SB Live no rear midi?

mobomofo · Jan 23, 2010, 07:46 PM

Good day...
Since I have installed Windows 7 my SB live Platinum card does not recognize the rear midi/gameport input. The front port still works.
I am also using an Audigy 2ZS Platinum, and both ports show up in my audio software, even though I do not have the rear bracket. Does anyone have any ideal how to fix this issue. Please and thanks.

Tyrsonswood · Jan 23, 2010, 08:13 PM

I read that Win7 no longer supports the old style joystick port although I figured midi would still work through there as the creative joystick driver wasn't needed for midi support on older versions of KX. I don't have Win7 so I can't test this.

Have you tried installing the creative joystick driver for vista? Maybe that would jog win7's memory a little.

Max M. · Jan 23, 2010, 08:16 PM

Note that MIDI port and GamePort are not related (they only share the same "connector", but it is not the same "port").
The "rear" MIDI port functionality is handled by the main ("Audio") driver (so it works whether Gameport device/driver recognized/installed or not).

Quote:

I am also using an Audigy 2ZS Platinum, and both ports show up in my audio software, even though I do not have the rear bracket. Does anyone have any ideal how to fix this issue.

I don't see any issue with this. The driver can't know if the bracket is connected or not (This MIDI port is in the on-board chip itself, so it always present).

Tyrsonswood · Jan 23, 2010, 08:25 PM

That's what I thought......

mobomofo · Jan 23, 2010, 08:25 PM

Ok..guys.
I cannot understand why it will not show in my audiosoftware, unless maybe the soundcard is starting to die. It all worked fine in XP. I do appreciate your advice and I will give what you suggested (Tyrsonwood) a try even though the other dude says joystick/midi are unrelated.
Man you guys sure go out of your way to help people around here, Talk about a fast response. Thanks.

Max M. · Jan 23, 2010, 08:31 PM

Ah, i guess i misunderstood what issue you've pointed to.
"SBLive MIDI ports are not visible in applications under W7" - is this the one?
(While A2ZS MIDI posrt are fine, right?)
Hmm, let me think... - if it is something like that then this is likely to be kX's bug.
(yet again the MIDI ports should be there despite of whatever Gameport stuff).

mobomofo · Jan 23, 2010, 09:39 PM

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_HzCBF5MJPhg/S1.../s800/midi.jpg

Yes sir...This is the issue.

Max M. · Jan 23, 2010, 09:57 PM

Hmm, the screenshot confuses me

... I can see the "kX UART CT4760 ..." input there - this one is supposed to be the "rear" MIDI port... So what's wrong with it?

P.S.:
Btw, and how was the same thing in XP?
Just in case, i'm not sure i remember it right, but SBLive (unlike Audigy) has the same single port for both "rear" and LiveDrive MIDI connectors - and i don't remember if they are supposed to work simultaneosly or the Drive connector (if present) overrides the "rear" one.

mobomofo · Jan 23, 2010, 10:01 PM

Ya I know...it's screwed up and for the Audigy it is showing 2 of the same. All are UARTS! In XP it showed them properly.

mobomofo · Jan 23, 2010, 10:03 PM

It shows the rear port but only the front panel one works

Tyrsonswood · Jan 23, 2010, 10:04 PM

Don't let the term UART throw you off.... technically that's what a midi port is.

mobomofo · Jan 23, 2010, 10:14 PM

In XP it used to show Control and UART for each sound card. Strange that now in Win 7 it shows 3 UARTs.

Tyrsonswood · Jan 23, 2010, 10:18 PM

No offence to anyone but Win7 is strange...... lol

Max M. · Jan 23, 2010, 10:28 PM

Quote:

In XP it used to show Control and UART for each sound card. Strange that now in Win 7 it shows 3 UARTs.

Mmm, but were there 4 UARTs in XP? Don't let the "Control" ports to mislead you - i don't know if "Control" ports are supposed to be in Win7 or not but it is irrelevant: the "Control" ports are virtual ports (used for kX DSP Automation and Remote stuff) they are not related to MIDI connectors.

edit: i just searched though older threads - and it looks like this: emu10k1 has 1 MIDI port (for all of its MIDI connectors - still not sure if they can work together or either connector overrides the others), emu10k2 has 2 MIDI ports (the first for the "rear" connector and the second for a Drive connectors or other I/O extenders). I.E. It all seems to be the same story for the WinXP and the Win7.. (As it is a hardware thing)... So.. Maybe it's just that "not-recognized Gameport" story triggered you to notice the Live/Audigy difference (and to think that it was not the same in XP)?

mobomofo · Jan 29, 2010, 06:48 AM

It all makes sense to me now..because it is the way it is now, there is no way to select both midi inputs at the same time in my audio software. Windows 7 has made me configure everything all over. Oh well, it.s time to retire the old SB Live platinum and go with my Audigy 2ZS. All I need now is some mini midi cable adapters for the front panel, and the hard to find midi/gameport bracket for the second midi input. Thanks for the comments people!

Tyrsonswood · Jan 29, 2010, 01:11 PM

The mini DIN adapters will be on their way soon.... (subtle hint?

)

Seems there were several rear brackets for the different cards, Have you found a card side pinout for the 2ZS? Seems you could make a cable/bracket to go from card to MIDI plug adapter (bypass the joystick plug all together)

Another possible route someone could take here...... Couldn't one use a second card (the live card) as a second MIDI port much like we use for an extra pair of audio inputs? If you have enough PCI slots for two cards you could see if your software sees the ports from both cards. You may be able to use a live card as both extra MIDI and audio input source...... I've used two cards a lot but never checked for MIDI functions when setup this way as I don't do a lot of MIDI stuff yet. It would be worth checking before retiring the card perminantly.

mobomofo · Jan 29, 2010, 03:34 PM

Good ideal about making your own bracket. That's what I did for the Audigy 2ZS SPDIF input, Mr. Tyrsonwood. (now I have the front panel, redundancy rules) I will look into making a midi bracket. I think it may be possible to use a midi/gameport bracket from an older ASUS mobo, or some such, if I can locate one at a reasonable price. Unfortunately right now funds are running low, and work has dried up again.

