ok... i wanna program

Nov 18, 2002, 04:52 AM

alright, i want to learn to program, and hopefully there are some good programmers on this forum that can help me... can you tell me what programs i should get and what books i should buy (or websites to goto). that'd be great. So you know... feel free!

Alistair · Nov 18, 2002, 12:33 PM

Visual Basic is a good one to start learning with. Its what I'm learning in school, its pretty simple and straight foward

UberLord · Nov 18, 2002, 02:15 PM

Depend what you want to program.

As a profession Visual Basic developer, I can safely say that although it's an easy language to learn try and avoid using it.

Instead, go with multi-platform languages such as C/C++ (fast applications), Java (slow appliations but more portable) or PHP (web scripting language).

But then it depends what you want to program - as that dictates the language

Games - C/C++
Applications - C/C++ or Java
Web - PHP

Try and avoid M$ based stuff as that locks you into the Windows platform. You can got loads of other stuff to develop for windows

Nov 18, 2002, 03:23 PM

thanks

reno · Nov 18, 2002, 05:11 PM

mmm, also invest in a lot of Rogaine, because you'll be pulling out a LOT of hair...

Nov 18, 2002, 11:03 PM

lmao

Kosti · Nov 19, 2002, 05:20 AM

So if I wanted to create a web page frontpage is not the way to go but to use PHP scripting ?

What sort of experience would you need to say create a web page like this one ?

Let me know
PEACE
Kosti

Jeff · Nov 19, 2002, 05:57 AM

Definitly learn some HTML first. You need to know HTML before starting with PHP, as PHP just outputs into HTML, which you need to write. This site runs on a modified forum software package, which wouldn't require a lot of work, but make sure you have at least basic HTML knowledge before diving into a forum package such as vBulletin or Deluxe Portal, as you'll need to make sure you aren't wasting your money. I'd say give phpBB a try (www.phpbb.com) and see if you can get it to do what you want, then maybe look into getting a forum package, or even sticking with phpBB, and if you feel you have sufficient knowledge of HTML, take up trying to code your own PHP web applications. Have any questions, dont hesitate to ask.

Nov 19, 2002, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kosti

What sort of experience would you need to say create a web page like this one ?

a lot

Kosti · Nov 19, 2002, 10:41 PM

I'll give it a go.

Is vbulletin free ?

Jeff · Nov 20, 2002, 12:13 AM

no, it is $80 1 year leased license, or $160 up front, plus $30 per year for upgrades.

reno · Nov 20, 2002, 02:31 AM

phpBB seems to be treating me nice, plus it's free (and if you know a little bit of coding, you can completely change anything you want!)

php based websites aren't THAT hard to program...simple pages that is...if you know HTML fairly well, find a good PHP resource and stuff and if you know how the mechanics of internet coding goes...you might be able to figure it out decently.

But to program a site such as this would require considerable time investment, hence why this site uses a modified version of an already existing forum.

Jeff · Nov 20, 2002, 02:34 AM

Well.... I plan to start a site using Forum-X if i ever get it finished....

Nov 20, 2002, 04:26 AM

i could use a good compiler if anyone knows of one

Jeff · Nov 20, 2002, 04:55 AM

I've got Visual C++

Kosti · Nov 20, 2002, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reno
phpBB seems to be treating me nice, plus it's free (and if you know a little bit of coding, you can completely change anything you want!)

php based websites aren't THAT hard to program...simple pages that is...if you know HTML fairly well, find a good PHP resource and stuff and if you know how the mechanics of internet coding goes...you might be able to figure it out decently.

But to program a site such as this would require considerable time investment, hence why this site uses a modified version of an already existing forum.

Well it would give me something to do on night shift

As for Cyborgs Forum-X lets see how it goes and maybe you'll ofer it at a good $$$$

Peace
Kosti

Jeff · Nov 20, 2002, 03:30 PM

Forum-X is expected to sell for about $15.

Jeff · Nov 20, 2002, 03:30 PM

but dont expect a final version before march

Malus · Nov 20, 2002, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyborg
I've got Visual C++

I believe he said a good compiler.

There aren't really any great Windows compilers. *nix, on the other hand, has a lot of nice compilers. Take a hint.

Jeff · Nov 21, 2002, 12:31 AM

point taken

Malus · Nov 21, 2002, 03:22 AM

sporkpimp · Nov 21, 2002, 04:07 AM

No love for Perl and Python around here, neh?
(That'd be a great first language, heh... "Okay, I've mastered Perl, now time to learn Basic!")

-+Ahem+-

From my experience, HTML should be learned before any "real" language... it helps you learn many of the basic concepts.

A bit of C++ is useful for almost everyone... the basics are easy to nail down, it's in wide use, plenty of free compilers and IDEs... makes it a good choice for a first programming language.

