem had been bugging me for a while. Also, programming in XHTML Strict made it so I had to only change a few lines in my external CSS to fix my site. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Aug 14, 2002, 07:36 AM	#16
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	Here's is the centered site in all of it's glory (well, if the link works): http://www.texturecore.tk/ http://textures.jediknightii.net/ __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Aug 14, 2002, 08:11 AM	Thread Starter #17
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,191 Rep Power: 80	Yes, all my stuff is validated by W3C as well. __________________

Aug 14, 2002, 08:18 AM	#18
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	I validate it all as well. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10