ForceWare 101.70 Vista

MousePotato · Apr 8, 2007, 08:02 AM

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1611 32

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1612 64

anyone wanna complain/discuss aboot these eh ?

Necrosis · Apr 8, 2007, 09:40 AM

Have you tried them yet?

mkk · Apr 8, 2007, 10:28 AM

On my system the raw gaming performance has been better than the latest official. The control panel has a somewhat different layout but seemingly no functional difference. For instance flat panel scaling is there but does not work. There are also some problems with full screen video playback, like higher CPU usage and stuttering in MediaCenter.

For what I've read SLI is not supported. Stalker is said to run much better on some cards.

clicker666 · Apr 8, 2007, 12:34 PM

I've downloaded and installed them, although I have no games to discuss on the Vista machine. What I can tell you is Dreamscene is working correctly, no errors in the entire day I've been running them. Also there's no flashing text in Hold Em. My 3dMark 2006 score went up about 160. The control panel appears different as well. I'll have to put a game on and see how they work compared to XP. I'll give Oblivion a shot.

Golbeze · Apr 8, 2007, 08:16 PM

Have them installed here, no problems yet. I've been playing Oblivion with the Shivering Isles expansion for hours and am not having any driver-related problems so far.

Necrosis · Apr 8, 2007, 09:16 PM

The one thing that is keeping me from trying them is the Oblivion white box issue. Golbeze what are your general settings for Oblivion?

Golbeze · Apr 8, 2007, 09:31 PM

Using a 7600GT, res @ 1024x768, HDR, anti-aliasing off (of course, since I can't have it on at the same time as HDR with this card), grass turned all the way down (I prefer the performance increase over grass outside), shadows off, blood decals on low, view distance maxed, rest of the sliders set around the medium point, and vsync's finally been fixed with this release so I have that enabled.

Necrosis · Apr 8, 2007, 10:42 PM

Hmm..there always seems to be a driver under "Windows Update" that is also 101.70 but is WHQL certified. I think I'm going to wait this release out a few more days.

Lelisevis · Apr 8, 2007, 11:05 PM

Hmm I think i'll try these a little later and post up my findings. Funnily I only ran 3dmark 06 yesterday so I have a reference figure to work on for comparison. Scored just shy of 11,000 with the latest betas on Nvidia's site which is still somewhat down on XP, lets hope the gaps been narrowed a bit.

compuguy1088 · Apr 9, 2007, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necrosis

Hmm..there always seems to be a driver under "Windows Update" that is also 101.70 but is WHQL certified. I think I'm going to wait this release out a few more days.

I noticed this as well when found this post:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=220476

I did install these windows update drivers, besides that they are whql'ed, I haven't noticed a difference from the ones that were leaked on the Guru3d Fourms.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necrosis

The one thing that is keeping me from trying them is the Oblivion white box issue. Golbeze what are your general settings for Oblivion?

I have tried this driver release with Oblivion, and I haven't noticed any white box issue. Is it anything to do with the occasional flickering of a hidden window boarder? Because that is the only abormal thing happening to me. Also I noticed in another thread that these drivers allow for HDR + AA.

Necrosis · Apr 9, 2007, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by compuguy1088

I noticed this as well when found this post:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=220476

I did install these windows update drivers, besides that they are whql'ed, I haven't noticed a difference from the ones that were leaked on the Guru3d Fourms.

I have tried this driver release with Oblivion, and I haven't noticed any white box issue. Is it anything to do with the occasional flickering of a hidden window boarder? Because that is the only abormal thing happening to me. Also I noticed in another thread that these drivers allow for HDR + AA.

How I knew about it was it showed up for my system a few day ago under "Windows Update", the really odd thing is it's gone? I never did install it the new drivers since I normally only do straight from the vendor/manufacture. BTW, did you control panel change like w/ the drivers offered @ Guru3D?