(Or, you could be like my 0ld sk001 homiez and learn Pascal, heh...)

-SporkPimp

reno · Nov 21, 2002, 04:37 PM

Isn't perl kind of like a derivative of C++?

sporkpimp · Nov 22, 2002, 06:04 AM

Everything is just a derivative of Assembly.

Malus · Nov 22, 2002, 07:05 AM

C++ is a pretty good place to start.

ToshiroOC · Dec 19, 2002, 11:29 AM

I just started to learn to program myself, and it is REALLY fun in my opinion. However, I have a few recommendations about things that I learned the hard way: Don't try to program beyond your talents. I had a dream of making my own 3d engine. Ok, sounds somewhat simple, it wasn't going to be anything overly special or complex - I spent a month coding, but I didn't know enough, and so I wasted about a month during which I could/should have been working on my code and making other stuff that worked and helped me learn. Also, don't try to learn to program for Windows or Linux at first unless you are using Visual Basic or some other MFC/GUI based programming language like Vb. Command line programming may seem boring, but it makes you focus more on whats going on inside your program instead of the "prettyness" of the program's output, which should really be a secondary consideration when you are learning the language. Good Luck!

ToshiroOC

UberLord · Dec 20, 2002, 12:16 PM

Sounds like good advice

sporkpimp · Dec 20, 2002, 04:01 PM

But but but but but I want my proggie to be pretty like meeeeeee!

reno · Dec 22, 2002, 05:32 PM

Programming...fun?...do you EVER go outside? have you ever seen a girl's pleasure area? have you ever played a sport?

I consider programming a crappy necessity, I'd rather draw my website on a piece of paper and have it look like that...then have to program it for like...ever?

sporkpimp · Dec 22, 2002, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reno
Programming...fun?...do you EVER go outside? have you ever seen a girl's pleasure area? have you ever played a sport?

To respond in order:Yes, it is!---- Uh... yeah... (looks around nervously)--- Uh, yeah.... (looks around nervously)--- unfortunately, yes, about 15 of them, before discovering I'd rather be a very fat man with very weak wrists than a very broad man who can play "La Cucaracha" with his knees.

Quote:

I consider programming a crappy necessity, I'd rather draw my website on a piece of paper and have it look like that...then have to program it for like...ever?

And, among fellow geeks, you are a loser for that. We've seen your other posts, Reno... you are one of ussss... you are geek... preciousssss video cardsssss... tell me, precioussss, what is the Reeeno hidings?

-SporkPimp

Nov 18, 2002, 04:52 AM	#1
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	ok... i wanna program alright, i want to learn to program, and hopefully there are some good programmers on this forum that can help me... can you tell me what programs i should get and what books i should buy (or websites to goto). that'd be great. So you know... feel free!

Nov 18, 2002, 12:33 PM	#2
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Visual Basic is a good one to start learning with. Its what I'm learning in school, its pretty simple and straight foward __________________ - Alistair

Nov 18, 2002, 02:15 PM	#3
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 70	Depend what you want to program. As a profession Visual Basic developer, I can safely say that although it's an easy language to learn try and avoid using it. Instead, go with multi-platform languages such as C/C++ (fast applications), Java (slow appliations but more portable) or PHP (web scripting language). But then it depends what you want to program - as that dictates the language Games - C/C++ Applications - C/C++ or Java Web - PHP Try and avoid M$ based stuff as that locks you into the Windows platform. You can got loads of other stuff to develop for windows __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Nov 18, 2002, 03:23 PM	#4
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	ok... thanks

Nov 18, 2002, 05:11 PM	#5
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	dgfh mmm, also invest in a lot of Rogaine, because you'll be pulling out a LOT of hair...

Nov 18, 2002, 11:03 PM	#6
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	lmao

Nov 19, 2002, 05:20 AM	#7
Kosti DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	Question So if I wanted to create a web page frontpage is not the way to go but to use PHP scripting ? What sort of experience would you need to say create a web page like this one ? Let me know PEACE Kosti __________________ Po[color=#990000]st w[/color][color=#990033]a[/color][color=#993300]s[/color][color=#993333] add[/color][color=#996600]ed [/color][color=#996633]by[/color][color=#999900] u[/color][color=#999933]si[/color][color=#999966]ng[/color][color=#99CC00] re[/color][color=#00CC66]cyc[/color][color=#00CC33]le[/color][color=#00CC00]d[/color][color=#009966] ele[/color][color=#009933]ctr[/color][color=#009900]o[/color][color=#006633]ns[/color]

