Who has probs (BSOD's) with Vista and 7.3

timkill · Apr 5, 2007, 08:56 AM

Here is what worked for me:

I went back to the restore point before install. Then when I reinstalled the drivers I checked ONLY Catalyst Control Center and drivers. Now everything runs fine. I think that the RAID driver and the C++ update are the problem...at least for me.

cuke2u · Apr 5, 2007, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhyinem

You are incorrect Sir. We're trying to get a fix posted on the website ASAP. I don't think it will need to wait until Cat 7.4. It will likely be a hotfix article...

Cheers!

Indeed that is good news if it happens, however I can only go on what the ATI technicians told me:

"We have responded to your issue.
[COLOR=black]This issue has been reported by some end users, the current workaround is to install the Catalyst 7.2 drivers and wait for the Catalyst 7.4 drivers later this month."[/COLOR]

cefoskey · Apr 5, 2007, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cuke2u

Indeed that is good news if it happens, however I can only go on what the ATI technicians told me:

"We have responded to your issue.
[COLOR=black]This issue has been reported by some end users, the current workaround is to install the Catalyst 7.2 drivers and wait for the Catalyst 7.4 drivers later this month."[/COLOR]

Well us poor suckers with 1950GTs are out of luck for nearly 3 months with our new cards. Imagine that, my card will likely be price-performance obsolete before I can ever even use it.

PS. Cat 7.2 specifically does not support the 1950GT and says in the release notes to wait for 7.3. Now they're saying "Wait for 7.4"

*rhyinem* · Apr 5, 2007, 05:03 PM

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*CATALYST maker* · Apr 5, 2007, 05:15 PM

Good news. Below is an email that will go out in the next few minutes to journalists that are following the problem. It is only appropriate that I post it here first, because to be very honest, without the help of this thread we would not have been able to solve this issue (which in fact was not a catalyst bug - we just work around a potential Vista issue)

[COLOR=black]An intermittent interaction issue between Catalyst 7.3 and Vista has been resolved via a hotfix driver update. We apologize to all our users for any inconvenience this issue has caused. We especially want to thank the enthusiast and forum community on DriverHeaven.net for their patience and for sending us invaluable information to help us reproduce the issue in our labs. The hotfix driver update can be downloaded (link below) As an added bonus, we’ve introduced Crossfire support for the popular game Stalker![/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][COLOR=#000080]http://support.ati.com/ics/support/d...estionID=26900[/COLOR][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][COLOR=#000080][/COLOR][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][COLOR=#000080]Note: the hotfix has just been posted so it may take a few minutes to hit the server, so try again in a few minutes if its not currently there.[/COLOR][/COLOR]

Ex_Brit · Apr 5, 2007, 05:22 PM

Thanks very much Terry.

theonlybabyface · Apr 5, 2007, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CATALYST maker

Good news. Below is an email that will go out in the next few minutes to journalists that are following the problem. It is only appropriate that I post it here first, because to be very honest, without the help of this thread we would not have been able to solve this issue (which in fact was not a catalyst bug - we just work around a potential Vista issue)

[COLOR=black]An intermittent interaction issue between Catalyst 7.3 and Vista has been resolved via a hotfix driver update. We apologize to all our users for any inconvenience this issue has caused. We especially want to thank the enthusiast and forum community on DriverHeaven.net for their patience and for sending us invaluable information to help us reproduce the issue in our labs. The hotfix driver update can be downloaded (link below) As an added bonus, we’ve introduced Crossfire support for the popular game Stalker![/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][COLOR=#000080]http://support.ati.com/ics/support/d...estionID=26900[/COLOR][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][COLOR=#000080]Note: the hotfix has just been posted so it may take a few minutes to hit the server, so try again in a few minutes if its not currently there.[/COLOR][/COLOR]

Thanks Terry. We will test it. Out of curiousity, can you tell us what was the cause of the issue and what was done to get around it???

cefoskey · Apr 5, 2007, 05:45 PM

The hotfix works.

