NEW: kXSFi - a VSTi Soundfont manager for Cubase SX

PITmaster · Dec 29, 2004, 12:43 PM

> Hmm,... Which SX version?
That's 2.0.2

>What do you mean? Does kX mixer only crash when you use kXSFi?
In general kXMixer crashes sometimes when I load different setings. I load it always from DSP window. But my all setings contain complete data except soundfont information. I remember it crashed one or more times also when I tried kXSFi with CSX. I'll test it more to be sure.

>What kX driver version do you use?
That's 3537final with UFX. UFX is used with all setings.

PITmaster

Lex Nahumury · Dec 29, 2004, 07:58 PM

Hmm,...That is all very strange, especialy those kxmixer crashes.
Judging from your information this is not directly kXSFi related.
If kxmixer crashes during DSP loading, there is definitly something else wrong.

/LeMury

PITmaster · Dec 29, 2004, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMury

Hmm,...That is all very strange, especialy those kxmixer crashes.
Judging from your information this is not directly kXSFi related.
If kxmixer crashes during DSP loading, there is definitly something else wrong.

/LeMury

This time works good. But still from time to time get erros loading setups like these:
www.gdynia.mm.pl/~MMmaster/error1.jpg
www.gdynia.mm.pl/~MMmaster/error2.jpg

But I guess, it's another problem and has nothing to your great plugin.

PITmaster

Lex Nahumury · Dec 30, 2004, 05:17 AM

If this is what you get when (re)loading a DSP setup,
it looks like some DSP plugins version incompatibility,
wrong GUID's or corrupted kX installation.
Best way to check this, is by resetting all kx stuff, (or re-install)
and try load some test DSP setup using only the 'standard' 3537 plugins.
Then load/reload to see if the crashes also occurs.

/LeMury

PITmaster · Jan 4, 2005, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMury

If this is what you get when (re)loading a DSP setup,
it looks like some DSP plugins version incompatibility,
wrong GUID's or corrupted kX installation.
Best way to check this, is by resetting all kx stuff, (or re-install)
and try load some test DSP setup using only the 'standard' 3537 plugins.
Then load/reload to see if the crashes also occurs.

/LeMury

After kXMixer crash I always get info: system waits for "kX Remote" application ending when I try to restart or shoutdown windows. Application never ends, in fact and hard reset is required.

kXMixer and Cubase crash always when VSTi works abnormally. BTW, FLStudio is more resistible for this kind errors. Specially information about VST problem is just displayed and VST reload is enough.

After Cubase crashing, its next start is impossible without system reset. Cubase's initiation hangs on "MIDI resources".

A think it's a kind of kX Automation bug. I decided to use kX automation with my setups and problem appeared with it.

Do anybody realy use kX Automation except me?

PITmaster

thenoizzbox · Jan 4, 2005, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMury

Luciobleus,
>>I've tried to use it under Sonar 3, via Cakewalk Vst Adapter...

Why would you use this VSTi? Sonar's internal soundfont loader works great!

I use the sfz Soundfont player in Sonar 4 and Acid Pro 4.0f myself because it can load Soundfonts by streaming them directly from disk thus bypassing any size limitations. I also prefer using a VSTi to play Soundfonts because I can then process the sound as audio and add any effects I want

This means I can slightly compress drum Soundfonts and make them louder

http://www.rgcaudio.com/sfz.htm

Font! 1.2 is another VSTi SoundFont player I use occasionally:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jez.price/synths.htm

Cheers!

StÃ©phane

PITmaster · Jan 4, 2005, 05:49 PM

Yes, I know sfz. It's realy very good. And you're right using it is more comfortable.

But, try to think about hardware synths like real analog instruments pluged to your line-ins. Try to imagine how musicians worked some years before, without VST. They thought about making music, not about compression, plugins etc.

It just excites me.

PITmaster

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Jan 7, 2005, 02:59 AM

>> "kX Remote" application

yes, this happens sometimes. however, you should be able to click 'end task' successfully

>> crashes

there are several incompatible DSP effects present in your system
uninstall the drivers and re-install them

E.

