would like to try a new sequencer.Any?

mrvomit · Sep 22, 2004, 01:26 PM

i ' always styckin with cakewalk (not Sonar) audio for 3 reasons:

1) i'm able to write confortable Midi just with the "SCORE" view(i don like piano-roll to write,i don "see" the music,i use it for editing the "already composed midi")
so i would need a Good score support

2) the "pencil tool" audio option, to correct MANUALLY the audio -wave (so i can correct manually some disturbing behaviors,instead to tryng always with "cleaner digital plugs) in the audio view.

3)soundfont support (to load more banks , and to choose between the patches , the instruments i need).

..But i begin to need to try vst real support,since a lot of plugs work just for that,and are buggy-not well developed for dx(cakewalk) versions.Plus ,i don have asio and its a pity.
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As for now, i 've tried:
- nuendo 2 :ORRIBLE score support ,i did'nt get any sound
from midi ( . when i write notes ,they get drawed at the wrong position).

-I 've installed nuendo 1.5.1 ,still to try. (but i doubt it has Score option).

- Pyramix

romising,but difficult like hell,sound recorded super awful,no found solutions,

-Sawstudio:no score ,no midi-cpmposition support.

it is also cubase sx ,dunno if it has score support,and manual-audio wave drawing-editing(i.e pencil tool).

Anyone can rate something for my needs ,its a while i'm losing night tring to find a replacement for cakewlk.
also i will try to use the famous here ksfi loader(when i find the "explication page):it can work with nuendio 1?

**dj_stick** · Sep 22, 2004, 01:28 PM

i use logic
its matrix editor is a piano roll, and it also has score functions
soundfonts can be loaded with the exs24 sampler (bypassing kX's soundfont attack issue)
and it has a full audio factory for waveshaping

mrvomit · Sep 22, 2004, 02:08 PM

i heard logic got stopped for pc, just Mac after 5.5

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i ve installed Cubase sx 2.
i cant'use the score there.

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.should better i open another thread to ask about score on Sx,since a lot of people seems to use it.

mrvomit · Sep 22, 2004, 02:36 PM

i will open a thread for score on sx..
regarding Logic,i will give it a try after i v'e tested Sx(but i would like the native 0 latency soundfont support)

mrvomit · Sep 22, 2004, 11:08 PM

after the first day of testing ...WHY ALL is so crappy?

i mean..no one program is supporting score writing :

cubase neither,in facts they introduced score in version 2 ,and is super-buggy i 've noticed.
The only thing working was the kx plugin soundfont manager written by lemury,but if i can't write the drum partthat jewel become useless..

plus,the metronome is out of sync .
how you can use that guys?
taste is taste ,but the act of composition is so long and less than intuitive in that way.uff.

I 'm so sad th. i have to abandon my hope to use asio and vst(i)s support.

.

i have still to try logic (i tried a while ago and didn't get ,but maybe now different)
Has Anyone an alternative that i can try ,some other asio app?

thomasabarnes · Sep 26, 2004, 07:41 AM

Hi mrvomit:

I'm wondering, because it's hard for me to understand what you're saying or asking in your posts. I can see that English is probably not your native language. Do you mean youre looking for a program you can write scores in (score meaning sheet music or music notation)? Well, I dont know of any great programs for writing sheet music that has ASIO support, but Finale is a program that is specifically created for the production of professional music notaion and score writing. Beginning with Finale 2004, Finale has support for importing and playing MIDI files. You can also enter notes to a score sheet in Finale by using a MIDI keyboard, and you can edit notes in the program.

From what I hear, Finale has a really steep learning curve, but it's probably the most capable program for music notation/score writing on the planet! Finale 2005 is released, already. You can read about Finale here: http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/

Also, I hear there's a more simple program to learn than Finale. That program is called Sibelius. I dont know much about it, but it's also a product made specifically for creating professional music notation and score writing. Finale and Sibelius are the 2 most popular products for creating music notation and performing professional score writing. Here's a site with some information on Sibelius: http://www.cleverjoe.com/articles/si..._notation.html

I was thinking you can use a program such as Sonar, Cubase, or Nuendo to make your MIDI files in and, then, export the MIDI files and import them into Finale to write your music notation or your score. On second thought, because you can write notes to a score sheet in Finale ( versions 2004 and 2005) by just playing a MIDI keboard, you may not need to use one of the above mentioned sequencers at all for music notation or score writing.

Maybe, you can go to the sites I've included in this post and read about the programs to see if they can be of help to you?

I hope this post is helpful to you.

Sincerely, thomasabarnes

mrvomit · Sep 26, 2004, 11:46 AM

Quote:

I'm wondering, because it's hard for me to understand what you're saying or asking in your posts

oh sorry,luckily(for me) usually the people understand what i'm meaning ,not-english people like me maybe off course.
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Thanks for your tips, but yes you did undertsood me wrong ,in fact.

i know finale and the others you kindly adviced me.