Update: Direct link to use the WHQL certified 101.70 - http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.ph...8&postcount=45

Lelisevis · Apr 9, 2007, 12:49 PM

Weird, I had to do my first ever system restore last night after installing these drivers. It's probably something i've done so i'll have another try tonight but it's the first time i've ever had a driver install go bad. My system slowed down to snails a pace and eventually froze up when I tried to install them, the one time I did manage to get them on it all went pear-shaped when I enabled SLi. Anyone got any tips with regards to SLi, should I disable it before installing drivers and treat them as two cards or would that not make a difference?
The one time I did get them on I noticed the control panel is totally different, it's more akin to the old text based panel as opposed to the newer graphical interface.

Edit: oh yeah when I tried to run 3dmark06 last night all i'd get is a black screen ending after a few minutes with a lock up.

Prince_Link · Apr 9, 2007, 02:22 PM

AHH so these are finally using the New version of Sedona

Lelisevis · Apr 10, 2007, 09:46 PM

Cheers Necrosis, installed the drivers following that link and all's fixed. Interestingly some DX10 demo links are provided in that thread, I think im gonna go have a play.

Edit: Damn noob I can't believe I doubleposted, someone clean this up for me and save me the shame.

Second edit: Damn it, had to rollback to the previous set again, im getting scaling issues but far more serious is what happens when I try to run 3dmark 05 or 06, instant black screen and I have to reset, it's annoying to say the least. I'll look more indepth when I have the time but for now I just want to carry on playing fable.

Slagathor · Apr 11, 2007, 12:38 AM

Anybody play BF2 with these drivers???? I have run everything else (Oblivion, BF2142, F.E.A.R., Stalker) with improved performance, but BF2 wont even fire up.

Running Vista 32bit, 8800GTS...

compuguy1088 · Apr 11, 2007, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lelisevis

Cheers Necrosis, installed the drivers falling that link and all's fixed. Interestingly some DX10 demo links are provided in that thread, I think im gonna go have a play.

Actually, I was the one who repackaged them to be easy to install. I thank Necrosis though for putting the link up. If you read on toward the end of the thread, there is some mentioning of issues with DX10 not working with these drivers. I myself could not get any of the NVIDIA DX10 demos to work with thees:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=220476&page=4

The other thing is that it seems Microsoft has pulled this update off of Windows Update, also pointing towards this issues with DX10.

Necrosis · Apr 11, 2007, 12:57 AM

Haha, I didn't even realize that was you. Wow..great case of the MUNdays.

Lelisevis · Apr 11, 2007, 01:06 AM

Thanks for the package, yeah I think it's more than just DX10, I can't get either of the 3dmarks to run and it's downscaling from 1680x1050 to something like 1280x1024 in game. With my rig it could be a couple of things....either N-hancer or the fact im running SLi being possible favourites. I'll spend a bit time at the weekend looking into it or if you find a possible solution shoot me a PM

. Cheers

nheimler · Apr 11, 2007, 01:41 AM

Well, just installed and I had some weird issues...ok ok...by this point I know you are asking "Be more specific."

So here it goes. I have a Dell XPS410 with a 7900GS card that came with it and a ViewSonic VX910 digital LCD as my main monitor and a Dell E193FP analog LCD as my secondary. I have the Dell as an extended desktop. What happens is after installing the 101.70 I right click on the desktop and there is a quick distortion of the desktop on my ViewSonic LCD (does not do this on the Dell) kinda like the old CRT monitors when something high powered is sitting next to it and you see the monitor just go all crazy. (hehe...my best description the moment)

Now it only does this after the first right click on the desktop any other times it does not. However, I get the same results everytime I go into nVidia Control Panel and not just the first time.

Ok here is the difference I found in the driver. Not sure if it makes a difference, but its the only thing I noticed in the settings. Under the Television settings under the Video & Television options in the Control Panel my ViewSonic (the digital monitor for those who forgot by now in this long message) the 101.70 had only one option labelled "DVI - High def tele over DVI" while the 100.65 has that same option but also has "Auto detect" which is the default option. The 100.65 drivers do not create this quick distortion "feature" that the 101.70 brought about.

Anyways...there's my...well five dollars worth on these drivers.

nheimler · Apr 11, 2007, 01:55 AM

Oh and one more thing...for troubleshooting messures with the 100.65 I did attempt to change the option to the DVI "mode; however, it just put it back to the auto detect after closing the control panel and going back in. I wanted to make sure it wasn't both sets of drivers, so this would indicate its just the newer set.