Yes and what you suggested is how I had my cards set up in XP. I used the SB live primarily for the midi input/outputs. However now I have a motherboard with limited PCI slots, and am trying to do the same thing with the Audigy 2ZS. Most likely the trusty old SB Live will see more use in my dauhgter's or brother's computer.

Yes I guess that was a subtle hint.

You see right through me while reading short posts on an internet forum. Highly intelligent you are! Have a good day.

Jan 23, 2010, 07:46 PM	#1
mobomofo HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 75 Rep Power: 28	SB Live no rear midi? Good day... Since I have installed Windows 7 my SB live Platinum card does not recognize the rear midi/gameport input. The front port still works. I am also using an Audigy 2ZS Platinum, and both ports show up in my audio software, even though I do not have the rear bracket. Does anyone have any ideal how to fix this issue. Please and thanks. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/vstmonger

Jan 23, 2010, 08:25 PM	Thread Starter #5
mobomofo HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 75 Rep Power: 28	Re: SB Live no rear midi? Ok..guys. I cannot understand why it will not show in my audiosoftware, unless maybe the soundcard is starting to die. It all worked fine in XP. I do appreciate your advice and I will give what you suggested (Tyrsonwood) a try even though the other dude says joystick/midi are unrelated. Man you guys sure go out of your way to help people around here, Talk about a fast response. Thanks. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/vstmonger

Jan 23, 2010, 08:31 PM	#6
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,640 Rep Power: 69	Îòâåò: SB Live no rear midi? Ah, i guess i misunderstood what issue you've pointed to. "SBLive MIDI ports are not visible in applications under W7" - is this the one? (While A2ZS MIDI posrt are fine, right?) Hmm, let me think... - if it is something like that then this is likely to be kX's bug. (yet again the MIDI ports should be there despite of whatever Gameport stuff). __________________ Last edited by Max M.; Jan 23, 2010 at 08:42 PM.

Jan 23, 2010, 09:39 PM	Thread Starter #7
mobomofo HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 75 Rep Power: 28	Re: Îòâåò: SB Live no rear midi? http://lh3.ggpht.com/_HzCBF5MJPhg/S1.../s800/midi.jpg Yes sir...This is the issue. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/vstmonger

Jan 23, 2010, 09:57 PM	#8
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,640 Rep Power: 69	Îòâåò: SB Live no rear midi? Hmm, the screenshot confuses me ... I can see the "kX UART CT4760 ..." input there - this one is supposed to be the "rear" MIDI port... So what's wrong with it? P.S.: Btw, and how was the same thing in XP? Just in case, i'm not sure i remember it right, but SBLive (unlike Audigy) has the same single port for both "rear" and LiveDrive MIDI connectors - and i don't remember if they are supposed to work simultaneosly or the Drive connector (if present) overrides the "rear" one. __________________ Last edited by Max M.; Jan 23, 2010 at 10:04 PM.

Jan 23, 2010, 10:01 PM	Thread Starter #9
mobomofo HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 75 Rep Power: 28	Re: Îòâåò: SB Live no rear midi? Ya I know...it's screwed up and for the Audigy it is showing 2 of the same. All are UARTS! In XP it showed them properly. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/vstmonger

Jan 23, 2010, 10:03 PM	Thread Starter #10
mobomofo HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 75 Rep Power: 28	Re: Îòâåò: SB Live no rear midi? It shows the rear port but only the front panel one works __________________ http://www.youtube.com/vstmonger

Jan 23, 2010, 10:14 PM	Thread Starter #12
mobomofo HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 75 Rep Power: 28	Re: SB Live no rear midi? In XP it used to show Control and UART for each sound card. Strange that now in Win 7 it shows 3 UARTs. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/vstmonger

Jan 29, 2010, 06:48 AM	Thread Starter #15
mobomofo HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 75 Rep Power: 28	Re: Îòâåò: SB Live no rear midi? It all makes sense to me now..because it is the way it is now, there is no way to select both midi inputs at the same time in my audio software. Windows 7 has made me configure everything all over. Oh well, it.s time to retire the old SB Live platinum and go with my Audigy 2ZS. All I need now is some mini midi cable adapters for the front panel, and the hard to find midi/gameport bracket for the second midi input. Thanks for the comments people! __________________ http://www.youtube.com/vstmonger

Jan 29, 2010, 03:34 PM	Thread Starter #17
mobomofo HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 75 Rep Power: 28	Re: SB Live no rear midi? Good ideal about making your own bracket. That's what I did for the Audigy 2ZS SPDIF input, Mr. Tyrsonwood. (now I have the front panel, redundancy rules) I will look into making a midi bracket. I think it may be possible to use a midi/gameport bracket from an older ASUS mobo, or some such, if I can locate one at a reasonable price. Unfortunately right now funds are running low, and work has dried up again. Yes and what you suggested is how I had my cards set up in XP. I used the SB live primarily for the midi input/outputs. However now I have a motherboard with limited PCI slots, and am trying to do the same thing with the Audigy 2ZS. Most likely the trusty old SB Live will see more use in my dauhgter's or brother's computer. Yes I guess that was a subtle hint. You see right through me while reading short posts on an internet forum. Highly intelligent you are! Have a good day. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/vstmonger