The problem is : COMPOSING in a sequencer, with AUDIO + midi (written THROUGH Score-editor).Cubase in that sense is buggy (or not well configured, second my effortss).
The best in that is cakewalk pro (not Sonar, worst in audio-editing's "freedom";it "locks" the recorded clips in a not editable window).But cakewalk pro DOES'NT have Asio, and NO vst(i) support.
For that reason , now i'm trying to learn Logic ,which can be promising to my needs.

Quote:

I was thinking you can use a program such as Sonar, Cubase, or Nuendo to make your MIDI files in and, then

i make the midi through score-editor ( a mental fact, i can only "think" in notes)
Logic is a bit difficult, but it seems i can in some way configure the drum editor (medium-long learning curve)

thomasabarnes · Sep 26, 2004, 11:53 AM

vomit:

LOL All that writing for nothing. OK, goodluck to you.

thomasabarnes

mrvomit · Sep 26, 2004, 01:24 PM

my blame (..bad english) ,anyway i did look to the links you gave me (never looked at sibelius infos)

s-p-a-c-e · Oct 2, 2004, 06:54 AM

I was reading this thread but not get it at all

What audio editing capabilities can Cakewalk Audio Pro have that Sonar doesn't?

Haven't have a problem that I couldn't solve with Sonar in a long time (specially version 3.1 which is great!). I really think that is a soft as good or better than Pro Tools (well...hardware available is another story). I don't miss my Cakewalk Pro Audio days at all...;-D

Anyway...I hope Mr. Vomit solves his problem.

Alex.

mrvomit · Oct 22, 2004, 08:36 PM

Quote:

What audio editing capabilities can Cakewalk Audio Pro have that Sonar doesn't

THE MANUAL EDITINg:
you can't draw manually the wave ,or to cut away part of the recorded-wave .

The almost useless tail of a recorded guitar part for example,i usually select and delete,then i put manually the zero -cross if i need(at the end of the part-misure),
so the sequencer has not to do it automatically (using cpu for nothing).

especially when you record patterns misure-by-misure,a complicate pattern

**dj_stick** · Oct 22, 2004, 11:43 PM

i use logic for sequencing and soundforge for waveshaping

mrvomit · Nov 10, 2004, 08:54 PM

after a lot of time (see my last ost), i did'nt got logic to work second my needs.

It is too difficult to write drum parts for me,due to different-from-cakewalk drum maps and way to write .

I'm tryng Sonar ( receiced today from a mate ), its quite troublesome ..i would like to post for help

**dj_stick** · Nov 10, 2004, 10:49 PM

use the matrix editor (ctrl 6) to write drum-maps

mrvomit · Nov 11, 2004, 07:21 AM

i 've written (damn i forgot how)..i write drum like score,and i use the "roland gs instrument" definition of cakewalk.

But a lot of times when i place the drum note in the pentagram ,

the note get not placed correctly on the score editor.and the Logic move by itself the note where he wants..a bit buggy.

So i got installed sonar,and i will keep both for a while .

litle question:

I want to SAVE apart the FILE containing the CUSTOM-Drum Map created
..WHERE is it stored /located ? (i.e what estension has it?)

..So if i reinstall Logic i don have to waste 6 hours again of mapping (and i forgot how to map also..blerr)

Sep 22, 2004, 01:26 PM	#1
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	would like to try a new sequencer.Any? i ' always styckin with cakewalk (not Sonar) audio for 3 reasons: 1) i'm able to write confortable Midi just with the "SCORE" view(i don like piano-roll to write,i don "see" the music,i use it for editing the "already composed midi") so i would need a Good score support 2) the "pencil tool" audio option, to correct MANUALLY the audio -wave (so i can correct manually some disturbing behaviors,instead to tryng always with "cleaner digital plugs) in the audio view. 3)soundfont support (to load more banks , and to choose between the patches , the instruments i need). ..But i begin to need to try vst real support,since a lot of plugs work just for that,and are buggy-not well developed for dx(cakewalk) versions.Plus ,i don have asio and its a pity. ------------- As for now, i 've tried: - nuendo 2 :ORRIBLE score support ,i did'nt get any sound from midi ( . when i write notes ,they get drawed at the wrong position). -I 've installed nuendo 1.5.1 ,still to try. (but i doubt it has Score option). - Pyramix romising,but difficult like hell,sound recorded super awful,no found solutions, -Sawstudio:no score ,no midi-cpmposition support. it is also cubase sx ,dunno if it has score support,and manual-audio wave drawing-editing(i.e pencil tool). Anyone can rate something for my needs ,its a while i'm losing night tring to find a replacement for cakewlk. also i will try to use the famous here ksfi loader(when i find the "explication page):it can work with nuendio 1? __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Sep 22, 2004, 02:08 PM	Thread Starter #3
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	i heard logic got stopped for pc, just Mac after 5.5 ----------------------------------------------------- i ve installed Cubase sx 2. i cant'use the score there. --- .should better i open another thread to ask about score on Sx,since a lot of people seems to use it. __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP Last edited by mrvomit; Sep 22, 2004 at 02:39 PM.

