sound card wave table and MIDI

Miles1981 · Jan 22, 2003, 12:58 PM

Hello

This driver is fantastic, but I can't use the wave table of my sound card...
I'm running W200SP3, Live5.1 and an AMDXP2000+...

Did somebody have this issue ?

Sture · Jan 22, 2003, 01:18 PM

Just a hint, did you remember to load a soundfont bank?

Sture

strangeloop · Jan 22, 2003, 03:13 PM

And what do you mean exactly by 'wave table of my sound card'? Sture's hint is a good one I think

Miles1981 · Jan 22, 2003, 04:41 PM

Sorry...

I want to use some times the MIDI sequencer of my sound card but I didn't manage to have a sound... I suppose it is a matter of connexion in the KX mixer...

Miles1981 · Jan 22, 2003, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sture
Just a hint, did you remember to load a soundfont bank?

Sture

??? Can't I use the defaut sound loaded in the card - sorry, but I'm new with KX, before, I used Creative drivers for all usages... -

RIV@NVX · Jan 22, 2003, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Miles1981
??? Can't I use the defaut sound loaded in the card - sorry, but I'm new with KX, before, I used Creative drivers for all usages... -

You need to load SoundFont bank (.sf2 file) in order to get sound from MIDI files. Search for *.sf2 on your Creative CD and you will find some.

Miles1981 · Jan 22, 2003, 08:15 PM

OK, thank you, it's working...

Leandro Costa · Jan 25, 2005, 12:27 AM

I have loaded SoundFonts to KX, but I can not hear my MIDI Files yet. The only way to hear my MIDI Files is go to "Sounds and Audio Devices Properties" - "Audio" - "MIDI music playback" - "default device" and mark Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth, but if I do that, I will be using a Microsoft drive to hear MIDI, right? Can anybody help me?

**dj_stick** · Jan 25, 2005, 12:34 AM

you need to load a soundfont to both synths in the kX mixer

Leandro Costa · Jan 25, 2005, 10:53 AM

Yes, I have loaded a soundfont to both synths in the kX mixer, but it doesn't work yet. Is there any bug in KX 5.10.0.3534 and SoudBlaster Live! Value?

**dj_stick** · Jan 25, 2005, 11:09 AM

no… are you using a custom DSP? have you set the synth level in the mixer?

Leandro Costa · Jan 25, 2005, 02:51 PM

I don't know anything about DSP yet, so I am using the default configuration for it. Hw can I set the synth level in the mixer?

Leandro Costa · Jan 25, 2005, 08:21 PM

I have set the Synth Level to the maximum, but it doesn't work yet. Is there some tester to the KX configurations? Is there some way to make a test if the drive was correctlly installed?

In "Sounds and Audio Devices Properties" - "Audio" - "MIDI music playback" - "default device", what are you using? The KX Control, the Synth 1 or the Synth 2?

**dj_stick** · Jan 25, 2005, 11:18 PM

kX synths

are you trying to playback through ASIO or just speakers?

Leandro Costa · Jan 26, 2005, 10:25 AM

I am trying to playback through speakers. All I am doing is open a midi file in WMPlayer. I have re-installed KX Drivers, but it didn't work anyway. Do I have to make changes in the router?

**dj_stick** · Jan 26, 2005, 11:13 AM

check the synth level on the main kX mixer page

Leandro Costa · Jan 26, 2005, 03:22 PM

the synth level on the main kX mixer page is all right, it is on maximum.

Russ · Jan 26, 2005, 05:41 PM

Are you sure you loaded a full SoundFont bank and not just an individual instrument?

What does it say on the SoundFont page of the kX Mixer?

