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Old Dec 22, 2004, 03:24 AM   #1
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"Export Audio" for VSTi = massive clipping

Hi all

Just getting funtionnal with KX drivers, love them so far. BUT. I am using a few VSTi's softsynths in Cubase VST32. Normally I record them like any other MIDI file and then do the "export audio" thing. When I do I get a heavily distorted audio file. The odd thing is that if I turn the VSTi off and do export audio I get white noise.

Here is a link to my DSP setup and the waveform view of the WAV file with the VSTi on and off.

http://community.webshots.com/script...5074&ran=19591

Can anyone help me figure this out? The other option I used to do with the Creative drivers was set the record input to MIDI, mute any track I didn't want included, then hit record. Worked pretty well, but I can't figure out how to do this with the DSP or KX Mixer. AARRgghh.

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Old Dec 22, 2004, 11:58 PM Threadstarter Thread Starter   #2
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OK, that link doesn't work out - this one does, I'm sure. Sorry about that. Didin't realise the first site required you to be a member to view it.

http://www.photobox.co.uk/album/1107470

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Old Dec 23, 2004, 04:03 AM   #3
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Normally I record them like any other MIDI file and then do the "export audio" thing.
When I do I get a heavily distorted audio file.
[color=yellow]'Export to audio' has nothing to do with kX or drivers at all.
This process happens purely in your host+VSTi software.
Check your software.[/color]

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The other option I used to do with the Creative drivers was set the record input to MIDI,
mute any track I didn't want included, then hit record.
[color=yellow]You are using the wrong terms here.
If you want to record the *Audio* output of your VSTi you don't record MIDI, you record AUDIO.
What you mean is called 'bounce to track'.
Just make a new audio track, arm it, and record the ASIO output (fxbus)
from your VSTi you want to bounce.
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[color=yellow]The pictures in your link are hardly readable.
Why do you use two MX6 there? One is more then enough to get the job done.

See;
[/color][color=yellow]http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthread.php?t=57078[/color]

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Old Dec 23, 2004, 12:45 PM   #4
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I guess you've got pretty white noise because of Analogue ASIO record turned on, considering you record AC'97 in through the MX-6... I can see no dB's on the shot but when I had analogue input turned on in my DSP (even with no analogue source selected, all were muted, set to -inf dB), I constantly had a -60...-70 dB noise at the kX peak.

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.. I constantly had a -60...-70 dB noise at the kX peak.
[color=yellow]That is the typical noise floor of the ac97 codec.[/color]
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Old Dec 24, 2004, 02:59 AM Threadstarter Thread Starter   #6
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Hello LeMeury

Thanks for your reply. Sorry about the picture size; I'm learning about picture post sites at the same time as I am about KX ! This link is a full sized picture of the DSP:

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2451771&size=o

You are quite right about the "record audio" - my fuzziness there. That is what I tried besides export audio (which used to work fine, btw, before KX !). I enable an audio track, then record. I get no signal at all. The thing I may be missing is your reference to [color=#ffff00]record the ASIO output (fxbus) from your VSTi[/color] - how do I know what that is, and how do I select it? Is that the SRC set to synth (FX bus 2/3) in my DSP picture? If so, how would I set that up?

I unfortunately use Cubase 5, not Sx - if you are familiar with the two you know they are so unlike each other that it's really hard to get instructions for one to work with the other, so I'm a bit lost as to how to make the SX setup work with VST :-(.

The reason for the two mx6's is because I needed to change the monitored level of my line in without changing the level of the overall mix or the level of the input signal - even with drums, bass and half a dozen guitars, the mix is completely drowned out by the line in signal (which I set to peak at about -1dB for the best possible SNR) So Line in goes to the 1st mx6 (In1L and In1R). The Main L and R go out to AISO to record, the Send 1L and 1R go to the second MX6 and out to the speakers. That way if I drop the level of the Send in MX#1, it doesn't affect the record level or the overall playback level. I tried every combination I could think of with just one MX6 and I just couldn't get it to work any other way.

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Old Dec 24, 2004, 03:23 AM   #7
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I enable an audio track, then record. I get no signal at all.
In your pic, SRC main0/1 plays back VST audio coming from cubase. Right?
Well, if you want to record the *audio* signal from a VSTi instrument,
you will have to record the signal coming from SRC main0/1.

If, on the other hand, you want to record the SoundFont Midi Synth,
then you would have to record the signal coming from SRC Synth in your pic.

In your pic, simply connect the REC outputs of the upper MX6 to one
of the ASIO recording inputs on the Asio plugin.

That's it.

Cubase 5 and SX or any other sequencer for that matter, do not differ in the
way they interact with kX and the DSP.
I advice you to study the Guides I've written.
Both the SX guide and the DSP guide.

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Old Dec 24, 2004, 11:46 AM Threadstarter Thread Starter   #8
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Thanks again
I'll go through them one more time step by step; I'll repost if I still have problems.

D.

p.s. did figure out one problem - the white noise was from one VSTi that refused to turn off and had a -10dB signal output all the time.
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