trevbushell

Just a quick question (it never is though is it!!)

when you are using vst instruments via cubase midi channels does that mean you [color=red]can't[/color] then route them seperatly thro the fx busses (like you do with midi and soundfonts?) or is it just me doing something wrong?



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thomasabarnes

I was just thinking sort of the same thing, yesterday! I was thinking of a way I could have a Vsti/Dxi output sent to the Dynamics processor so when I record a track, it is recorded with the Dynamic Processor's effect applied. However, I think this is only possible using the Physical input sources (Mic and Line In).

I was also wanting to be able to use other DSP plug ins effects with other VSTi/DXi, so I can record the effect onto a track in SONAR, but I dont think this is possible, however that would be awesome, if it was possible!

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TravelRec.

Since all VSTis produce audio streams it is possible to route this audio over the master mixer to different ASIO output busses (in cubase for sure, sonar I donīt know) and they appear on the corresponding fx-busses inside the dsp. You can insert there a fx-plugin of your choice and then feed the wet signal of the plugin to one or more ASIO inputs - return to the sequencer. In the sequencer open a track that records on that specified ASIO inputs. To hear the signal, activate monitoring for that track, or use a mixer-plugin that directly gets the signal of the fx-plug in the DSP before recording and route it to a different physical output of the card. Remember: there are only 16 ASIO inīs and outīs, 2 outs are occupied by the master. So the number of simultaneous usable VSTis is limited somehow.

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trevbushell

travelrec, youre really good at this! you always seem to have the answers to my questions...thanx!

I'm gonna have to think about this and try and get it into my head, as I'm struggling anyway with this whole cubase mixer, fxbus, inputs outputs,dsp, synth1 and 2 etc etc etc blah blah blah thing . i'm at work at the mo, but i'll have a fiddle later and hope youre around to answer my qus when i get stuck.

What i could really do with is a trip to germany to visit you for a weekend and get some tuition, ha ha! There really is so much to grasp with this powerful kxmachine and cubase and i get very frustrated with my limited knowledge!

hmmm....theres a thought, anyone. maybe a weekend would be a good idea to get heads together and share knowledge on kx and how to make it work well for you within our audio progs, i would certainly jump at the idea. I live in england so if anyone who lives there is interested maybe a KX weekend could be organised?

should i make this a seperate thread? let me know.
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thomasabarnes

TravelRec:

What Master mixer are you referring too? Do you mean the master output of a sequencer's Mixing console or what?

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Lex Nahumury

He means mixer/master panels/consoles from most ASIO sequencer(s).
You can route any audiostream (not only vsti btw) to any ASIO output as a send or direct,
and record it back through the DSP back into any ASIO input.
That's the beauty of multichannel (16) ASIO I/O.

/LeMury

TravelRec.

Okay - if you have the time and money to travel around - no problem, say when and Iīm here . A weekend should be possible (hmm, have to ask my wife before , sometimes I forget some planned tasks, have to take a look into my filofax) - why not? I think it would be a good idea to ask LeMury whether he can travel too?! Iīm always interested in his ideas...

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thomasabarnes

LeMury:

Thanks for the clarification! I'm really excited about this news! Now, I'll fiddle around and try to find out how to do this routing. I knew all those ASIO Ins and Outs were useful for something dynamite.

Really, thanks a bunch, this is good news for me. I got the idea this may be possible from reading your kX Concept guide. I just have to think through the routing that's needed for this.

TravelRec:

Thanks for your enlightening post.

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trevbushell

so how do you do this? through the cubase mixer or by the vst inputs and outputs in devices? i really cant get my head around this!
if its thro the mixer- i can see stereo ins 1-8 and stereo outs 1-8 and midi channels with the vsti as sperate channels too, but i cant see how to route them into the dsp?
any help greatly received!


travelrec , thats really kind of you... thanks, it was really a joke, but now you offer, maybe i will fly over at some stage (money permitting!). i cant now as my wife is 10 weeks pregnant and feeling really sick and i need to be around to look after our 5 yr old during this time. but maybe in the future? or go over to lemury in holland if he's up for it?(as its a smaller country and easier to get around perhaps?) who knows, but sounds like a good idea meeting up with a few people and share ideas and knowledge, it'd be fun too (beers etc!!)