For example mine says:
#3 Bank (bank 0) 'Unison 28MB GM/GS soundfont version 1.00' [28470 KB]
#2 Bank (bank 0) 'Kamac Distortion Guitar Version 1.02' [868 KB]
#1 Bank (bank 0) 'Musica Theoria' [29606 KB]

-- Total 3 SoundFonts loaded (Total Size: 58945Kb) --

Leandro Costa · Jan 26, 2005, 08:55 PM

Yes, I have tried with 1, 2, 3 and 4 soundfonts. It sounds bad, no? I mean, I have already done all that is necessary to have MIDI working, but it doesn't work anyway. I will have to repeat all the steps just to be sure that I had not forgotten anything.

Russ · Jan 26, 2005, 09:29 PM

Again, to be sure you understand... It is not the number of SoundFonts, but rather making sure that you have a SoundFont(s) that contains all the instruments necessary to play your midi's (test with the Soundfonts that came with your Soundcard as they are general soundfonts that contain all the general midi instruments. (I think one of them is called CT4MGM.SF2 and is in your WINDOWS\SYSTEM32 directory)).

Other than that, it sounds like possibly a bad install. I would run Creative's tool to completely remove all Creative software, as maybe something from that is hanging around. Then reinstall the kX drivers. Setup kX to match your speakers, adjust volume levels, and load the SoundFonts and it should work (with the default DSP, and router settings, etc).

Leandro Costa · Jan 27, 2005, 02:27 PM

I think this might be my problem. I don't know if the SoundFonts that I have loaded contain all the general midi instruments. In fact, I didn't know that the instruments of the midi need to be the same of the SoundFonts's ones. I will check it tonight.

Thanks Russ.

Russ · Jan 27, 2005, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leandro Costa

In fact, I didn't know that the instruments of the midi need to be the same of the SoundFonts's ones. I will check it tonight.

They do not necessarly have to be the same, but you do need to have some instrument(s) representing the presets (instrument numbers) used in the song.

For example: Say you have a midi that uses one instrument preset. Lets say it uses preset 24 which usually represents a Nylon Guitar. If your soundfont(s) does not contain an instrument assigned to that preset, then you will not hear anything when you playback the song. The instrument does not necessarily have to be a Nylon Guitar (can be whatever you want), but some instrument needs to be assigned to that preset in order to hear it ,and that instrument will always be used when playing songs that use that preset (unless you change soundfont's, etc). For that song, you would not need any other instruments in your soundfont, but it would only be good for songs that only use preset 24, etc. If you play a different song, that uses different presets, you would not hear anything. Thus for general midi playback, a good general midi soundfont is best, as they usually contain all the general midi instruments, and map one to one with the presets, and thus can be used with a wide variety of midi songs. Then if you find that you do not like the sound of a certain instrument, then you can load a new soundfont (single instrument or whatever) on top of the general one to change the sound of certain instruments, etc. (To see what instruments your soundfont(s) contain, and how they are mapped to the presets, etc, you can use a soundfont editor such as Vienna Soundfont Studio.)

That is a basic explanation, hopefully you understand what I am saying. The bottom line is that you should start by finding the best general midi soundfont you can find, that suits your needs (sounds best to you over a wide range of songs, taking into account how long it will take you to download, and how much memory it uses, etc).

Leandro Costa · Jan 28, 2005, 10:41 AM

Thank you all, I loaded a more complete SoundFont to KX, and MIDI started to work correctly.

Jan 25, 2005, 12:27 AM	#8
Leandro Costa DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	Still doesn`t work I have loaded SoundFonts to KX, but I can not hear my MIDI Files yet. The only way to hear my MIDI Files is go to "Sounds and Audio Devices Properties" - "Audio" - "MIDI music playback" - "default device" and mark Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth, but if I do that, I will be using a Microsoft drive to hear MIDI, right? Can anybody help me?

Jan 22, 2003, 12:58 PM	#1
Miles1981 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	sound card wave table and MIDI Hello This driver is fantastic, but I can't use the wave table of my sound card... I'm running W200SP3, Live5.1 and an AMDXP2000+... Did somebody have this issue ?