PITmaster · Jan 14, 2005, 10:31 PM

Working with kXSFi multicards version, Synth2 wotks only with bank 0. I've found that because I use my second card only for midi and Synth2 is routed to FXBus4/5. After loading sf to kXSFi I love to choose Synth2 instead kXSFi to route sound through FXBus4/5 to to filter controlled by any free CC. That's very good solution but works only with bank 0 :/

PITmaster

Lex Nahumury · Jan 15, 2005, 05:38 PM

I'll have a look at the Multi card support.
However, since user interest towards hardware SoundFont support is very low,
it won't be a priority.

/LeMury

PITmaster · Jan 15, 2005, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMury

I'll have a look at the Multi card support.
However, since user interest towards hardware SoundFont support is very low,
it won't be a priority.

Thanks

PITmaster

PITmaster · Jan 21, 2005, 11:15 PM

So, I've found more. Synth2 works only with bank 0 and first preset from it.
In general, I guess a synth selection before sf loading will be veeeery useful, alike a card selection is now.

LeMury, is it a lot of work, please?
I've read about your new MX6. It looks great. I'm also very happy about that. And I realize you are working on it now. But please, do not close kXSFi project yet.

PITmaster

Lex Nahumury · Jan 22, 2005, 09:49 AM

Quote:

LeMury, is it a lot of work, please?

Before I can test/debug kXSFi multi-card stuff I firts have to reinstall a second card
which currently kinda conflicts with my other (also not kX related) projects.

Quote:

I've read about your new MX6. It looks great.

Yes, you could test the MX6 automation for me if you like.

Quote:

But please, do not close kXSFi project yet.

Don't worry I won't.
It's just that I've spent to much time on the 'SoundFont attack issue'
whitout solving it entirely and the small user interest in soundfonts in general
which makes proper sf support a low priority.

/LeMury

PITmaster · Jan 22, 2005, 10:29 AM

> Before I can test/debug kXSFi multi-card stuff I firts have to reinstall a second card
> which currently kinda conflicts with my other (also not kX related) projects.
Of course, I understand.

> Yes, you could test the MX6 automation for me if you like.
Necessarily! I will. I love kX's automation in fact.

> Don't worry I won't.
Super, I'm easy now

> It's just that I've spent to much time on the 'SoundFont attack issue'
> whitout solving it entirely and the small user interest in soundfonts in general
> which makes proper sf support a low priority.
Sure, the 'SoundFont attack is also very important point.

Thanx for answer, LeMury.
PITmaster

matthesax · Feb 2, 2005, 12:29 PM

I`ve downloaded the new kxsfi - it works fine on my system.
I know that soundfonts are a low priority - but this loader will help no end.
Thanks to everyone involved in the kx project, cos without ya I'd have binned my APS card.

Lex Nahumury · Feb 2, 2005, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthesax

..- it works fine on my system.
... - but this loader will help no end.

What do you mean with; "..but this loader will help no end.."?
Typo?

/LeMury

Samir · Feb 2, 2005, 11:54 PM

Endless help?!?

trevbushell · Feb 7, 2005, 06:41 PM

hello,
im a new user of this forum and am new to kx driver. i have emu aps which is from yesterday being run from windows XP and the kx drivers. im not sure if i am having the same problem???

basically when i load soundfont banks into kx, i then access them from cubase sx and i can hear the soundfont voices and change them if the midi channel is on 'ANY'. as soon as i want to add another sound into a different cubase track i can ony change the sound by going again into midi 'ANY' and all the other sounds change too!!!
SO MY QUESTION IS>>>>How do you use more than one soundfont in cubase sx/ I am at a loss and would really appreciate help. i am new at this so am not very techie!!! sorry
trev

PITmaster · Feb 7, 2005, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trevbushell

hello,
basically when i load soundfont banks into kx, i then access them from cubase sx and i can hear the soundfont voices and change them if the midi channel is on 'ANY'. as soon as i want to add another sound into a different cubase track i can ony change the sound by going again into midi 'ANY' and all the other sounds change too!!!
SO MY QUESTION IS>>>>How do you use more than one soundfont in cubase sx/ I am at a loss and would really appreciate help. i am new at this so am not very techie!!! sorry
trev

Use KxSFi - special VSTi plugin/sf manager for kX drivers with Cubase.