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thomasabarnes

LeMury and TravelRec:

OMG, I just didnt understand ASIO correctly! I had no idea applying and recording effects for VSTi/DXi tracks in a sequencer was so simple. LeMury, I was reading your kX Concept guide and looking at what you wrote in the example DSP post you have in that Example DSP section. And with the simple setup you have there, It hit me how to do what I wanted to do (which was to apply kX DSP effects to VSTi/DXi tracks in SONAR). It's so easy using ASIO, that I was absolutely shocked when I realized this!

Here's how to do this for anyone who was not sure as I was not sure. (Well, here's how to do it using SONAR, anyway). I'm demonstrating this using ProFX Plugins and the MX6 because of the frugality of using the ProFX group and the usefulness of the MX6. Loading some multiple effects can cause you to run out of needed DSP resources, hence, the use of the ProFX plug ins. I'm also assuming a user has kX driver .3538h, and ProFX v2.1b installed.

1) With a clear DSP, setup a DSP with about 4 ProFx SRCs.

2) Assign the SRCs to FX Buses you want to use (FX bus 0/1=ASIO 0/1, FX
Bus 2/3=ASIO 2/3, etc.).

3) Load the MX6 and connect the SRCs.

4) Load K2lt, Profx ASIO, and two effects that you want.

5) Connect MX6 Main output to K2lt (Front/Rear Speakers) and the MX6
Record L/R to the ProFX ASIO recording outputs you want to record with.

6) Connct the effects to the MX6 sends 1 and 2.

7) In the sequencer, as a VSTi/DXi track output, select one of the ASIO
outputs you set up in this DSP.

8) Raise the slider for the MX6 Channels you have the effects connected to, and adjust the Send 1 or Send 2 slider for the appropriate MX6 channel/s to get the amount of effect you want. And of course, raise the MX6 channel sliders for the ASIO channels.

9) Edit: Forgot to mention: checkmark all "E" and "M" boxes on the MX6. When you want to record an effect, tick the "R" box of the MX6 ASIO channel and effects channel you want to record. SONAR makes recording DXi/VSTi MIDI tracks to audio easy by using the Bounce To Track/s feature. Edit done.

10) Save this DSP setup, so you can load it when you want it.

It's as simple as using the MX6, connecting the desired effects to the MX6 sends, and connecting a virtual cable to the desired ASIO recording outputs!

Thanks LeMury and TravelRec!

This is some info I will add to my updated SONAR and kX Setup Guide when 3538 final is released, maybe sooner.

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TravelRec.

Hm, you have up to 8 stereo inputs in your sequencer, cubase calls them "vst-inputs". There you collect your signals from outside e.g from the DSP. Then you have up to 7 stereo outs additional to master outs. These outs are routable over the main mixing console or over the send effects console in the sequencer. There you can put out your signals that you want to enrich with fx. In the DSP collect the sent signals from the sequencer on Prolog (fX-Bus) or via ProFX SRCs (fX-Bus), wire them over a plugin and then again to Epilog Asio output or ProFx ASIO plugin. Then you have the wet signals again in the sequencer inputs and so on... Check whether the output / input / fx-Busses are correct numbered to have the right signals on the right bus (some sequencers count up from 0, some from 1).

Hmm, seems to be modern, my wife is in the 12th week , feeling a bit better...

Yep, letīs keep that in the eye, but I donīt like beer! Maybe a cup of dry red wine . CU!

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trevbushell

thanx travel rec, I'm still lost though, your instructions seem clear but i cant follow them... i guess my knowledge is too limited, hey never mind! good try!

Cool re baby on way, congrats!!! is it your first? ( i know this isnt kx talk!) maybe we should do a new topic for the forum called "kx babies!"

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TravelRec.

Yes, first one - good idea, this could be the next kX generation - who knows what computer equipment they will have in the future and what a sound they will make.... All the best wishes for your wife!!!

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