Fluid Soundfont

lucioblues · Jun 16, 2003, 10:31 PM

Hi

There´s lots of people talking about how to break the RAM limitation for loading soundfonts. Tweaking windows registry, using Megafont... But I only read about supositions, and "maybe this will work". Have somebody got sucess loading Fluid Soundfont with Kx drivers? And how you did it? I´ve tried tweaking the four lines of registry described in FAQ, tried Megafont, Genesys (both don´t working with kx) and all of possible solutions proposed. No way to make it work.

P.S. :I´ve tried under W2K and XP...

sorry my poor english...

Lucio

chicoselfs · Jun 17, 2003, 08:17 AM

I have the same problem here, with creative drivers i can load the Fluid III with KX i can't.

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Jun 20, 2003, 02:04 AM

try the following:

create a temp. folder
copy your soundfont into it
in the command line, execute:
kxctrl -sf2 p 'your_soundfont_file' output

note any messages displayed by kxctrl
it should print 'Ok' w/o any warnings or errors

you can safely delete the temp. folder after the test

/Eugene

chicoselfs · Jun 20, 2003, 08:41 AM

do you mean this?
http://clientes.netvisao.pt/frmabafa/kx.jpg

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Jun 21, 2003, 02:10 AM

in the command line, execute:
kxctrl -sf2 p 'your_soundfont_file' 'output_folder'

you've used wrong command-line arguments

/E

chicoselfs · Jun 21, 2003, 07:03 AM

I'm sorry i'm not very smart but i tried and i can't, maybe with an example.

kxctrl -sf2 p 'c:\temp\tmp.sf2' 'c:\temp'

I created a temp folder in c:\ and rename the soundfont to tmp.sf2 and use that command line and it won't work.

Mata Hari · Jun 21, 2003, 09:16 PM

I tried this too (I'm intrested in loading fluid r3 too)
printed ok for me, and everything extracted fine as far as i can see

the sf2 is 141 mb big (Fluid r3 GM.sf2)
loading with kxcntr -sf2 l fluidr3.sf2 itself gives -1

lucioblues · Jun 22, 2003, 03:05 AM

I got the same as Mata Hari did. No error messages on the extraction of the files ("Ok" at the end). Using the load command (kxctrl -sf2 l "D:\Soundfonts\Temp\FluidR3 GM.SF2) gives me "Error: -1".

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Jun 23, 2003, 01:36 AM

install the monitor and watch its output when you try to upload the soundfont via kxmixer

/E

lucioblues · Jun 23, 2003, 03:48 AM

Sorry about my ignorance... What is the monitor?

Mata Hari · Jun 23, 2003, 04:03 AM

monitor = debug monitor, allready checked, and talked to Eugene...
He pointed me to the FAQ, about loading large sound fonts, and tweaking the registry...

In HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session Manager\Memory Management, I tried setting the mentioned keys to 256MB, but that didn't work...
now going for 384MB

stay tuned :-)

edit: Nope, didn't work :-(

I can try to make a 120 mb and a 130 mb sf2, to see if the limit is 128 MB (wich I suspect, cause I cann load a 84 mb one)

edit2: well, the largest I can load is around 116 MB... fiddling around with the mentioned registry settings doesn't change much though...

Mata Hari · Jun 24, 2003, 04:48 AM

K, I just thoughtup a possible solution for this.
When loading a soundfont, Can the font be loaded in "parts"?
With an algorithm, to "split" the soundfont in parts like this:

Take an instrument, find all samples needed for this instrument, of all those samples, find all instruments, wich use them... of the instruments found, again find all samples used, and so on, untill you have a list of instruments and corrosponding samples, then load those...
after that, repeat with the next unloaded instrument, until all instruments are loaded (or, if one fails, unload them all again)

Thisway, the load process would be split into loading smaller parts, rite?

would this work?

lucioblues · Jun 24, 2003, 05:27 AM

To be able to use Fluid I've my own "part" loading soundfont. I broke it into 17 soundfonts, divided as according to GM groups (Piano, Chromatic Percusion, Organ,...). It became larger (162Mb) than the single SF (I think that some samples are duplicated). But now I can load at least some of them.

Lucio

Mata Hari · Jun 24, 2003, 03:14 PM

Well, thas kinda my idea yeah, only diffrence is the algorithm to eliminate duplicated samples :-)
I hope this can be implemented in the driver?

