Soundfont timing and/or velocity problem

thechris · Oct 31, 2003, 03:09 AM

Hi all,

I have a system with an ablive card and run sonar 2xl.

I'm having a problem with soundfonts after installing the driver 3535 and 3534 (the only ones I have tried lately). In all of my recordings, the soundfonts partially play like there is a velocity or sensitivity difference from the original-- some drums play, others do not. I set the drum track ( I only am using the midi for drums) to all max velocity and it still sounds funny. It is like some drum hits just get left out. Sounds like a drunk drummer. They sound fine on the creative driver.

I haven't tried doing a new recording with the kx drivers.. but I dont think that is really fixing the problem -- even if it does work fine when recorded and played on the same drivers.

I'm really wanting to take advantage of the kx drivers, and this is driving me nuts. I had tried this a while (perhaps a year) back and had the same problem.

I have looked around the site, the net - etc. what am I missing???

Thanks

HunterZ · Oct 31, 2003, 03:40 AM

Is it possible that the length of your drum notes is set to 0? After I went from the Creative to the kX drivers, I noticed that the drums were silent in some of my SONAR songs. I then realized (by opening the drum track in the Event Manager) that it was because the length of the drum notes was very short, and kX seems to not play drum notes if they are too short while the Creative drivers seem to ignore the length of drum notes more or less.

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Nov 1, 2003, 12:07 AM

yep, kX currently doesn't handle short drum notes properly
-- to be fixed in the future

/E

thechris · Nov 1, 2003, 02:41 AM

Thanks for the replys. I'm not a midi expert, I have more of an audio background. When you all are saying "short notes", how short are we talking? These are not death/speed metal drums.

I had this same problem like... a year or two ago with these drivers and had to revert back. I really need these drivers for the audio capabilities.. but with out the practice drumset things just dont go too well recording music...

Thanks

HunterZ · Nov 1, 2003, 03:54 AM

Eugene: be sure to let us know when it's fixed

thechris: In my experience with SONAR and kX, a length of "0" means a drum sound won't play, while "1" or longer will play.

It's a pain in SONAR because you can only change lengths in two ways: by percentage (but 200% of 0 is still 0!) or one note at a time (takes forever if you have a lot of notes to change)

thechris · Nov 1, 2003, 02:50 PM

Thanks!, I started looking through various project files last night and was noticing the pattern. Anyone know of a cal script that will work this out for me? I could write one, but It would take me days.

Thanks

HunterZ · Nov 1, 2003, 06:14 PM

Well I've only been vaguely aware of CAL scripts until now, but your mention of it has inspired me to use my programming skills to take 5 minutes to whip something up. Paste the code below into Notepad and save it as a filename ending in .CAL. Then open your song, select any parts of it that need to be fixed (or the whole thing - it won't hurt it) and Run this CAL script on it to change any 0 note durations to a duration of 1. I tested it on a song of mine that needed to be fixed and it works. Enjoy:

Code:

;; Fix Zero Duration.cal
;;
;; By Ben Shadwick (aka HunterZ)
;;
;; Based on Scale Velocity.cal included with SONAR 2.2 XL
;; Change the value on the line (= Note.Dur #) to have a different
;;  duration be set

(do
	(include "need20.cal")	; Require version 2.0 or higher of CAL

	(forEachEvent
		(if (== Event.Kind NOTE)
			(if (== Note.Dur 0)
				(do
					(= Note.Dur 1)
				)
			)
		)
	)
)

EDIT: I forgot to put code tags around it so that the indentation would be preserved.

thechris · Nov 4, 2003, 03:50 AM

thanks -- I'll give it a shot

Oct 31, 2003, 03:09 AM	#1
thechris DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Soundfont timing and/or velocity problem Hi all, I have a system with an ablive card and run sonar 2xl. I'm having a problem with soundfonts after installing the driver 3535 and 3534 (the only ones I have tried lately). In all of my recordings, the soundfonts partially play like there is a velocity or sensitivity difference from the original-- some drums play, others do not. I set the drum track ( I only am using the midi for drums) to all max velocity and it still sounds funny. It is like some drum hits just get left out. Sounds like a drunk drummer. They sound fine on the creative driver. I haven't tried doing a new recording with the kx drivers.. but I dont think that is really fixing the problem -- even if it does work fine when recorded and played on the same drivers. I'm really wanting to take advantage of the kx drivers, and this is driving me nuts. I had tried this a while (perhaps a year) back and had the same problem. I have looked around the site, the net - etc. what am I missing??? Thanks

