ok... i wanna program

ToshiroOC · Dec 23, 2002, 02:37 AM

Let me rephrase that - I find programming more fun than, say, being fed though a meat grinder. It is infinitely preferable to doing whatever task the program is replacing, though if I don't need to program to do something I don't - its not like I have a programming fetish (looks around nervously, avoids sporkpimp's eyes), and... ya, I do play sports. I play golf and I have a black belt in karate (I suck at both of em, but still... ya). And for the girl's pleasure area? Your sister can tell that story better than I can (kidding! kidding...)

Dalik · May 1, 2003, 12:13 AM

I would go with a stronger language with my experience here is a quick compare list

VB: Learn this language later, after the C++ or java for example. VB is ok if you want to make simple apps really fast. Database apps, or prototype applications. This is uses mainly for database and prototyping.

C/C++: I would learn these, mainly C++ but if you wanna learn C first then thats good also, these are uses for many different types of app from games to servers, to well anything else, for the most part.

Delphi: I would learn this after you learn C/C++, you would pick this up fast but there are better langauges all around.

Java: Good if your going to take what java has to offer, mainly cross platform coding, applets, and small programs. Its slow but it has good libs to work with and is very close to C++ I would learn this after c/c++.

C#: This well its only good as of right now for windows. This is good if you wanna make servers, internet apps, and lightweight software. I dont know about games but I would stick with C/C++

So depending on what you wanna program, this is a good list to go by I think.

martyr · May 1, 2003, 07:36 AM

I started off with C then VB and C++ concurrently then after that went off to Java. I would strongly suggest C as it is a very good language to start off with, once you get the hang of it you shouldn't have any problems with other languages. I personally detest VB but like Dalik said it's good for prototyping and database applications.

Dalik · May 1, 2003, 05:20 PM

C is very easy to learn but put more work into learning pointers those will piss you off.
C is really small language to learn it has like 40 keywords C++ I am not sure but at least 3x that amount.
I learnt C first then C++ and I find that was a good way to go. Learning how to program in a structured way is very good, since a lot of linux stuff is made in C so you can get a good amount of example code. C++ if you want to make visual apps or games, or have a need for OOP.

These two languages alone will keep you busy and very happy for a long time. I didnt care to much for java, I also wasnt very interested in making applets or applications because I used VB to do that. I dont bother with delphi since C/C++ has everything I need and more.

I have experience with these languages throught my programming life
c
c++
vb
java
delphi
cobol

this list is from my fav down to stuff I dont wanna use again.

Schtopper · May 1, 2003, 05:47 PM

In my opion if ya want to learn C++ don't learn C first. Seriously, its fine learning a bit of C syntax if ya want (as its mostly the same) but don't get your head fully involved in C and then switch to C++ cos it can screw with ya head as you'll start writing in C++, switch unawres to C and then end up back in C++ and wonder why the hell nothings working

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It happens to me a lot (maybe i'm jsut easily confused) thankfully i mainly write in just one language now which makes things that little less confusing.

Most C++ books/courses mention that knowing C is not always (in fact rarely) an advantage when learning C++. Not that its amazingly dificult if you do already know C but don't bother learning C as a path to learning C++.

There is a very good online C++ book that i have completely forgotten the name of. It was written online by a guy, and he asked for input as he wrote it as a result it ended up being modified several times resulting in a very good book thats had input from users just learning C++, those that have had some experience and from highly experienced users. If i remember its name i'll post back.

Dalik · May 1, 2003, 07:40 PM

I think the book was called Thinking in C++
But there are many books to read so check them out. I found the best way to learn programming is by taking a college course, something like intro to C++ then take the next level class. After that then I would move on to other languages on your own but thats me.

Private Pyle · Jul 11, 2003, 05:10 PM

I'd recommend Delphi for windows programming, and www.programmersheaven.com for source code components etc

UberLord · Jul 12, 2003, 10:20 AM

I'm closing this thread. A few posts every month is just rediculous!

Dec 23, 2002, 02:37 AM	#31
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Let me rephrase that - I find programming more fun than, say, being fed though a meat grinder. It is infinitely preferable to doing whatever task the program is replacing, though if I don't need to program to do something I don't - its not like I have a programming fetish (looks around nervously, avoids sporkpimp's eyes), and... ya, I do play sports. I play golf and I have a black belt in karate (I suck at both of em, but still... ya). And for the girl's pleasure area? Your sister can tell that story better than I can (kidding! kidding...) __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

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May 1, 2003, 12:13 AM	#32
Dalik DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Midway City, California Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	I would go with a stronger language with my experience here is a quick compare list VB: Learn this language later, after the C++ or java for example. VB is ok if you want to make simple apps really fast. Database apps, or prototype applications. This is uses mainly for database and prototyping. C/C++: I would learn these, mainly C++ but if you wanna learn C first then thats good also, these are uses for many different types of app from games to servers, to well anything else, for the most part. Delphi: I would learn this after you learn C/C++, you would pick this up fast but there are better langauges all around. Java: Good if your going to take what java has to offer, mainly cross platform coding, applets, and small programs. Its slow but it has good libs to work with and is very close to C++ I would learn this after c/c++. C#: This well its only good as of right now for windows. This is good if you wanna make servers, internet apps, and lightweight software. I dont know about games but I would stick with C/C++ So depending on what you wanna program, this is a good list to go by I think.

May 1, 2003, 07:36 AM	#33
martyr DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	I started off with C then VB and C++ concurrently then after that went off to Java. I would strongly suggest C as it is a very good language to start off with, once you get the hang of it you shouldn't have any problems with other languages. I personally detest VB but like Dalik said it's good for prototyping and database applications.

May 1, 2003, 05:20 PM	#34
Dalik DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Midway City, California Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	C is very easy to learn but put more work into learning pointers those will piss you off. C is really small language to learn it has like 40 keywords C++ I am not sure but at least 3x that amount. I learnt C first then C++ and I find that was a good way to go. Learning how to program in a structured way is very good, since a lot of linux stuff is made in C so you can get a good amount of example code. C++ if you want to make visual apps or games, or have a need for OOP. These two languages alone will keep you busy and very happy for a long time. I didnt care to much for java, I also wasnt very interested in making applets or applications because I used VB to do that. I dont bother with delphi since C/C++ has everything I need and more. I have experience with these languages throught my programming life c c++ vb java delphi cobol this list is from my fav down to stuff I dont wanna use again.

May 1, 2003, 07:40 PM	#36
Dalik DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Midway City, California Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	I think the book was called Thinking in C++ But there are many books to read so check them out. I found the best way to learn programming is by taking a college course, something like intro to C++ then take the next level class. After that then I would move on to other languages on your own but thats me.