Jun 16, 2003, 10:31 PM	#1
lucioblues DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 81 Rep Power: 0	Fluid Soundfont Hi There´s lots of people talking about how to break the RAM limitation for loading soundfonts. Tweaking windows registry, using Megafont... But I only read about supositions, and "maybe this will work". Have somebody got sucess loading Fluid Soundfont with Kx drivers? And how you did it? I´ve tried tweaking the four lines of registry described in FAQ, tried Megafont, Genesys (both don´t working with kx) and all of possible solutions proposed. No way to make it work. P.S. :I´ve tried under W2K and XP... sorry my poor english... Lucio

Jun 23, 2003, 03:48 AM	Thread Starter #10
lucioblues DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 81 Rep Power: 0	Sorry about my ignorance... What is the monitor? __________________

Jun 23, 2003, 04:03 AM	#11
Mata Hari HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 213 Rep Power: 0	monitor = debug monitor, allready checked, and talked to Eugene... He pointed me to the FAQ, about loading large sound fonts, and tweaking the registry... In HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session Manager\Memory Management, I tried setting the mentioned keys to 256MB, but that didn't work... now going for 384MB stay tuned :-) edit: Nope, didn't work :-( I can try to make a 120 mb and a 130 mb sf2, to see if the limit is 128 MB (wich I suspect, cause I cann load a 84 mb one) edit2: well, the largest I can load is around 116 MB... fiddling around with the mentioned registry settings doesn't change much though... Last edited by Mata Hari; Jun 23, 2003 at 04:41 AM.

Jun 17, 2003, 08:17 AM	#2
chicoselfs DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portugal Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	I have the same problem here, with creative drivers i can load the Fluid III with KX i can't.

Jun 20, 2003, 02:04 AM	#3
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	try the following: create a temp. folder copy your soundfont into it in the command line, execute: kxctrl -sf2 p 'your_soundfont_file' output note any messages displayed by kxctrl it should print 'Ok' w/o any warnings or errors you can safely delete the temp. folder after the test /Eugene

Jun 20, 2003, 08:41 AM	#4
chicoselfs DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portugal Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	do you mean this? http://clientes.netvisao.pt/frmabafa/kx.jpg

Jun 21, 2003, 02:10 AM	#5
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	in the command line, execute: kxctrl -sf2 p 'your_soundfont_file' 'output_folder' you've used wrong command-line arguments /E

Jun 21, 2003, 07:03 AM	#6
chicoselfs DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portugal Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	I'm sorry i'm not very smart but i tried and i can't, maybe with an example. kxctrl -sf2 p 'c:\temp\tmp.sf2' 'c:\temp' I created a temp folder in c:\ and rename the soundfont to tmp.sf2 and use that command line and it won't work.

Jun 21, 2003, 09:16 PM	#7
Mata Hari HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 213 Rep Power: 0	I tried this too (I'm intrested in loading fluid r3 too) printed ok for me, and everything extracted fine as far as i can see the sf2 is 141 mb big (Fluid r3 GM.sf2) loading with kxcntr -sf2 l fluidr3.sf2 itself gives -1

Jun 22, 2003, 03:05 AM	Thread Starter #8
lucioblues DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 81 Rep Power: 0	I got the same as Mata Hari did. No error messages on the extraction of the files ("Ok" at the end). Using the load command (kxctrl -sf2 l "D:\Soundfonts\Temp\FluidR3 GM.SF2) gives me "Error: -1".

Jun 23, 2003, 01:36 AM	#9
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	install the monitor and watch its output when you try to upload the soundfont via kxmixer /E

Jun 24, 2003, 04:48 AM	#12
Mata Hari HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 213 Rep Power: 0	K, I just thoughtup a possible solution for this. When loading a soundfont, Can the font be loaded in "parts"? With an algorithm, to "split" the soundfont in parts like this: Take an instrument, find all samples needed for this instrument, of all those samples, find all instruments, wich use them... of the instruments found, again find all samples used, and so on, untill you have a list of instruments and corrosponding samples, then load those... after that, repeat with the next unloaded instrument, until all instruments are loaded (or, if one fails, unload them all again) Thisway, the load process would be split into loading smaller parts, rite? would this work?

Jun 24, 2003, 05:27 AM	Thread Starter #13
lucioblues DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 81 Rep Power: 0	To be able to use Fluid I've my own "part" loading soundfont. I broke it into 17 soundfonts, divided as according to GM groups (Piano, Chromatic Percusion, Organ,...). It became larger (162Mb) than the single SF (I think that some samples are duplicated). But now I can load at least some of them. Lucio

Jun 24, 2003, 03:14 PM	#14
Mata Hari HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 213 Rep Power: 0	Well, thas kinda my idea yeah, only diffrence is the algorithm to eliminate duplicated samples :-) I hope this can be implemented in the driver?