Prince_Link · Apr 11, 2007, 10:56 AM

hey guys, Microsoft pulled the Drivers as Nvidia hasn't released NDA on them yet, AND, the fact that the WU version of the drivers has Broken Dx10 on alot of systems.

coldfrontt · Apr 12, 2007, 05:56 AM

These drivers, like all others seems to have a problem with Supreme Commander, or SC has a problem with Nvidia. I can play a while and then one of the driver components breaks, recovers, breaks again. Only a hard reset makes it go away.

Prince_Link · Apr 12, 2007, 06:37 AM

its more like Vista has a problem with Supreme commander

compuguy1088 · Apr 14, 2007, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince_Link

its more like Vista has a problem with Supreme commander

I remember a month or so back, that in several benchmarks (in an article that I came across comparing XP and Vista gaming performance) that Supreme commander ran better on vista than on xp, at least from that articles findings. The only thing is I dont remeber where I found it

, oh well...

mkk · Apr 14, 2007, 08:20 AM

I haven't tried Supreme Commander with 101.70 but the game has been perfectly stable with 101.41, a driver I've returned to in order to see if a series of crashes with Medieval 2 could be related to this leaked beta. Edit: They were not.

jasonbourne · Apr 15, 2007, 05:05 PM

can anyone post any benches with these drivers , im only getting around 8100 with these compared to 8850 with the 101.41

Lelisevis · Apr 15, 2007, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonbourne

can anyone post any benches with these drivers , im only getting around 8100 with these compared to 8850 with the 101.41

I'd love to but I can't even run 3Dmark with forceware 101.70

, just get a black screen and have to do a physical reset.

clicker666 · Apr 15, 2007, 07:22 PM

Here's with my machine OC'd to 3000 MHz and 101.70

3D Mark 2006: 8787
SM 2.0: 3902
SM 3.0: 3723
CPU: 2437

OC'd to 3375 with 101.65 (I found 3375 wasn't a good working OC)

3D Mark 2006: 8619
SM 2.0: 3767
SM 3.0: 3650
CPU: 2465

Stock 1800 MHz with 101.65

3D Mark 2006: 7288
SM 2.0: 3433
SM 3.0: 3523
CPU: 1521

Draw your own conclusions, but it seems to me that the newer driver has better performance. It's also interesting to see what effect the OC has on the performance for the video card overall as well.

Necrosis · Apr 15, 2007, 10:29 PM

There has also been reports these drivers increase temps by 10c. I haven't tried these yet because of the DX10 issues so I personally don't know if they do or not. I wonder if that comes in to play with w/ the performance increase???

clicker666 · Apr 15, 2007, 10:40 PM

I have no idea how to check my temps with the new CP.

Apr 8, 2007, 08:02 AM	#1
MousePotato HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2002 Location: N.S., Canada Posts: 124 Rep Power: 60 System Specs	ForceWare 101.70 Vista http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1611 32 http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1612 64 anyone wanna complain/discuss aboot these eh ?

Apr 8, 2007, 12:34 PM	#4
clicker666 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Lower Sackville, Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 327 Rep Power: 0	I've downloaded and installed them, although I have no games to discuss on the Vista machine. What I can tell you is Dreamscene is working correctly, no errors in the entire day I've been running them. Also there's no flashing text in Hold Em. My 3dMark 2006 score went up about 160. The control panel appears different as well. I'll have to put a game on and see how they work compared to XP. I'll give Oblivion a shot. __________________

Apr 8, 2007, 09:16 PM	#6
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 129 System Specs	The one thing that is keeping me from trying them is the Oblivion white box issue. Golbeze what are your general settings for Oblivion? Last edited by Necrosis; Apr 8, 2007 at 10:23 PM.

