About "double notes" and "kX Control In/Out"

Cheiz · Jan 9, 2005, 07:30 PM

Hi,

I see a lot of posts about double notes from the inputs. Maybe this is because the mysterious "kX Control" INPUT re-sends all MIDI messages which are already sent by the "kX UART"? At least, this happens to me...

I upgraded to 3538g but still i get this weird results.

(the yamaha driver is a driver which lets me connect to my clavinova thru COM1)

MIDI Inputs:
kX Control CT4832 10k1 (????)
kX Uart CT4832 10k1
YAMAHA CBX A Driver

MIDI Outputs:
kX Synth CT4832 10k1
kX Control CT4832 10k1
kX Synth2 CT4832 10k1
kX Uart CT4832 10k1
YAMAHA CBX A Driver

Using kX automation i routed ch1, cc2 to timbre->bass
I use MIDIMON to look at the behaviour. When i select Uart+Control as inputs to monitor, i see that the kx Control sends the same messages as the uart, with almost no delay(timestamp usually is the same, sometimes 1 unit later, about 0x400 is 1 second i believe, so it's <1ms). So all messages from the UART are copied. When i look at the timbre settings i see the Bass moving when i send ch1,cc2 messages thru my UART (without sending anything to the kx Control OUTPUT!!!).
It seems that the kx Control INPUT doesn't copy anything from the YAMAHA CBX A Driver Input . Although, i can see the Bass fader moving when i send ch1,cc2 messages thru the YAMAHA Cbx A Input. So it seems that the automation "steals" information from all inputs without them being routed to the kx Control output.

The Bass Fader does also change when i send controller values using a sequencer to the Kx Control OUTPUT. However, when i monitor the kx control INPUT, it doesn't give any messages.

Not that this all is a very big problem. I can chose automation controller numbers which cant be send by other midi in devices than i want. But i don't think it's "expected behaviour". In short, this happens:

-the "Kx Control" Midi INPUT only copies messages from the Uart input.
-The "kx control" midi OUTPUT works as expected
-The "kX Automation" driver seems not only look to the "kx Control" midi output, but also to all MIDI inputs.

What i would rather want:

-No "kx control" midi input needed becasue it has no use
-Not the automically use all messages from the inputs for the kx Automation

I want to have the possibilty to translate midi messgase form the inputs before they go to the automation and that is not possible now.

Bye,

Cheiz

**dj_stick** · Jan 9, 2005, 10:56 PM

kX control is used to control the parameters of DSP effects
disable this input in your sequencer

Cheiz · Jan 11, 2005, 03:08 PM

I don't see how the kx Control INPUT is used for automation...(the OUTPUT i understand)

And what about the automatic scanning of all midi-ins? Is there a way to disable that? Because i want to be able to translate the messages and decide which midi ins should be used for automation.

-Cheiz

Jan 9, 2005, 07:30 PM	#1
Cheiz DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	About "double notes" and "kX Control In/Out" Hi, I see a lot of posts about double notes from the inputs. Maybe this is because the mysterious "kX Control" INPUT re-sends all MIDI messages which are already sent by the "kX UART"? At least, this happens to me... I upgraded to 3538g but still i get this weird results. (the yamaha driver is a driver which lets me connect to my clavinova thru COM1) MIDI Inputs: kX Control CT4832 10k1 (????) kX Uart CT4832 10k1 YAMAHA CBX A Driver MIDI Outputs: kX Synth CT4832 10k1 kX Control CT4832 10k1 kX Synth2 CT4832 10k1 kX Uart CT4832 10k1 YAMAHA CBX A Driver Using kX automation i routed ch1, cc2 to timbre->bass I use MIDIMON to look at the behaviour. When i select Uart+Control as inputs to monitor, i see that the kx Control sends the same messages as the uart, with almost no delay(timestamp usually is the same, sometimes 1 unit later, about 0x400 is 1 second i believe, so it's <1ms). So all messages from the UART are copied. When i look at the timbre settings i see the Bass moving when i send ch1,cc2 messages thru my UART (without sending anything to the kx Control OUTPUT!!!). It seems that the kx Control INPUT doesn't copy anything from the YAMAHA CBX A Driver Input . Although, i can see the Bass fader moving when i send ch1,cc2 messages thru the YAMAHA Cbx A Input. So it seems that the automation "steals" information from all inputs without them being routed to the kx Control output. The Bass Fader does also change when i send controller values using a sequencer to the Kx Control OUTPUT. However, when i monitor the kx control INPUT, it doesn't give any messages. Not that this all is a very big problem. I can chose automation controller numbers which cant be send by other midi in devices than i want. But i don't think it's "expected behaviour". In short, this happens: -the "Kx Control" Midi INPUT only copies messages from the Uart input. -The "kx control" midi OUTPUT works as expected -The "kX Automation" driver seems not only look to the "kx Control" midi output, but also to all MIDI inputs. What i would rather want: -No "kx control" midi input needed becasue it has no use -Not the automically use all messages from the inputs for the kx Automation I want to have the possibilty to translate midi messgase form the inputs before they go to the automation and that is not possible now. Bye, Cheiz

Jan 11, 2005, 03:08 PM	Thread Starter #3
Cheiz DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	I don't see how the kx Control INPUT is used for automation...(the OUTPUT i understand) And what about the automatic scanning of all midi-ins? Is there a way to disable that? Because i want to be able to translate the messages and decide which midi ins should be used for automation. -Cheiz