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Old Feb 5, 2010, 12:20 AM   #31
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Re: Alienware M11x Notebook Review @ HH

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lol, I know you've been here longer and deserve more respect than this, but, sorry, DUMBASS.

even before getting to accessories like bags and BS that you're trying to say, I came up with a price of $2736, and that's not including Office Software or Security Software. The point I was trying to make is that the article did not show the price as tested in review and that the news at CES was extremely misleading. And also trying to point out that when you do try to add things to this, like actually putting on 4GB or RAM, a 500GB hard drive, Windows 7 Ultimate, etc. A lot of the stuff that regular readers would be interested in, then the price skyrockets. Almost $3000 for an 11" notebook.

First of all, I will refrain from mocking you or in any way reply to your name calling out of respect for the site and the section these comments are.


I do find very interesting that you came up at the price of $2736, even before (as you said) include in the "basket" the price for the Office software or Security software. Very interesting.

I took the base 799 american model (ie USA site), added the 500GB hdd, 4GB of ram and the U7something CPU. Shockingly the price was not $2736, but $1099. A price I would gladly pay if I had the money even though I don't need a laptop now. So, either as I said earlier you filled it up with SSDs and goodies, or the site is broken when you use it, or you decided to troll a bit.
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Old Feb 5, 2010, 12:23 AM   #32
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Re: Alienware M11x Notebook Review @ HH

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I don't know where you're getting that from. I go on to AW's web site and configure a system just as you had in the review and I come up with $1099, before taxes, warranty (which the basic one doesn't include tech support any more), and delivery.
I'm not saying that this is a bad laptop, and I've been a fan of DH for a long time. I come here every day to read a lot of the articles and news. I've been following the M11x and waiting for it to come out as well. But as for the price, other than the size being a definate bonus, the Asus G51J-A1 is close to the same price and WAY better spec'd. Also includes a 2 year warranty and a 1 year accidental plan warranty
That $999 was what the system configurator told me last night for the system with SU7300, 4gb, 7200rpm drive (which is what I would recommend people get, 8gb wont benifit many people). I handnt even applied any coupons to get that price.

As for the point about the Asus system, thats not a fair comparison because its a 15.6" machine... if you think they are comparible then you have compeletely missed the point of the M11x.

I get that you feel AW have let you down with regards to the price you were expecting (based on CES) but really the system is excellent value for its intended purpose... and there is nothing which comes close to it in the same form factor as far as performance goes.

Finally, you should know having been here for some time that calling other members names, such as DUMBASS, is not acceptable behaviour. Don't let it happen again.
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Old Feb 5, 2010, 01:29 AM   #33
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Re: Alienware M11x Notebook Review @ HH

Great article!! couldn't have asked for more detail. I signed up for HH just to comment, actually.

One question though... is the su4100 processor OCable in the same way as the SU7300? thanks!
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Re: Alienware M11x Notebook Review @ HH

I've been reading more about the M11x and a lot of people are hesitant because it's only 10/100 instead of 10/100/1000.

I'm not very good at interpreting network stuff.. Will I have a heavy disadvantage with just 10/100? Do those numbers affect wireless?
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Old Feb 5, 2010, 03:19 AM   #35
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Re: Alienware M11x Notebook Review @ HH

As we mentioned in the conclusion, we would also have liked to see GB-LAN on the M11x but in most cases it shouldnt be a deal breaker.

To answer your question about Wireless, no... there is no impact on Wireless performance.

As for the wired connection, to take advantage of a GB/1000 port if you had one you would need 4 things. 2 Systems with GB LAN ports, a router with 2 GB LAN ports and two decent Cat 6 LAN cables. With that in place you would have the best speeds across the network however you could be limited by the performance of each PC.

In the home environment with 10/100 like on the M11x you would look to have some Cat 5 cable coming out of the laptop (though cat 6 would be more futureproof) and you would need a 10/100 router which would no doubt be cheaper than the 10/100/1000 models and the maximum transfer speed between machines would be lower that the 1000 setup.

If you are plugging direct into your modem with the LAN on the M11x the port they have chosen has more than enough capacity to handle most home internet connections... e.g. if you had 20mb ADSL or cable you would not max out the M11x wired connection.