Oct 31, 2003, 03:40 AM	#2
HunterZ DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Seattle, USA Posts: 257 Rep Power: 0	Is it possible that the length of your drum notes is set to 0? After I went from the Creative to the kX drivers, I noticed that the drums were silent in some of my SONAR songs. I then realized (by opening the drum track in the Event Manager) that it was because the length of the drum notes was very short, and kX seems to not play drum notes if they are too short while the Creative drivers seem to ignore the length of drum notes more or less. __________________ Athlon XP 3200+, Gigabyte GA7N-400Pro2 Rev 2.0 (nVidia nForce2 chipset), 1 GB DDR400 (CAS 2.0, dual-channel), ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB AGP 8x, WinXP Pro SP2, DX9.0c., Logitech Z-5500 5.1 speakers

Nov 1, 2003, 02:41 AM	Thread Starter #4
thechris DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	short notes? Thanks for the replys. I'm not a midi expert, I have more of an audio background. When you all are saying "short notes", how short are we talking? These are not death/speed metal drums. I had this same problem like... a year or two ago with these drivers and had to revert back. I really need these drivers for the audio capabilities.. but with out the practice drumset things just dont go too well recording music... Thanks

Nov 1, 2003, 03:54 AM	#5
HunterZ DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Seattle, USA Posts: 257 Rep Power: 0	Eugene: be sure to let us know when it's fixed thechris: In my experience with SONAR and kX, a length of "0" means a drum sound won't play, while "1" or longer will play. It's a pain in SONAR because you can only change lengths in two ways: by percentage (but 200% of 0 is still 0!) or one note at a time (takes forever if you have a lot of notes to change) __________________ Athlon XP 3200+, Gigabyte GA7N-400Pro2 Rev 2.0 (nVidia nForce2 chipset), 1 GB DDR400 (CAS 2.0, dual-channel), ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB AGP 8x, WinXP Pro SP2, DX9.0c., Logitech Z-5500 5.1 speakers

Nov 1, 2003, 02:50 PM	Thread Starter #6
thechris DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	short notes Thanks!, I started looking through various project files last night and was noticing the pattern. Anyone know of a cal script that will work this out for me? I could write one, but It would take me days. Thanks

Nov 1, 2003, 12:07 AM	#3
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	yep, kX currently doesn't handle short drum notes properly -- to be fixed in the future /E

Nov 1, 2003, 06:14 PM	#7
HunterZ DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Seattle, USA Posts: 257 Rep Power: 0	Well I've only been vaguely aware of CAL scripts until now, but your mention of it has inspired me to use my programming skills to take 5 minutes to whip something up. Paste the code below into Notepad and save it as a filename ending in .CAL. Then open your song, select any parts of it that need to be fixed (or the whole thing - it won't hurt it) and Run this CAL script on it to change any 0 note durations to a duration of 1. I tested it on a song of mine that needed to be fixed and it works. Enjoy: Code: ;; Fix Zero Duration.cal ;; ;; By Ben Shadwick (aka HunterZ) ;; ;; Based on Scale Velocity.cal included with SONAR 2.2 XL ;; Change the value on the line (= Note.Dur #) to have a different ;; duration be set (do (include "need20.cal") ; Require version 2.0 or higher of CAL (forEachEvent (if (== Event.Kind NOTE) (if (== Note.Dur 0) (do (= Note.Dur 1) ) ) ) ) ) EDIT: I forgot to put code tags around it so that the indentation would be preserved. __________________ Athlon XP 3200+, Gigabyte GA7N-400Pro2 Rev 2.0 (nVidia nForce2 chipset), 1 GB DDR400 (CAS 2.0, dual-channel), ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB AGP 8x, WinXP Pro SP2, DX9.0c., Logitech Z-5500 5.1 speakers Last edited by HunterZ; Nov 4, 2003 at 05:54 AM.

Nov 4, 2003, 03:50 AM	Thread Starter #8
thechris DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	thanks -- I'll give it a shot