Apr 9, 2007, 02:22 PM	#13
Prince_Link HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 274 Rep Power: 0	AHH so these are finally using the New version of Sedona __________________

Apr 10, 2007, 09:46 PM	#14
Lelisevis Howlin at the moon Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,663 Rep Power: 0	Cheers Necrosis, installed the drivers following that link and all's fixed. Interestingly some DX10 demo links are provided in that thread, I think im gonna go have a play. Edit: Damn noob I can't believe I doubleposted, someone clean this up for me and save me the shame. Second edit: Damn it, had to rollback to the previous set again, im getting scaling issues but far more serious is what happens when I try to run 3dmark 05 or 06, instant black screen and I have to reset, it's annoying to say the least. I'll look more indepth when I have the time but for now I just want to carry on playing fable. Last edited by Lelisevis; Apr 11, 2007 at 12:50 AM.

Apr 8, 2007, 09:40 AM	#2
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 129 System Specs	Have you tried them yet?

Apr 8, 2007, 10:28 AM	#3
mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,384 Rep Power: 120 System Specs	On my system the raw gaming performance has been better than the latest official. The control panel has a somewhat different layout but seemingly no functional difference. For instance flat panel scaling is there but does not work. There are also some problems with full screen video playback, like higher CPU usage and stuttering in MediaCenter. For what I've read SLI is not supported. Stalker is said to run much better on some cards.

Apr 8, 2007, 08:16 PM	#5
Golbeze HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 276 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Have them installed here, no problems yet. I've been playing Oblivion with the Shivering Isles expansion for hours and am not having any driver-related problems so far.

Apr 8, 2007, 09:31 PM	#7
Golbeze HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 276 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Using a 7600GT, res @ 1024x768, HDR, anti-aliasing off (of course, since I can't have it on at the same time as HDR with this card), grass turned all the way down (I prefer the performance increase over grass outside), shadows off, blood decals on low, view distance maxed, rest of the sliders set around the medium point, and vsync's finally been fixed with this release so I have that enabled.

Apr 8, 2007, 10:42 PM	#8
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 129 System Specs	Hmm..there always seems to be a driver under "Windows Update" that is also 101.70 but is WHQL certified. I think I'm going to wait this release out a few more days.

Apr 8, 2007, 11:05 PM	#9
Lelisevis Howlin at the moon Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,663 Rep Power: 0	Hmm I think i'll try these a little later and post up my findings. Funnily I only ran 3dmark 06 yesterday so I have a reference figure to work on for comparison. Scored just shy of 11,000 with the latest betas on Nvidia's site which is still somewhat down on XP, lets hope the gaps been narrowed a bit.

Apr 9, 2007, 12:49 PM	#12
Lelisevis Howlin at the moon Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,663 Rep Power: 0	Weird, I had to do my first ever system restore last night after installing these drivers. It's probably something i've done so i'll have another try tonight but it's the first time i've ever had a driver install go bad. My system slowed down to snails a pace and eventually froze up when I tried to install them, the one time I did manage to get them on it all went pear-shaped when I enabled SLi. Anyone got any tips with regards to SLi, should I disable it before installing drivers and treat them as two cards or would that not make a difference? The one time I did get them on I noticed the control panel is totally different, it's more akin to the old text based panel as opposed to the newer graphical interface. Edit: oh yeah when I tried to run 3dmark06 last night all i'd get is a black screen ending after a few minutes with a lock up.

Apr 11, 2007, 12:38 AM	#15
Slagathor DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0	Anybody play BF2 with these drivers???? I have run everything else (Oblivion, BF2142, F.E.A.R., Stalker) with improved performance, but BF2 wont even fire up. Running Vista 32bit, 8800GTS...

Apr 11, 2007, 12:57 AM	#17
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 129 System Specs	Haha, I didn't even realize that was you. Wow..great case of the MUNdays.

Apr 11, 2007, 01:06 AM	#18
Lelisevis Howlin at the moon Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,663 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for the package, yeah I think it's more than just DX10, I can't get either of the 3dmarks to run and it's downscaling from 1680x1050 to something like 1280x1024 in game. With my rig it could be a couple of things....either N-hancer or the fact im running SLi being possible favourites. I'll spend a bit time at the weekend looking into it or if you find a possible solution shoot me a PM. Cheers