Jan 22, 2003, 01:18 PM	#2
Sture DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 58 Rep Power: 0	Wavetable Just a hint, did you remember to load a soundfont bank? Sture

Jan 22, 2003, 03:13 PM	#3
strangeloop DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Leiden, The Netherlands Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Wavetable And what do you mean exactly by 'wave table of my sound card'? Sture's hint is a good one I think __________________ This inert sentence is my body, but my soul is alive, dancing in the sparks of your brain

Jan 22, 2003, 04:41 PM	Thread Starter #4
Miles1981 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	Sorry... I want to use some times the MIDI sequencer of my sound card but I didn't manage to have a sound... I suppose it is a matter of connexion in the KX mixer...

Jan 22, 2003, 08:15 PM	Thread Starter #7
Miles1981 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	OK, thank you, it's working...

Jan 25, 2005, 10:53 AM	#10
Leandro Costa DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	Yes, I have loaded a soundfont to both synths in the kX mixer, but it doesn't work yet. Is there any bug in KX 5.10.0.3534 and SoudBlaster Live! Value?

Jan 25, 2005, 02:51 PM	#12
Leandro Costa DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	I don't know anything about DSP yet, so I am using the default configuration for it. Hw can I set the synth level in the mixer?

Jan 25, 2005, 08:21 PM	#13
Leandro Costa DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	I have set the Synth Level to the maximum, but it doesn't work yet. Is there some tester to the KX configurations? Is there some way to make a test if the drive was correctlly installed? In "Sounds and Audio Devices Properties" - "Audio" - "MIDI music playback" - "default device", what are you using? The KX Control, the Synth 1 or the Synth 2?

Jan 26, 2005, 10:25 AM	#15
Leandro Costa DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	I am trying to playback through speakers. All I am doing is open a midi file in WMPlayer. I have re-installed KX Drivers, but it didn't work anyway. Do I have to make changes in the router?

Jan 26, 2005, 03:22 PM	#17
Leandro Costa DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	the synth level on the main kX mixer page is all right, it is on maximum.

Jan 26, 2005, 05:41 PM	#18
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Are you sure you loaded a full SoundFont bank and not just an individual instrument? What does it say on the SoundFont page of the kX Mixer? For example mine says: #3 Bank (bank 0) 'Unison 28MB GM/GS soundfont version 1.00' [28470 KB] #2 Bank (bank 0) 'Kamac Distortion Guitar Version 1.02' [868 KB] #1 Bank (bank 0) 'Musica Theoria' [29606 KB] -- Total 3 SoundFonts loaded (Total Size: 58945Kb) --

Jan 26, 2005, 08:55 PM	#19
Leandro Costa DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	Yes, I have tried with 1, 2, 3 and 4 soundfonts. It sounds bad, no? I mean, I have already done all that is necessary to have MIDI working, but it doesn't work anyway. I will have to repeat all the steps just to be sure that I had not forgotten anything.

Jan 26, 2005, 09:29 PM	#20
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Again, to be sure you understand... It is not the number of SoundFonts, but rather making sure that you have a SoundFont(s) that contains all the instruments necessary to play your midi's (test with the Soundfonts that came with your Soundcard as they are general soundfonts that contain all the general midi instruments. (I think one of them is called CT4MGM.SF2 and is in your WINDOWS\SYSTEM32 directory)). Other than that, it sounds like possibly a bad install. I would run Creative's tool to completely remove all Creative software, as maybe something from that is hanging around. Then reinstall the kX drivers. Setup kX to match your speakers, adjust volume levels, and load the SoundFonts and it should work (with the default DSP, and router settings, etc).

Jan 27, 2005, 02:27 PM	#21
Leandro Costa DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	I think this might be my problem. I don't know if the SoundFonts that I have loaded contain all the general midi instruments. In fact, I didn't know that the instruments of the midi need to be the same of the SoundFonts's ones. I will check it tonight. Thanks Russ.

Jan 28, 2005, 10:41 AM	#23
Leandro Costa DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	Thank you all, I loaded a more complete SoundFont to KX, and MIDI started to work correctly.