MissileMan · Apr 5, 2007, 06:27 PM

Worked fine for me, but for some strange reason I got 3 stopped responding messages from Vista when installing the hotfix. Happened about every time it blanked the screen. I also got 2 lost communication errors from my APC UPS program which uses USB. I just hit the red X on the stopped responding messages and it completed and log said no errors.

Here's my step by step.

I had a clean working 7.2 install.

Disabled Crossfire

Ran 7.3 install and chose update.

Completed without errors according to log.

When asked to reboot I said no.

Ran 7.3 hot fix.

Chose update.

Got above errors.

Rebooted after complettion.

Re-enabled Crossfire.

All appears to be working fine.

Just a few strange indications during the update, but working none the less.

timkill · Apr 5, 2007, 06:39 PM

still getting the BSOD when I try to goto crossfire mode...

thirtyandover · Apr 5, 2007, 06:43 PM

I'm sorry, but is this Hotfix Multilanguage or only for english versions?

*CATALYSTCATCHER* · Apr 5, 2007, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thirtyandover

I'm sorry, but is this Hotfix Multilanguage or only for english versions?

English only.

Judas · Apr 5, 2007, 07:15 PM

seems to be working good.... the bat file is no longer need from what i can tell.

JohnY2 · Apr 5, 2007, 07:28 PM

Terry,

The hotfix package doesn't work for me with my Fic A97p 128mb 9700pro and CUV4X-DLS dual PIII w/ Via ApolloPro 694X board. I get the same BSOD that I see with every driver set except 8.31.100.321 Vista RTM.

Stop 0x00000116 (0x84B0F0B8, 0x8F16F274, 0x00000000, 0x00000002)
atikmdag.sys - Address 8F16F274 base at 8F157000, DateStamp 46130ab4

I appreciate for your efforts here, and I'd be glad to do a fresh install or whatever else is needed to help test.

JohnY2

*CATALYST maker* · Apr 5, 2007, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnY2

Terry,

The hotfix package doesn't work for me with my Fic A97p 128mb 9700pro and CUV4X-DLS dual PIII w/ Via ApolloPro 694X board. I get the same BSOD that I see with every driver set except 8.31.100.321 Vista RTM.

Stop 0x00000116 (0x84B0F0B8, 0x8F16F274, 0x00000000, 0x00000002)
atikmdag.sys - Address 8F16F274 base at 8F157000, DateStamp 46130ab4

I appreciate for your efforts here, and I'd be glad to do a fresh install or whatever else is needed to help test.

JohnY2

Hi John. The error you describe is not the same as the one we are dealing with on this thread. This one is win32k.sys blue screen error. For your error would you be so kind as to start up a new thread with the error message as the title, and post your full system specs and then that way I can see if anyone else has that problem.

timkill · Apr 5, 2007, 08:21 PM

I just went back uninstalled 7.3, cleaned the registry, did a fresh install of the 7.3 driver package, applied the hotfix and now it works.

Kudos for the STALKER Crossfire support btw.

mike2h · Apr 5, 2007, 08:46 PM

while i have not participated in this thread or had the problems here as my wifes 1800xl is on xp system, i just wanted to thank you, TERRY(ty very much judas lol), for the way you have dealt with this and other ati problems.
wished the 'other' brand would take a lesson.
because of the way u & ati have dealt with various issues there is a very good chance i will be buying an ati card when i upgrade next.
thx again for your efforts.

Judas · Apr 5, 2007, 08:56 PM

glad to be of help for ya mike2h

just happy that the first install of the 7.3's was on my testbed (which every first install is usually)....

Hot fix still working well...

cuke2u · Apr 5, 2007, 09:06 PM

Hi, wow that was quick, my system is now working fine with the 7.3.
Thanks Terry and thanks to your team, good work....
ChrisC

*rhyinem* · Apr 5, 2007, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnY2

Terry,

The hotfix package doesn't work for me with my Fic A97p 128mb 9700pro and CUV4X-DLS dual PIII w/ Via ApolloPro 694X board. I get the same BSOD that I see with every driver set except 8.31.100.321 Vista RTM.