Nov 19, 2002, 05:57 AM	#8
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 74	Definitly learn some HTML first. You need to know HTML before starting with PHP, as PHP just outputs into HTML, which you need to write. This site runs on a modified forum software package, which wouldn't require a lot of work, but make sure you have at least basic HTML knowledge before diving into a forum package such as vBulletin or Deluxe Portal, as you'll need to make sure you aren't wasting your money. I'd say give phpBB a try (www.phpbb.com) and see if you can get it to do what you want, then maybe look into getting a forum package, or even sticking with phpBB, and if you feel you have sufficient knowledge of HTML, take up trying to code your own PHP web applications. Have any questions, dont hesitate to ask. __________________

Nov 19, 2002, 10:41 PM	#10
Kosti DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	I'll give it a go. Is vbulletin free ? __________________ Po[color=#990000]st w[/color][color=#990033]a[/color][color=#993300]s[/color][color=#993333] add[/color][color=#996600]ed [/color][color=#996633]by[/color][color=#999900] u[/color][color=#999933]si[/color][color=#999966]ng[/color][color=#99CC00] re[/color][color=#00CC66]cyc[/color][color=#00CC33]le[/color][color=#00CC00]d[/color][color=#009966] ele[/color][color=#009933]ctr[/color][color=#009900]o[/color][color=#006633]ns[/color]

Nov 20, 2002, 12:13 AM	#11
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 74	no, it is $80 1 year leased license, or $160 up front, plus $30 per year for upgrades. __________________

Nov 20, 2002, 02:31 AM	#12
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	hrtg phpBB seems to be treating me nice, plus it's free (and if you know a little bit of coding, you can completely change anything you want!) php based websites aren't THAT hard to program...simple pages that is...if you know HTML fairly well, find a good PHP resource and stuff and if you know how the mechanics of internet coding goes...you might be able to figure it out decently. But to program a site such as this would require considerable time investment, hence why this site uses a modified version of an already existing forum.

Nov 20, 2002, 02:34 AM	#13
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 74	Well.... I plan to start a site using Forum-X if i ever get it finished.... __________________

Nov 20, 2002, 04:26 AM	#14
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	i could use a good compiler if anyone knows of one

Nov 20, 2002, 04:55 AM	#15
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 74	I've got Visual C++ __________________

Nov 20, 2002, 03:30 PM	#17
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 74	Forum-X is expected to sell for about $15. __________________

Nov 21, 2002, 03:22 AM	#21
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Nov 22, 2002, 07:05 AM	#25
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	C++ is a pretty good place to start. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Nov 21, 2002, 12:31 AM	#20
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 74	point taken __________________

Nov 21, 2002, 04:07 AM	#22
sporkpimp DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: CA, USA Posts: 90 Rep Power: 0	... No love for Perl and Python around here, neh? (That'd be a great first language, heh... "Okay, I've mastered Perl, now time to learn Basic!") -+Ahem+- From my experience, HTML should be learned before any "real" language... it helps you learn many of the basic concepts. A bit of C++ is useful for almost everyone... the basics are easy to nail down, it's in wide use, plenty of free compilers and IDEs... makes it a good choice for a first programming language. (Or, you could be like my 0ld sk001 homiez and learn Pascal, heh...) -SporkPimp

Nov 21, 2002, 04:37 PM	#23
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	gf Isn't perl kind of like a derivative of C++?

Nov 22, 2002, 06:04 AM	#24
sporkpimp DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: CA, USA Posts: 90 Rep Power: 0	Actually... Everything is just a derivative of Assembly.

Dec 19, 2002, 11:29 AM	#26
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Advice I just started to learn to program myself, and it is REALLY fun in my opinion. However, I have a few recommendations about things that I learned the hard way: Don't try to program beyond your talents. I had a dream of making my own 3d engine. Ok, sounds somewhat simple, it wasn't going to be anything overly special or complex - I spent a month coding, but I didn't know enough, and so I wasted about a month during which I could/should have been working on my code and making other stuff that worked and helped me learn. Also, don't try to learn to program for Windows or Linux at first unless you are using Visual Basic or some other MFC/GUI based programming language like Vb. Command line programming may seem boring, but it makes you focus more on whats going on inside your program instead of the "prettyness" of the program's output, which should really be a secondary consideration when you are learning the language. Good Luck! ToshiroOC __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Dec 20, 2002, 12:16 PM	#27
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 70	Sounds like good advice __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Dec 20, 2002, 04:01 PM	#28
sporkpimp DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: CA, USA Posts: 90 Rep Power: 0	But but but but but I want my proggie to be pretty like meeeeeee!

Dec 22, 2002, 05:32 PM	#29
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	gh Programming...fun?...do you EVER go outside? have you ever seen a girl's pleasure area? have you ever played a sport? I consider programming a crappy necessity, I'd rather draw my website on a piece of paper and have it look like that...then have to program it for like...ever?