Really, this 1000 debate is about how fast you want your internal wired network transfers to be... for most people 10/100 is fine. 10/100/1000 is a luxury for a lot of people really (though it is becoming more common all the time).
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Hmm...I am pretty sure I saw in videos where the Alienware staff stated that the machine is capable of running MWF2 on high settings at more than 30 frames per second. Having just looked at the test results which achieved average 34 frames per second running on normal settings makes me wonder how they achieved it.
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Probably heavily dependant on the section of gameplay... we spend a long time testing games prior to adding them to our test suite. The aim of that is to find the most demanding section of gameplay we can and use that...essentially showing the "worst case scenario" for that game. So, other testing may show higher results (e.g. using another level or shorter test section) but if we find something to be playable then you know it always will be, regardless of the level/section you play.
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Hey, nice review. I haven't heard of the site before, and now I've bookmarked it because of how good this review is. One small thing though, how come you guys didn't test all those heavily demanding games like say Crysis? Is the battery removable/replaceable at all? And any way to get past the 800 MHz RAM limitation?

Based on all the other reviews and impressions, I'm ordering this notebook. It sounds like an awesome laptop, and I get 10% off it since I'm ordering it off my school account. Kinda debating whether the Windows 7 Pro/Ultimate upgrade is really worth it though....

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Old Feb 5, 2010, 10:17 AM   #39
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Hey, nice review. I haven't heard of the site before, and now I've bookmarked it because of how good this review is. One small thing though, how come you guys didn't test all those heavily demanding games like say Crysis? Is the battery removable/replaceable at all? And any way to get past the 800 MHz RAM limitation?

Based on all the other reviews and impressions, I'm ordering this notebook. It sounds like an awesome laptop, and I get 10% off it since I'm ordering it off my school account. Kinda debating whether the Windows 7 Pro/Ultimate upgrade is really worth it though....
Hi, we have a suite of games we test for each review, Crysis wasnt chosen for this one (just a random decision) but if I get time before the review sample moves on I will run a test and post the results here.

The battery, at least in the review sample is removable. It has a non standard connector but that shouldnt stop people getting a replacement from Dell/Alienware in the future if needed.

800MHz is a chipset limitation, so no...not at this time.

As for Windows, depends on what you need it to do. Most people probably dont need Ultimate though...
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This is the first time i have been on this site, and just like one of the previous posters, i would like to congratulate you on one of the most comprehensive and detailed reviews i have ever read.

it has been a few years since i have used a windows machine regularly, but the recent release of W7 has peaked my interest, plus i will install linux anyway, so i have been looking at laptops to replace my aging 2006 macbook (i wonder how i survived so long). i would like to be able to consolidate all my current computers (13'3 macbook + 10" netbook samsung NC10) into one and this looks to be the correct option. Portable but powerful, plus it has a similar screen res to my 13'3" macbook.

my questions are:

from your impressions would this be able to be a full time computer for someone that does not need too much computing, but a bit of casual gaming?

the problem i have with my NC10 is the trackpadm just too small, how is it on the M11x?

if i were to connect it to a FULL HD screen would the machine speed suffer or is the Nvidia 335 good enough to handle it without any problems? (nvidia website says max res 2560x1600)

i was very interested by the CUDA example you show for running 1080p video, and was wondering if there are any other applications you know off that benefit from CUDA, or i guess in future apps that might progress and move to openCL?

when you overclock the processor does it remain overclocked when you put it into power saving mode? and if not, does battery life take a hit at 1.6Ghz? i have never overclocked a laptop/computer so sorry for the noob question.

i am amazed by this machine but i dont need to replace my current system until the summer, is there any chance alienware might adopt a 10W ULV i3 i5 or i7 when or if it comes out? plus i guess once people realize how great the m11x is other companies might join the race, and there is nothing better for the consumer than competition.

once again great review
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So does the good performance with games translate into good performance when editing AVCHD video footage on Adobe Premiere Pro CS4? I'm looking to buy a portable notebook that I can edit full HD video on without having the footage stutter.
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my questions are:

from your impressions would this be able to be a full time computer for someone that does not need too much computing, but a bit of casual gaming?

the problem i have with my NC10 is the trackpadm just too small, how is it on the M11x?

if i were to connect it to a FULL HD screen would the machine speed suffer or is the Nvidia 335 good enough to handle it without any problems? (nvidia website says max res 2560x1600)

i was very interested by the CUDA example you show for running 1080p video, and was wondering if there are any other applications you know off that benefit from CUDA, or i guess in future apps that might progress and move to openCL?

when you overclock the processor does it remain overclocked when you put it into power saving mode? and if not, does battery life take a hit at 1.6Ghz? i have never overclocked a laptop/computer so sorry for the noob question.

i am amazed by this machine but i dont need to replace my current system until the summer, is there any chance alienware might adopt a 10W ULV i3 i5 or i7 when or if it comes out? plus i guess once people realize how great the m11x is other companies might join the race, and there is nothing better for the consumer than competition.

once again great review
Hi, this would indeed make a good system for occasional gaming and general PC use.