Stop 0x00000116 (0x84B0F0B8, 0x8F16F274, 0x00000000, 0x00000002)
atikmdag.sys - Address 8F16F274 base at 8F157000, DateStamp 46130ab4

I appreciate for your efforts here, and I'd be glad to do a fresh install or whatever else is needed to help test.

JohnY2

This is actually a documented issue in the KB. Its a result of using a motherboard that is not Vista ready.

yuripave · Apr 5, 2007, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhyinem

This is actually a documented issue in the KB. Its a result of using a motherboard that is not Vista ready.

My motherboard is Intel 915gm with ATI mobility X600 and I get the same issue

The workaround I am using is after installing catalyst 7.2 or 7.3, go into safe mode and replace the atikmdag.sys with the one came with 8.31.100.3.2.1.

The question I would like to ask is what specific function I will not able to use because of changing the kernal driver to an old one. So far I am running everything fine even OpenGL.
Another question is if the old kernal driver works, it should be technically able to revert something and make everyone who is using a non-vista ready motherboard happy. I wonder why ATI team is unable to do that....

JerCal · Apr 5, 2007, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CATALYST maker

Good news. Below is an email that will go out in the next few minutes to journalists that are following the problem. It is only appropriate that I post it here first, because to be very honest, without the help of this thread we would not have been able to solve this issue (which in fact was not a catalyst bug - we just work around a potential Vista issue)

[COLOR=black]An intermittent interaction issue between Catalyst 7.3 and Vista has been resolved via a hotfix driver update. We apologize to all our users for any inconvenience this issue has caused. We especially want to thank the enthusiast and forum community on DriverHeaven.net for their patience and for sending us invaluable information to help us reproduce the issue in our labs. The hotfix driver update can be downloaded (link below) As an added bonus, we’ve introduced Crossfire support for the popular game Stalker![/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][COLOR=#000080]http://support.ati.com/ics/support/d...estionID=26900[/COLOR][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][COLOR=#000080]Note: the hotfix has just been posted so it may take a few minutes to hit the server, so try again in a few minutes if its not currently there.[/COLOR][/COLOR]

According to the link, the cause of the issue is still not known.

JohnY2 · Apr 6, 2007, 02:08 AM

I wrote:

The hotfix package doesn't work for me with my Fic A97p 128mb 9700pro and CUV4X-DLS dual PIII w/ Via ApolloPro 694X board. I get the same BSOD that I see with every driver set except 8.31.100.321 Vista RTM.

Stop 0x00000116 (0x84B0F0B8, 0x8F16F274, 0x00000000, 0x00000002)
atikmdag.sys - Address 8F16F274 base at 8F157000, DateStamp 46130ab4

I appreciate for your efforts here, and I'd be glad to do a fresh install or whatever else is needed to help test.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhyinem

This is actually a documented issue in the KB. Its a result of using a motherboard that is not Vista ready.

But the RTM release drivers do work and nvidia cards and drivers work as well. Every other on board peripheral works as well. I'll gather up the data and start another thread.

JohnY2

yuripave · Apr 6, 2007, 02:38 AM

Look at my previous post on above to get a workaround for this temporarily.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnY2

I wrote:

The hotfix package doesn't work for me with my Fic A97p 128mb 9700pro and CUV4X-DLS dual PIII w/ Via ApolloPro 694X board. I get the same BSOD that I see with every driver set except 8.31.100.321 Vista RTM.

Stop 0x00000116 (0x84B0F0B8, 0x8F16F274, 0x00000000, 0x00000002)
atikmdag.sys - Address 8F16F274 base at 8F157000, DateStamp 46130ab4

I appreciate for your efforts here, and I'd be glad to do a fresh install or whatever else is needed to help test.

But the RTM release drivers do work and nvidia cards and drivers work as well. Every other on board peripheral works as well. I'll gather up the data and start another thread.

