Gavin24

Please help -

I have Cubase SX set up, with an Audigy 2 soundcard. Due to the ASIO driver problems with the Audigy as previously discussed on this site, I am using the kX Driver, which is great. Only problem is that my midi sounds are fine when I play them, but when playing back recorded midi I get a kind of echo sound, though the echo is at the beginning of the note rather than the end. In other words I get a sort of double hit on each note. It sounds to me like it is some kind of latency issue, like it is playing a note instantly from somewhere then the recorded not over the top with a milisecond of delay.

Has anyone else experienced this and have the answer? I've looked all through the manuals and other posts on here but can't get to the bottom of it - probably something really simple that I just haven't clicked though (I hope!).

Thanks a lot,

Gavin

NightBreed

In Cubase, Just turn off the playback or mute, the Audio track that's being used as the recording. Your echo is coming from the audio source being bounced back, not the midi. Another thing you can do is to disconnect the audio part in the DSP window, to where ever it's connected as an output.

Or something along that line

Gavin24

Thanks very much! Not at home at the moment but will try this when I get back. I have asked about this a number of times and you are the first person who has had any idea what I am talking about, so thanks again!

Gavin24

Ok I am at home now and still stuck with this? I don't really know how to do you what you say? Obviously I am only recording onto a midi track, not an audio track, so I don't really have anything to mute except the midi track itself, which will obviously give me no sound at all?

Sorry I am obviously not much of an expert in this - can you talk me through it in simple terms?

Many thanks

Gavin

dj_stick

are you trying to record the sounds of the midi or just the notes played?

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NightBreed

I think your problem may be, when you are playing back the midi, you may have to mute your midi tracks when playing back the recorded audio ones. That's if the recorded ones are audio and midi recorded.

linoleum

I have the same problem. If you look at the matrix you'll see that the notes that sounds bad are doubled. If you erase one of this notes, you'll see that there is another, and now it sounds good.
I don't know the real solution. Sorry.

Gavin24

Ok I finally have this sorted...there were double notes in the midi editor, and the problem came from the fact that I had "all midi inputs" selected on the midi input drop down menu, rather than my actual midi keyboard. It seemed to be picking the signals up from 2 sources, one with a slight delay. Hope this helps anyone with the same problem

Lex Nahumury

Well I'm glad you sorted this out yourself and more important,.. reported it back!

These "double midi notes" has never been a 'kX issue', but a known 'Cubase SX issue'.
See for details;
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...552#post343552

/LeMury

laowai

I'm getting a similar problem using the KX drivers with eMedia's Piano & Keyboard Method. When the program evaluates my playing (on a Yahama keyboard via SB Live MIDI port), it gives me very low scores because it claims that I *doubled* every single note in the piece ("You played C, C instead of C").

I've tried fiddling with the ASIO settings, but to no avail. Any idea what's going on here?

Laowai

dj_stick

ASIO settings will not affect MIDI - try selecting kX UART as the midi input

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paradiddle

Hello everybody. I'm new to this board!

I'm actually having the same problem with doubled notes. When I play with the midi controller, you don't hear doubled notes but when you record it, you get a phasing effect. A look at the piano roll shows that the notes are doubled.

I'm using logic pc 5.51 and I also have another card the audiophile but I don't have this problem with that card. Both cards are on the same pc. Can't figure out how to get rid of this.

Win XP p3 1.2 ghz using ASIO mostly.

Thank you!

perleeze

Just to confirm everyone's suspicion. I'm using sonar 3 and cubase sx through an audigy2 plat ex. The midi notes are always repeated twice. Somewhere something in there is echoing the midi notes back and is recorded.

perleeze

Digging a bit deeper, on an audigy 2 plat ex.

Recording from uart2 ch 1, the notes are always zero duration notes. When selecting the uart control input, the notes are fine and don't have a doubled midi note. Hope this helps everyone out there. So i recommend those having the double notes to select this as the midi input instead.

I always thought the uart2 uart1 corresponded to the midi ports. So this is a legit midi bug yes?

wmjordan

Hey there.

I am another guy who comes to this queue. I also meet with this problem during play recording. However, I am not using Cubase. I use Cakewalk Sonar 3. My problem is just the same as Gavin have said.

It seems that KX is great at Wave audio things, but lousy when handling MIDI things.

dj_stick

UART 1 would be the gameport on the soundcard
UART 2 is the midi i/o on the live/audigy drive

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TravelRec.

Hi!

Strange that all. Recording since kX3533 and now with cubase 1.06 and never had any doubling of notes, sorry guys. kX works fine here with audio AND midi. Use both UART1 and 2 (appearing as "emulated") and all is very cool .

Greetings!

TravelRec.

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perleeze

Emulated ???

I've actually got all the midi ports hooked up uart 1 and 2, and another usb midi controller box, if that helps to clear things up.

wmjordan

Hmm... perhaps this is why the problem occurs.

Lex Nahumury

>>Hmm... perhaps this is why the problem occurs.
Yes, it is. As mentioned several times on this forum;
Cubase SX (and no doubt other sequencers) have their own peculiar
way to enumerate MIDI Ins & Outs.
SX uses both DIRECTX as well as WINMME interface to access available
midi ports. That is why they are listed twice and Steinberg came with
their 'ignoreportfilter' to "fix" this.

Anyway;
Setting your tracks midi input to 'all', =can= cause Cubase to read from
the directX and the winmme part/port of the midi driver at the same time,
causing double notes.

/LeMury

perleeze

I don't quite remember reading this in the faq. I can confirm that setting to all causes cubase sx2 to record double notes. On sonar3 it records zero length notes, and the actual note. Setting to just uart2, it records just zero length notes and on kx control, the actual notes are recorded. What is kx control ???

Lex Nahumury

>>I don't quite remember reading this in the faq.
That's correct because it is not a kX issue.
It has been discussed on this forum however.

>>What is kx control ???
This is a 'MIDI output' to control kX automation.
That is; you can control most of kX's DSP-plugins parameters with midi events.
Read the manual..

/LeMury

perleeze

Hehehe i skipped that part. Thousand apologies
Should i disable it then so that there are no more double notes? Or is there some other settings that can stop that double note issue on sonar?

While not a kx issue, it would be really helpful to many folks if that was included in the faq because it didn't happen when on the creative drivers.

Lex Nahumury

>>Should i disable it then so that there are no more double notes?
If you dont use kX control, yes why not.

>>While not a kx issue, it would be really helpful to many folks if that
>> was included in the faq because it didn't happen when on the creative
>>drivers.

Maybe, if there was some real proof that this phenomena is a 'kX only' matter.
As it is now, only a few people experience this.
(Most of the so called "bug reports" turn out to be user errors.. )
People can search/read/use this forum if they have such issues not covered by the FAQ.

/LeMury