The trackpad is 4.5cm tall by 8cm wide (approx)

There should be no problems running 1920x1080 for desktop and media use. Gaming you really need to stick to the 720 res, or you could try running on lower detail settings with the higher res. (also, the older the game the more likely it would run at 1920)

There are a number of CUDA apps available, some for home use and others for business/education. NVIDIA's website has a full list (which can be filtered on category).

The CPU does not downclock when set to overclock (currently). This will have an impact on battery life but we would suggest that overclocking is probably best left for AC power use.

I would take a guess that the next small product from Alienware would use an i3/i5 but i would imagine that is some way off. (Complete speculation)
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So does the good performance with games translate into good performance when editing AVCHD video footage on Adobe Premiere Pro CS4? I'm looking to buy a portable notebook that I can edit full HD video on without having the footage stutter.
I'm afraid I do not know what the performance when editing AVCHD would be.
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I myself have just registered to show my appreciation of this great review of this AW product, I have been following this machine ever since it was announced and i am really leaning towards purchasing it... haha just funding problems is stopping me from my purchase!

But i love the detailed review and all the pictures of the machine itself and i was wondering if its not to time consuming or anything of the sort could you do like a quick video over-view?, and maybe of it showing game play of certain games (your choice), i would just like to actually see this thing in movement so to speak!

Also people might be wanting to hear the noise of the machine, like get the mic/camera near exhaust/fan exits and hear the noise/vibrations if any.

But thanks again for this WONDERFUL review!.
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Hi Guys,

ive got a question.

Did you bench the games with the overclocked cpu or stock?

If you answer this already im sorry... my english is not that good.
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I myself have just registered to show my appreciation of this great review of this AW product, I have been following this machine ever since it was announced and i am really leaning towards purchasing it... haha just funding problems is stopping me from my purchase!

But i love the detailed review and all the pictures of the machine itself and i was wondering if its not to time consuming or anything of the sort could you do like a quick video over-view?, and maybe of it showing game play of certain games (your choice), i would just like to actually see this thing in movement so to speak!

Also people might be wanting to hear the noise of the machine, like get the mic/camera near exhaust/fan exits and hear the noise/vibrations if any.

But thanks again for this WONDERFUL review!.
I will see what I can do over the weekend, cant promise anything though as we have a launch to get ready for on Tuesday.
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Did you bench the games with the overclocked cpu or stock?

If you answer this already im sorry... my english is not that good.
Hi it was the stock CPU.
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Hi it was the stock CPU.
Thanks. thats great news.

I think the GPU is much powerfuller then the CPU. That means if you overclock the cpu to 1.6ghz, the performance in games are maybe ~ 25-30 percent better.
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Re: Alienware M11x Notebook Review @ HH

Hello, another new member here, let me start off by being the next in line to say that was easily the most comprehensive and informative product review I have ever read. I've been following the m11x since its announcement but the few other reviews that I read were so vague that I was left scratching my head. Not the case here, well done.

My only real concern is not about the computer itself (all of those q's were answered in the review) but rather the quality of Alienware products. I want this computer, there's no doubt, as a full time student and a gamer it seems the perfect option to carry to class and also get some serious gaming power for the size. However several of my more tech savvy friends are trying to convince me to avoid Alienware at all costs, citing poor customer service, and frequent breakdowns following the companies acquisition by Dell. I've been directed toward price comparable ASUS laptops that are frankly to large and lacking dependable battery life.