JohnY2

MechaMorph · Apr 6, 2007, 02:40 AM

Awesome. Great work Terry and co. Thanks.

-MM

slyder314 · Apr 6, 2007, 02:53 AM

Thank you so muck Terry for this Hot-Fix!!

For me,the BSOD on startup is completely gone and i dont know if it's normal,but...i have also a performance boost in Crossfire Mode on Oblivion.STALKER now run nothing less then 2x more fast on Crossfire mode for me!!!

Nice work!!!And thank's for fixing this issue quickly!!

JohnY2 · Apr 6, 2007, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yuripave

Look at my previous post on above to get a workaround for this temporarily.

Thanks I missed that, I give it a try...

JohnY2

JT2046 · Apr 6, 2007, 06:30 AM

Fantastic. Well done Catalyst Team.

Arananeus · Apr 6, 2007, 11:14 AM

Hi people

System: Windows Vista 32bit
HIS ATi Radon X1800XT

Good to hear that there's a hotfix. But it made things worse for me...much worse.

I installe 7.3 as usual and then added the hotfix. The screen went black as usual during the installation but well...it didn't change back. It was black for 15 minutes. I restarted the PC and well... The screen turns black and goes into standby modus everytime Windows loads.

Only workaround is using the safe mode and turning the display driver to the VGA Standard.

Since then I'm not able to install a functional catalyst driver. I installed multiple older catalyst drivers with the same result..black screen during windows startup.

I'm currently logged in with my VGA Standard driver and don't know what to do! Everytime I install a catalyst...well it seems that it doesn't installe them correctly as the screen doens't flicker during the installation any more!

Please help me...

After that's done..I'll stay with 7.2 and never touch the hotfix again...

Arananeus

Edti:

Edti:

Here's the report from the catalyst installer (7.1)
Hardware information
Name Radeon X1800 Series
Secondary Manufacturer ATI Technologies Inc
Catalyst Control Center Final Status: Succeed
ATI Display Driver Final Status: Succeed - Version of Item: 8.333.0.0

Everythin succeeded but the Driver isn't installed correctly..I don't get it..

*CATALYSTCATCHER* · Apr 6, 2007, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arananeus

Hi people

System: Windows Vista 32bit
HIS ATi Radon X1800XT

Good to hear that there's a hotfix. But it made things worse for me...much worse.

I installe 7.3 as usual and then added the hotfix. The screen went black as usual during the installation but well...it didn't change back. It was black for 15 minutes. I restarted the PC and well... The screen turns black and goes into standby modus everytime Windows loads.

Only workaround is using the safe mode and turning the display driver to the VGA Standard.

Since then I'm not able to install a functional catalyst driver. I installed multiple older catalyst drivers with the same result..black screen during windows startup.

I'm currently logged in with my VGA Standard driver and don't know what to do! Everytime I install a catalyst...well it seems that it doesn't installe them correctly as the screen doens't flicker during the installation any more!

Please help me...

After that's done..I'll stay with 7.2 and never touch the hotfix again...

Arananeus

Edti:

Edti:

Here's the report from the catalyst installer (7.1)
Hardware information
Name Radeon X1800 Series
Secondary Manufacturer ATI Technologies Inc
Catalyst Control Center Final Status: Succeed
ATI Display Driver Final Status: Succeed - Version of Item: 8.333.0.0

Everythin succeeded but the Driver isn't installed correctly..I don't get it..

The report indicates that the driver installed properly which is very likley the case. The problem is that the driver does not run properly. (Sorry, but there is a difference as you can appreciate from the BSOD problem which is the main topic of this thread.)

Your problem, based on your description seems like it may be related to 1 of 2 things.

1- The graphics card may have trouble initializing the display after the driver loads. Hence the display goes black and stays that way. Things to try depend on your display. For example if you use a DFP and it is connected thru DVI, try connecting with a VGA cable.
OR
2- The graphics card has problems on the the PCIe bus when the driver loads. This could be due to many things. For example failing hardware , ocing the graphics card or system, chipset drivers just to mention a few.