Apr 11, 2007, 01:41 AM	#19
nheimler DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 201 Rep Power: 0	Well, just installed and I had some weird issues...ok ok...by this point I know you are asking "Be more specific." So here it goes. I have a Dell XPS410 with a 7900GS card that came with it and a ViewSonic VX910 digital LCD as my main monitor and a Dell E193FP analog LCD as my secondary. I have the Dell as an extended desktop. What happens is after installing the 101.70 I right click on the desktop and there is a quick distortion of the desktop on my ViewSonic LCD (does not do this on the Dell) kinda like the old CRT monitors when something high powered is sitting next to it and you see the monitor just go all crazy. (hehe...my best description the moment) Now it only does this after the first right click on the desktop any other times it does not. However, I get the same results everytime I go into nVidia Control Panel and not just the first time. Ok here is the difference I found in the driver. Not sure if it makes a difference, but its the only thing I noticed in the settings. Under the Television settings under the Video & Television options in the Control Panel my ViewSonic (the digital monitor for those who forgot by now in this long message) the 101.70 had only one option labelled "DVI - High def tele over DVI" while the 100.65 has that same option but also has "Auto detect" which is the default option. The 100.65 drivers do not create this quick distortion "feature" that the 101.70 brought about. Anyways...there's my...well five dollars worth on these drivers.

Apr 11, 2007, 01:55 AM	#20
nheimler DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 201 Rep Power: 0	Oh and one more thing...for troubleshooting messures with the 100.65 I did attempt to change the option to the DVI "mode; however, it just put it back to the auto detect after closing the control panel and going back in. I wanted to make sure it wasn't both sets of drivers, so this would indicate its just the newer set.

Apr 11, 2007, 10:56 AM	#21
Prince_Link HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 274 Rep Power: 0	hey guys, Microsoft pulled the Drivers as Nvidia hasn't released NDA on them yet, AND, the fact that the WU version of the drivers has Broken Dx10 on alot of systems. __________________

Apr 12, 2007, 05:56 AM	#22
coldfrontt DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: canada Posts: 248 Rep Power: 0	These drivers, like all others seems to have a problem with Supreme Commander, or SC has a problem with Nvidia. I can play a while and then one of the driver components breaks, recovers, breaks again. Only a hard reset makes it go away. __________________ [color=blue]TANSTAAFL![/color]

Apr 12, 2007, 06:37 AM	#23
Prince_Link HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 274 Rep Power: 0	its more like Vista has a problem with Supreme commander __________________

Apr 14, 2007, 08:20 AM	#25
mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,384 Rep Power: 120 System Specs	I haven't tried Supreme Commander with 101.70 but the game has been perfectly stable with 101.41, a driver I've returned to in order to see if a series of crashes with Medieval 2 could be related to this leaked beta. Edit: They were not. Last edited by mkk; Apr 15, 2007 at 05:56 PM.

Apr 15, 2007, 05:05 PM	#26
jasonbourne DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: great yarmouth uk Posts: 1,082 Rep Power: 0	can anyone post any benches with these drivers , im only getting around 8100 with these compared to 8850 with the 101.41

Apr 15, 2007, 07:22 PM	#28
clicker666 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Lower Sackville, Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 327 Rep Power: 0	Here's with my machine OC'd to 3000 MHz and 101.70 3D Mark 2006: 8787 SM 2.0: 3902 SM 3.0: 3723 CPU: 2437 OC'd to 3375 with 101.65 (I found 3375 wasn't a good working OC) 3D Mark 2006: 8619 SM 2.0: 3767 SM 3.0: 3650 CPU: 2465 Stock 1800 MHz with 101.65 3D Mark 2006: 7288 SM 2.0: 3433 SM 3.0: 3523 CPU: 1521 Draw your own conclusions, but it seems to me that the newer driver has better performance. It's also interesting to see what effect the OC has on the performance for the video card overall as well. __________________

Apr 15, 2007, 10:29 PM	#29
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 129 System Specs	There has also been reports these drivers increase temps by 10c. I haven't tried these yet because of the DX10 issues so I personally don't know if they do or not. I wonder if that comes in to play with w/ the performance increase???

Apr 15, 2007, 10:40 PM	#30
clicker666 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Lower Sackville, Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 327 Rep Power: 0	I have no idea how to check my temps with the new CP. __________________