PITmaster

trevbushell · Feb 7, 2005, 09:32 PM

thanks very much. greta to have a forum to help with this stuff, really appreciate it!!

i have spent the last 2 hrs reading the whole thread and have got an idea of what to do....

i have the kxsfi 1.0.4 3537 in vst pluginfolder and the sfm.dll 4.6.0.501 50kb in windows/system/32. i have alsocopied MSVCP60D.DLL to my \windows\system32 folder

ican see the soundfonts and when i press the keyboard i can see the midi out activity but no sound??

have i missed something? or do i need to have the 3kxsfi 3538?

Lex Nahumury · Feb 8, 2005, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trevbushell

i have the kxsfi 1.0.4 3537 in vst pluginfolder and the sfm.dll 4.6.0.501 50kb in windows/system/32. i have alsocopied MSVCP60D.DLL to my \windows\system32 folder

You should not have done all that..! Those actions are obsolete!
kXSFi is standard included and installed by kX driver version 3537 and higer.

/LeMury

Lex Nahumury · Feb 8, 2005, 08:30 AM

Ok, I've cleaned up a bit.

Latest (beta) kXSFi downloads and instructions are in the firts post of this thread..!

/LeMury

musicteacher · Jun 16, 2005, 03:08 PM

I created a template with the output routed to the KxSFi VSTi, but when I create a new project using it, Cubase just crashes and dissappears immediately!!

Basically I want to avoid loading the soundfonts within KxSFi each time Cubase is opened - eventually I want other users (students at my school) to be able to log on and just get going straight away without having to load anything (they can't do that as they have restricted access and can't access the C drive anyway).

(using kx 3537)

Lex Nahumury · Jun 16, 2005, 03:52 PM

I don't have SE at my disposal, so I can't test/confirm your report.
(anyone else?)
Store/restore KXSFi from template in Cubase SX seems to work fine here
although I don't have multiple accounts to test.

I don't know if SE exhibits the same 'Soundfont Preset Name' issue as SX.
If not, you'd be better of using 'standard' kX Sounfont loader instead.

/LeMury

musicteacher · Jun 16, 2005, 10:12 PM

Thanks for that - will give it a try!

sonicfire1980 · Aug 8, 2006, 12:19 AM

Any news on this?

And, do you plan to add support for BOTH kxsynths? Since its stupid to have a full sampleplayback engine leaving unused http://www.hardwareheaven.com/images/s...big%20grin.gif

Lex Nahumury · Aug 8, 2006, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonicfire1980

Since its stupid to have a full sampleplayback engine leaving unused

I would say it's "stupid" to think that there are "..2 full sampleplayback engines.." to start with.

Using 1 kxsynth does *not* mean you use only 'half' of polyphonie and/or 'half' of available sample memory.

Vica versa, using 2 kxsynths does not double polyphonie nor available sample memory.

sonicfire1980 · Aug 8, 2006, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex Nahumury

I would say it's "stupid" to think that there are "..2 full sampleplayback engines.." to start with.

Using 1 kxsynth does *not* mean you use only 'half' of polyphonie and/or 'half' of available sample memory.

Vica versa, using 2 kxsynths does not double polyphonie nor available sample memory.

Sorry, it wasn´t meant to sound rude

I wasn´t aware of that!

Maddogg6 · Aug 8, 2006, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex Nahumury

I would say it's "stupid" to think that there are "..2 full sampleplayback engines.." to start with.