In any case, it would be nice to know more system HW detail (make and model stuff) including the display type and connection before doing any more WAG troubleshooting.
WAG = "Wild A$$ Guess" :-)

You might even consider a new thread if you know of other people with a similar problem description.

CC

Apr 5, 2007, 05:03 PM	#214
rhyinem AMD Staff Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: toronto Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	.. __________________ I see dead pixels. Last edited by rhyinem; Apr 5, 2007 at 05:10 PM.

Apr 5, 2007, 05:15 PM	#215
CATALYST maker ATI driver guru Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: ATI, Canada Posts: 678 Rep Power: 63	Hotfix Available Good news. Below is an email that will go out in the next few minutes to journalists that are following the problem. It is only appropriate that I post it here first, because to be very honest, without the help of this thread we would not have been able to solve this issue (which in fact was not a catalyst bug - we just work around a potential Vista issue) [COLOR=black]An intermittent interaction issue between Catalyst 7.3 and Vista has been resolved via a hotfix driver update. We apologize to all our users for any inconvenience this issue has caused. We especially want to thank the enthusiast and forum community on DriverHeaven.net for their patience and for sending us invaluable information to help us reproduce the issue in our labs. The hotfix driver update can be downloaded (link below) As an added bonus, we’ve introduced Crossfire support for the popular game Stalker![/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][COLOR=#000080]http://support.ati.com/ics/support/d...estionID=26900[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][COLOR=#000080][/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][COLOR=#000080]Note: the hotfix has just been posted so it may take a few minutes to hit the server, so try again in a few minutes if its not currently there.[/COLOR][/COLOR] __________________ Follow me on Twitter for exclusive Catalyst news and updates http://twitter.com/CatalystMaker What evil person came up with this scheme? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0qXZTOtszI Have either a CPU, an ATI GPU (X1600 and higher), or a Playstation 3? Join team 51394 the DH and ATI team for Folding@Home http://folding.stanford.edu/download.html

Apr 5, 2007, 05:22 PM	#216
Ex_Brit DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Thanks very much Terry. __________________ [color=navy]Peter[/color]

Apr 5, 2007, 07:28 PM	#224
JohnY2 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Terry, The hotfix package doesn't work for me with my Fic A97p 128mb 9700pro and CUV4X-DLS dual PIII w/ Via ApolloPro 694X board. I get the same BSOD that I see with every driver set except 8.31.100.321 Vista RTM. Stop 0x00000116 (0x84B0F0B8, 0x8F16F274, 0x00000000, 0x00000002) atikmdag.sys - Address 8F16F274 base at 8F157000, DateStamp 46130ab4 I appreciate for your efforts here, and I'd be glad to do a fresh install or whatever else is needed to help test. JohnY2 Last edited by JohnY2; Apr 5, 2007 at 07:31 PM. Reason: add info

Apr 5, 2007, 08:46 PM	#227
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	while i have not participated in this thread or had the problems here as my wifes 1800xl is on xp system, i just wanted to thank you, TERRY(ty very much judas lol), for the way you have dealt with this and other ati problems. wished the 'other' brand would take a lesson. because of the way u & ati have dealt with various issues there is a very good chance i will be buying an ati card when i upgrade next. thx again for your efforts. __________________ Last edited by mike2h; Apr 6, 2007 at 08:37 AM.

Apr 5, 2007, 08:56 AM	#211
timkill DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Here is what worked for me: I went back to the restore point before install. Then when I reinstalled the drivers I checked ONLY Catalyst Control Center and drivers. Now everything runs fine. I think that the RAID driver and the C++ update are the problem...at least for me.

Apr 5, 2007, 05:45 PM	#218
cefoskey DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: West Lafayette, IN Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	The hotfix works.

Apr 5, 2007, 06:27 PM	#219
MissileMan DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0	Worked fine for me, but for some strange reason I got 3 stopped responding messages from Vista when installing the hotfix. Happened about every time it blanked the screen. I also got 2 lost communication errors from my APC UPS program which uses USB. I just hit the red X on the stopped responding messages and it completed and log said no errors. Here's my step by step. I had a clean working 7.2 install. Disabled Crossfire Ran 7.3 install and chose update. Completed without errors according to log. When asked to reboot I said no. Ran 7.3 hot fix. Chose update. Got above errors. Rebooted after complettion. Re-enabled Crossfire. All appears to be working fine. Just a few strange indications during the update, but working none the less.

Apr 5, 2007, 06:39 PM	#220
timkill DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	still getting the BSOD when I try to goto crossfire mode...

Apr 5, 2007, 06:43 PM	#221
thirtyandover DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Land of Hamlet Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	I'm sorry, but is this Hotfix Multilanguage or only for english versions?

Apr 5, 2007, 08:21 PM	#226
timkill DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	I just went back uninstalled 7.3, cleaned the registry, did a fresh install of the 7.3 driver package, applied the hotfix and now it works. Kudos for the STALKER Crossfire support btw.

Apr 5, 2007, 09:06 PM	#229
cuke2u DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 75 Rep Power: 0	Hi, wow that was quick, my system is now working fine with the 7.3. Thanks Terry and thanks to your team, good work.... ChrisC __________________ Asus P5B Premuim Vista Edition Intel Core 2 Duo 6600 Crucial Anniversary (2x1gb) 2x Samsung 3200g ATI X1900XT-X

Apr 6, 2007, 02:40 AM	#235
MechaMorph DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	Awesome. Great work Terry and co. Thanks. -MM

Apr 6, 2007, 02:53 AM	#236
slyder314 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: LaPrairie(Canada,QC) Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Thank you so muck Terry for this Hot-Fix!! For me,the BSOD on startup is completely gone and i dont know if it's normal,but...i have also a performance boost in Crossfire Mode on Oblivion.STALKER now run nothing less then 2x more fast on Crossfire mode for me!!! Nice work!!!And thank's for fixing this issue quickly!! __________________ Intel Core 2 Duo X6800ES@4.44ghz Vapochill LightSpeed(Phase Change Cooling) Asus P5W-DH Deluxe Deluxe 2x1go Mushkin Redline PC8000 Original Ati Radeon X1900XTX +Original ATI Radeon X1900 CrossFire Edition Soundblaster X-FI Extreme Music Thermaltake Pure Power 680w Raptor-X 150go,WD 200go,Maxtor 300GO,Seagate 320g

Apr 6, 2007, 06:30 AM	#238
JT2046 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Fantastic. Well done Catalyst Team.

Apr 6, 2007, 11:14 AM	#239
Arananeus DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Hi people System: Windows Vista 32bit HIS ATi Radon X1800XT Good to hear that there's a hotfix. But it made things worse for me...much worse. I installe 7.3 as usual and then added the hotfix. The screen went black as usual during the installation but well...it didn't change back. It was black for 15 minutes. I restarted the PC and well... The screen turns black and goes into standby modus everytime Windows loads. Only workaround is using the safe mode and turning the display driver to the VGA Standard. Since then I'm not able to install a functional catalyst driver. I installed multiple older catalyst drivers with the same result..black screen during windows startup. I'm currently logged in with my VGA Standard driver and don't know what to do! Everytime I install a catalyst...well it seems that it doesn't installe them correctly as the screen doens't flicker during the installation any more! Please help me... After that's done..I'll stay with 7.2 and never touch the hotfix again... Arananeus Edti: Edti: Here's the report from the catalyst installer (7.1) Hardware information Name Radeon X1800 Series Secondary Manufacturer ATI Technologies Inc Catalyst Control Center Final Status: Succeed ATI Display Driver Final Status: Succeed - Version of Item: 8.333.0.0 Everythin succeeded but the Driver isn't installed correctly..I don't get it.. Last edited by Arananeus; Apr 6, 2007 at 12:27 PM.