Anyway, the review mentioned you guys have previously covered other alienware products/laptops, how have those products stood against the test of time? Are stories about alienware breakdowns true? and in that case would you guys recommend spending the extra money for a more comprehensive warranty plan?
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I will only answer about the Warranty plan. If you want an extended warranty the question is, for how long are you going to rely on the notebook for your needs. If in a year or even 2 you are going to get a new system (as a gamer highly likely since at 2 years the system shows its age, big time), then getting a 3 or 5 year plan is perhaps a waste of money. Just consider that before you get any extended plan.
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My experience with Alienware is that a few years ago they could be a complete nightmare. If you got a good system then great but if something wasnt quite right then it was a big problem. Even some of our review units were a complete disaster.

Since merging with Dell the units I have seen have had a huge leap in build quality, I've had more problems with Acer than Dell/Alienware in recent times.
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Just wanted to say thanks for the outstanding review. With luck, the M11x will last me through grad school.
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Hi, another new member. Loved the review, one of the most comprehensive reviews I've ever read. It answered loads of my questions and largely contributed to my purchase yesterday .

Just a couple of questions:

You had a section on overclocking. Was this easy to do as ive never done it on a laptop, and is it possible to overclock it over 1.6GHz?

Secondly a game genre I am really looking forward to playing on my M11x is RTSs. One game I am really looking to play is Empire total war. I've heard that Empire total war and RTSs in general are quite CPU intensive. How well would you expect these games to run on the M11x's CPU?

If these questions can be aswered then I'll be waiting day and night for Dell to deliver it .
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Hi,

First of all I really enjoyed the review and it was essential to me as I bought one just a couple of minuts before.
My configuration it's the following:
Alienware M11x, Cosmic Black
Intel Core2 Duo SU7300 1.3GHz (3MB Cache, 800MHz FSB)
8GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1066MHz
256GB Solid State Drive ...

I hope that the people form dell deliver the notebook on date..

P.D: sorry for my bad english Im form Argentina !
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Hi there,

thanks for this review, although it sounds a bit too perfect to me.
Maybe you can help me, answering two questions:

Does the basic CPU version (Pentium SU 4100) have this bios OC feature too?
Anyone tried to connect a 5.1 sound system?

Thanks for your help...
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Hello !

Many thanks for your review! Amazing and clear !

I still have one question on the alienware m11x : Does the HDMI output more than 720p ? I mean it can display 1080p on an appropriate screen ?
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Re: Alienware M11x Notebook Review @ HH

Hi, first off, thanks for the great review.

3 questions:

i) any chance to see 3dmark 06 and Vantage scores?
ii) I already have an Intel SSD, so is it easy to replace the standard HDD?
iii) Also, any way to backup the softwares? I just want the Alienware Comand Center for the colour customisation, don't care about anything else.
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Re: Alienware M11x Notebook Review @ HH

HI Guys, I will answer all of the latest questions asap... just busy working on another article at the moment.
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Re: Alienware M11x Notebook Review @ HH

sorry to bug you more (i know you said you were busy :P)...
but since you actaully got to use it, what are your thoughts on the screen? is it too small for casual gaming and "work" (mainly word processing)? Thanks
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Re: Alienware M11x Notebook Review @ HH

Hi
I just signed up here to ask a few questions about the M11x review.

It bothers me a bit that there seem to be only two reviews on the Internet about the M11x yet, and in both reviews there is almost nothing said about the quality of the display.

On this video (by Katie Diana from the Alienware team) you can see that the M11x display seems to be very reflective/glossy.
You also see a nice side to side comparison of the M11x and the M17x.
--> YouTube - Left 4 Dead 2 on the Alienware M11x

The M17x seems to have the same sort of glossy display. But the M17x is a more stationary Device which you would use indoors most of the time.

The M11x on the contrary is a very mobile device and I would say that a lot of buyers will want to use it on the train or outdoors or on planes. Which means in places where you can't control the lighting by yourself.

On the video you can see that even indoors there are a lot of reflections on the display of the M11x. I wouldn't buy any surf-Netbook which shows that sort of mirror-effect. For a gaming-subnotebook I wouldn't be so choosy but it is an important quality feature nonetheless.

Questions:

How about testing and making a few more pictures of the M11x showing it in places where you would want to use such a mobile device?

Is the M11x useable outdoors?
I don't think it will be useable in direct sunlight but what about using it in the shades?

How about using an anti-glare protection film?
(for example the 3M ARMR-200)
Would such a solution help with the outdoor usability of the M11x?

Which size of an anti-glare film would you need?
Just 11,6" for the display or a bigger size to cover the complete frame?

Thanks in advance for any answer.
Stefan
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