Using 1 kxsynth does *not* mean you use only 'half' of polyphonie and/or 'half' of available sample memory.

Vica versa, using 2 kxsynths does not double polyphonie nor available sample memory.

Wait.... having 2 seperate synths DOES increase how many unique patches accessed at 1 time - 16 Midi channels X 2 ... or is this also not true?

sonicfire1980 · Aug 8, 2006, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maddogg6

Wait.... having 2 seperate synths DOES increase how many unique patches accessed at 1 time - 16 Midi channels X 2 ... or is this also not true?

Yes, that´s right - but i thougth that Synth1 & 2 are independet Synths/Engines, each with its own (64 Voice?) polyphony...

Feb 2, 2005, 12:29 PM	#195
matthesax DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	kxsfi - thanks a bunch! I`ve downloaded the new kxsfi - it works fine on my system. I know that soundfonts are a low priority - but this loader will help no end. Thanks to everyone involved in the kx project, cos without ya I'd have binned my APS card.

Feb 2, 2005, 11:54 PM	#197
Samir kX Lover Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 520 Rep Power: 0	Endless help?!? __________________ MU3NKA 3A HAPO6!

Feb 7, 2005, 06:41 PM	#198
trevbushell DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: portsmouth, england Posts: 323 Rep Power: 0	hello, im a new user of this forum and am new to kx driver. i have emu aps which is from yesterday being run from windows XP and the kx drivers. im not sure if i am having the same problem??? basically when i load soundfont banks into kx, i then access them from cubase sx and i can hear the soundfont voices and change them if the midi channel is on 'ANY'. as soon as i want to add another sound into a different cubase track i can ony change the sound by going again into midi 'ANY' and all the other sounds change too!!! SO MY QUESTION IS>>>>How do you use more than one soundfont in cubase sx/ I am at a loss and would really appreciate help. i am new at this so am not very techie!!! sorry trev Last edited by trevbushell; Feb 7, 2005 at 07:36 PM.

Feb 7, 2005, 09:32 PM	#200
trevbushell DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: portsmouth, england Posts: 323 Rep Power: 0	thanks thanks very much. greta to have a forum to help with this stuff, really appreciate it!! i have spent the last 2 hrs reading the whole thread and have got an idea of what to do.... i have the kxsfi 1.0.4 3537 in vst pluginfolder and the sfm.dll 4.6.0.501 50kb in windows/system/32. i have alsocopied MSVCP60D.DLL to my \windows\system32 folder ican see the soundfonts and when i press the keyboard i can see the midi out activity but no sound?? have i missed something? or do i need to have the 3kxsfi 3538? Last edited by trevbushell; Feb 7, 2005 at 09:53 PM.

Jun 16, 2005, 03:08 PM	#203
musicteacher DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Using KsSFi in Cubase SE template I created a template with the output routed to the KxSFi VSTi, but when I create a new project using it, Cubase just crashes and dissappears immediately!! Basically I want to avoid loading the soundfonts within KxSFi each time Cubase is opened - eventually I want other users (students at my school) to be able to log on and just get going straight away without having to load anything (they can't do that as they have restricted access and can't access the C drive anyway). (using kx 3537)

Dec 29, 2004, 12:43 PM	#181
PITmaster DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 266 Rep Power: 0	> Hmm,... Which SX version? That's 2.0.2 >What do you mean? Does kX mixer only crash when you use kXSFi? In general kXMixer crashes sometimes when I load different setings. I load it always from DSP window. But my all setings contain complete data except soundfont information. I remember it crashed one or more times also when I tried kXSFi with CSX. I'll test it more to be sure. >What kX driver version do you use? That's 3537final with UFX. UFX is used with all setings. PITmaster

Dec 29, 2004, 07:58 PM	Thread Starter #182
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,930 Rep Power: 62	Hmm,...That is all very strange, especialy those kxmixer crashes. Judging from your information this is not directly kXSFi related. If kxmixer crashes during DSP loading, there is definitly something else wrong. /LeMury