Sep 22, 2004, 02:36 PM	Thread Starter #4
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	i will open a thread for score on sx.. regarding Logic,i will give it a try after i v'e tested Sx(but i would like the native 0 latency soundfont support) __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Sep 22, 2004, 11:08 PM	Thread Starter #5
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	after the first day of testing ...WHY ALL is so crappy? i mean..no one program is supporting score writing : cubase neither,in facts they introduced score in version 2 ,and is super-buggy i 've noticed. The only thing working was the kx plugin soundfont manager written by lemury,but if i can't write the drum partthat jewel become useless.. plus,the metronome is out of sync . how you can use that guys? taste is taste ,but the act of composition is so long and less than intuitive in that way.uff. I 'm so sad th. i have to abandon my hope to use asio and vst(i)s support. . i have still to try logic (i tried a while ago and didn't get ,but maybe now different) Has Anyone an alternative that i can try ,some other asio app? __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP Last edited by mrvomit; Sep 22, 2004 at 11:58 PM.

Sep 26, 2004, 07:41 AM	#6
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,375 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Hi mrvomit: I'm wondering, because it's hard for me to understand what you're saying or asking in your posts. I can see that English is probably not your native language. Do you mean youre looking for a program you can write scores in (score meaning sheet music or music notation)? Well, I dont know of any great programs for writing sheet music that has ASIO support, but Finale is a program that is specifically created for the production of professional music notaion and score writing. Beginning with Finale 2004, Finale has support for importing and playing MIDI files. You can also enter notes to a score sheet in Finale by using a MIDI keyboard, and you can edit notes in the program. From what I hear, Finale has a really steep learning curve, but it's probably the most capable program for music notation/score writing on the planet! Finale 2005 is released, already. You can read about Finale here: http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/ Also, I hear there's a more simple program to learn than Finale. That program is called Sibelius. I dont know much about it, but it's also a product made specifically for creating professional music notation and score writing. Finale and Sibelius are the 2 most popular products for creating music notation and performing professional score writing. Here's a site with some information on Sibelius: http://www.cleverjoe.com/articles/si..._notation.html I was thinking you can use a program such as Sonar, Cubase, or Nuendo to make your MIDI files in and, then, export the MIDI files and import them into Finale to write your music notation or your score. On second thought, because you can write notes to a score sheet in Finale ( versions 2004 and 2005) by just playing a MIDI keboard, you may not need to use one of the above mentioned sequencers at all for music notation or score writing. Maybe, you can go to the sites I've included in this post and read about the programs to see if they can be of help to you? I hope this post is helpful to you. Sincerely, thomasabarnes __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. SONAR X1D Expanded, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB x2 HDD 7200 rpm My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs Last edited by thomasabarnes; Sep 26, 2004 at 07:53 AM.

Sep 26, 2004, 11:53 AM	#8
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,375 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	vomit: LOL All that writing for nothing. OK, goodluck to you. thomasabarnes __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. SONAR X1D Expanded, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB x2 HDD 7200 rpm My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs

Sep 26, 2004, 01:24 PM	Thread Starter #9
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	my blame (..bad english) ,anyway i did look to the links you gave me (never looked at sibelius infos) __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Oct 2, 2004, 06:54 AM	#10
s-p-a-c-e DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	I was reading this thread but not get it at all What audio editing capabilities can Cakewalk Audio Pro have that Sonar doesn't? Haven't have a problem that I couldn't solve with Sonar in a long time (specially version 3.1 which is great!). I really think that is a soft as good or better than Pro Tools (well...hardware available is another story). I don't miss my Cakewalk Pro Audio days at all...;-D Anyway...I hope Mr. Vomit solves his problem. Alex.

Nov 10, 2004, 08:54 PM	Thread Starter #13
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	after a lot of time (see my last ost), i did'nt got logic to work second my needs. It is too difficult to write drum parts for me,due to different-from-cakewalk drum maps and way to write . I'm tryng Sonar ( receiced today from a mate ), its quite troublesome ..i would like to post for help __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Nov 11, 2004, 07:21 AM	Thread Starter #15
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	i 've written (damn i forgot how)..i write drum like score,and i use the "roland gs instrument" definition of cakewalk. But a lot of times when i place the drum note in the pentagram , the note get not placed correctly on the score editor.and the Logic move by itself the note where he wants..a bit buggy. So i got installed sonar,and i will keep both for a while . litle question: I want to SAVE apart the FILE containing the CUSTOM-Drum Map created ..WHERE is it stored /located ? (i.e what estension has it?) ..So if i reinstall Logic i don have to waste 6 hours again of mapping (and i forgot how to map also..blerr) __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP