Tintin72

Hi,

I have problem with my soundfont drum kit.
During playback I noticed that some notes are not played even when
there's just the drum part playing.
It acts as if there would be not enought memory or the soundfont
would be huge, but it doesn't.
My soundfont is 10Mo and I've got 4Go of RAM, so I really don't
know where the pb come from.
Is the KX soundfont player ok ? (I use the 3550 version).

When I used a SB Live.5 I dont remember such issue except for the
ride cymbal when too much instruments played at the same time.

Now I use a SB Audigy 2 zs. Could it be the issue ?

Please help !


Thanks for advance

Tintin72

I think I get it.
I checked my soundfont in Vienna and noticed that the release value
was at 50 wich is a huge value for a 1 or 2 sec one shot samples (snare, hihat etc...).
So I set it all at 10.
So far it works.

Hope this help.

mrvomit

well It's a great tip ,
But i remember doing similarly
and still having that problem ,but slight less .
Cymbals dont get triggered and so on.

I had the same behavior again ,
DId you change SAMPLE-release or instrument -release?

"Volume envelope" You meant?

It's a lot of work doing every sample.

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Tintin72

SAMPLE-release
Yes
yes especialy if you have a big multi layers drum kit.


But unfortunately the problem appeared again.

I tried on my old PC with same, card same OS, same Sonar and no pb, but
on my new PC (dual core / 4Go Ram) notes missing sometimes even on a
small drum part. I really don't understand at all.

Where hell that pb could come from ?????

Tyrsonswood

How much ram in the old PC?

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Tintin72

1,25 Go

Would have I too much RAM on my new PC ????

Tyrsonswood

I don't know, just a hunch. There were audio issues with earlier versions on systems with more than 2 gigs of ram and they were fixed with 3550, but I don't know how thoroughly MIDI was tested.

It just raised a red flag for me when you mentioned all worked fine with everything the same in the old PC...... Some difference between old and new system is involved and amount of ram is one suspect.

If your configuration allows, can you try the new system with 2 gig? Leave everything else the same.

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Tintin72

I did, but issue still remains.

Any idea ?

Tyrsonswood

Well, not really.... at least this rules out a RAM problem in your case.......


Are you on a 64bit OS on the new system? I'm seeing a few problem threads starting that seem to point to possible issues with 64bit........

I would say right now we need to find some common system differences from those with problems to see what may be root causes, more than I have a fix for them..... If we can come up with something, then maybe we could post a meaningful bug report that the KX crew can use to possibly fix these issues........ I'm still on XP and 2 gigs of ram, I can't test and verify any of this myself. (I'm also not having any problems at the moment)

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Tintin72

Nope, I keep Win XP Pro 32 bit.

I'm afraid I have to return on my old system (AMD 2600+, 2Go RAM, Asrock mobo)
cause I need a stable configuration.

I wish I knew what's wrong with my new PC (Intel core duo, 4Go RAM, Asus mobo).
I thing I have to dive deeply inside the system but I've got no time for now.

If anyone has any clue I take it.

mrvomit

i had that problem since pentium III ,so it's not strictly system related.

First i thought it was blame of the maximum memory "per second" (32 mB i thin) that was an Hardware issue expecially on fisrt creative card, if i recall correctly.

But if that happen when you load --Just THe drum (not other soundfont at the same moment right?) --and the Entire Drum is just 10Mb ,
could be something else.
As a matter of curiosity ,'ve cutted the release of a drum of mine..result=same issue ,
but less,ON CYMBALS only though ,as it always was.

I get the same problem on complex Choirs too .

SO Maybe depend from the soundfont ,should be something related to specific sample ,or specific to some soundfont-setting related to the sample.

DO It happen with the same sounds (..like cymbals in my case..) or randomly with different samples?It could at least narrow the research

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Tintin72

On my old config it happens only on the ride cymbal but it sounds logical because
of the longer release. Sounds pile up and cause a polyphonic overflow.
But it doesn't happen when drum is played alone, but when other instruments are playing at the same time.

On my new config it could be any drum sound (snare, shaker etc...) even if drum is playing alone.

I think it could be the RAM technology. I have SDR on my old PC and DDR on the new one.
Since soundfont player use the PC RAM it's may be an address memory problem, but it's just a hunch.
It could be the mother board too but in my case it could be anything.

Mmm, are you sure you've only changed the cpu ?
What was your config before issue appears ?

mrvomit

ahah OFF COURSE if you read my signature , its not possible i did swap only Cpu ...i meant pIII system (thought it was obvious).
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Playing "alone" does not mean the other instruments are not loaded in memory .
If you mute the other instruments without unloading them,than maybe its the issue of "too many Mb "at the same time"-(too many "voices per second)" ,

that was --and i think still is ---related to an hardware problem.

And maybe another sounfont (not drums) has a "big release" and that concurr to the whole thing ,similarto th "kill voicefunction" on kontakt player to give you an idea




THOUGH when I've upgraded To "audigy" from sb0060
i did read it was solved .
Maybe false advertising from creative back then.
Maybe they just did handled better with audigy ,but not perfectly fixed.
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Can also be too large drumset.

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Out of topic .
I remember going crazy as certain larger drums were having LESS missing notes problems than smaller ones,
but back in the time i did'nt realise about "release" matter so it could have been that too.

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It's not much helpful i guess sorry.

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Tintin72

Sorry, I didn't read your signature. Indeed you couldn't changed only the cpu. My apologies.

I tried the new config with SB live 5.1 instead Audigy and issue
still occurs.
I can't tell for the Audigy (I bought it just one month ago) but I'm
pretty sure regarding SB Live, I used it during 5 years and never had
such problem.
So it seems the issue come from my new config (Intel core duo, 4Go RAM, Asus mobo)
but from wich piece (cpu, ram, mobo or 3 of them), I really can't say.
It's a very tricky problem and I would need more informations about interactivity
between pc parts, soundcard and KX drivers.
I also would need to perform tests with my old config and the Audigy in order
to be absolutely sure that issue doesn't come from the card, but it request
time and I don't have much for now.

So if you have any informations (or hunch) regarding that issue please let me know.

mrvomit

well i have the same missing notes problem still .
If i load the same drum with sfz (inside sonar) ,
the drum sound gets a lot louder and seems to load almost another drum
(snare sounds completely different ,all the drums sound "fuller" perhaps actually ,and need to be re-tweaked).

ALso VELOCITiES are triggered completely differently
(in sfz 're lot louder )
I suspect Sfz read them "correctly" and i just got used to the "attenuated" sound loaded through hardware .

By the way ,not on the matter ,but i always used sonar to load soundfont and never the ksfi so its not related to that part..
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As i told you i had he same problem with the previous card.

My "problem" is th. loading sfz take 10% of the cpu just with 1 instance, unless lowering the polyphony (For the drum it could be bearable ,depending how many layer/samples per seconds is using the soundfont i guess),
and also lowering the quality (minimum quality called "draft" in sfz)

that's why i'd hoped soundfont part of the driver would have developed better with latest release,
but people here told me it was pretty much the same.

Perhaps i should pose the question in the general part of the forum ,
where seem to get more attention to read if other users experienced the same .

Never understood why that part was so understimated ,since it saves so much % of the cpu leaving room for other instance of vstis and so on.

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