Dec 30, 2004, 05:17 AM	Thread Starter #184
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,930 Rep Power: 62	If this is what you get when (re)loading a DSP setup, it looks like some DSP plugins version incompatibility, wrong GUID's or corrupted kX installation. Best way to check this, is by resetting all kx stuff, (or re-install) and try load some test DSP setup using only the 'standard' 3537 plugins. Then load/reload to see if the crashes also occurs. /LeMury

Jan 4, 2005, 05:49 PM	#187
PITmaster DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 266 Rep Power: 0	Yes, I know sfz. It's realy very good. And you're right using it is more comfortable. But, try to think about hardware synths like real analog instruments pluged to your line-ins. Try to imagine how musicians worked some years before, without VST. They thought about making music, not about compression, plugins etc. It just excites me. PITmaster

Jan 7, 2005, 02:59 AM	#188
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,106 Rep Power: 73	>> "kX Remote" application yes, this happens sometimes. however, you should be able to click 'end task' successfully >> crashes there are several incompatible DSP effects present in your system uninstall the drivers and re-install them E.

Jan 14, 2005, 10:31 PM	#189
PITmaster DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 266 Rep Power: 0	Working with kXSFi multicards version, Synth2 wotks only with bank 0. I've found that because I use my second card only for midi and Synth2 is routed to FXBus4/5. After loading sf to kXSFi I love to choose Synth2 instead kXSFi to route sound through FXBus4/5 to to filter controlled by any free CC. That's very good solution but works only with bank 0 :/ PITmaster

Jan 15, 2005, 05:38 PM	Thread Starter #190
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,930 Rep Power: 62	I'll have a look at the Multi card support. However, since user interest towards hardware SoundFont support is very low, it won't be a priority. /LeMury

Jan 21, 2005, 11:15 PM	#192
PITmaster DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 266 Rep Power: 0	So, I've found more. Synth2 works only with bank 0 and first preset from it. In general, I guess a synth selection before sf loading will be veeeery useful, alike a card selection is now. LeMury, is it a lot of work, please? I've read about your new MX6. It looks great. I'm also very happy about that. And I realize you are working on it now. But please, do not close kXSFi project yet. PITmaster

Jan 22, 2005, 10:29 AM	#194
PITmaster DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 266 Rep Power: 0	> Before I can test/debug kXSFi multi-card stuff I firts have to reinstall a second card > which currently kinda conflicts with my other (also not kX related) projects. Of course, I understand. > Yes, you could test the MX6 automation for me if you like. Necessarily! I will. I love kX's automation in fact. > Don't worry I won't. Super, I'm easy now > It's just that I've spent to much time on the 'SoundFont attack issue' > whitout solving it entirely and the small user interest in soundfonts in general > which makes proper sf support a low priority. Sure, the 'SoundFont attack is also very important point. Thanx for answer, LeMury. PITmaster

Feb 8, 2005, 08:30 AM	Thread Starter #202
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,930 Rep Power: 62	Ok, I've cleaned up a bit. Latest (beta) kXSFi downloads and instructions are in the firts post of this thread..! /LeMury

Jun 16, 2005, 03:52 PM	Thread Starter #204
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,930 Rep Power: 62	I don't have SE at my disposal, so I can't test/confirm your report. (anyone else?) Store/restore KXSFi from template in Cubase SX seems to work fine here although I don't have multiple accounts to test. I don't know if SE exhibits the same 'Soundfont Preset Name' issue as SX. If not, you'd be better of using 'standard' kX Sounfont loader instead. /LeMury

Jun 16, 2005, 10:12 PM	#205
musicteacher DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for that - will give it a try!

Aug 8, 2006, 12:19 AM	#206
sonicfire1980 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Any news on this? And, do you plan to add support for BOTH kxsynths? Since its stupid to have a full sampleplayback engine leaving unused http://www.hardwareheaven.com/images/s...big%20grin.gif Last edited by sonicfire1980; Aug 8, 2006 at 12:33 AM.