2 Radeon cards conflicting?

apeg · Jul 4, 2007, 08:49 PM

I have 2 Radeon cards on my System

Radeon 9000 (PCI)
Radeon 9600 (AGP)

Its an older system but gets the job done, vista installed fine no problems but I cant get the 2 cards to run @ the same time?

If I put my AGP as the main display adapter in the bios vista loads up perfectly and give the 9600 (driver = Radeon 9600 Series) but my 9000 (driver = ATI mobility Radeon 9000 (Microsoft Corporation – XDDM)) has an error saying “Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43)”

If I change in my bios to primary adapter to PCI I get the reverse… Same drivers but now the 9000 is working perfectly but the 9600 has the error “Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43)”

one at a time they are working perfectly but at the same time the default takes priority? An IRQ conflict?

any ideas will be appreciated as I havnt the slightest were to begin on fixing this?

-aPeG

thecaretaker · Jul 5, 2007, 03:00 AM

I didn't know you could run both (PCI and AGP) cards. Have you tried moving the PCI card to another PCI slot?

What advantage is there in doing this over running one card?

apeg · Jul 5, 2007, 05:53 AM

Yes i have trying moving the PCI card to another slot, but it does not have any effect on the reults.

The reason for running the two cards is to get dual monitors

-aPeG

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jul 5, 2007, 07:50 AM

for one Radeon 9000 (PCI)/Radeon 9600 (AGP) use different
drivers (DX8.1 and older hardware stopped getting updated)
plus their capabilities difference is huge

um why not get a newer card with 2 outputs?

apeg · Jul 5, 2007, 06:28 PM

Performance, when you have to different card running the dual monitor there isn’t as much load on each card, and seeing how I am dealing with older card in the first place every bit counts. The heavyset gaming this system sees is solitaire, so going out and purchasing a new card is money I would rather put into more hard drive’s

I have noticed the following… don’t know if this makes any difference

When I am running off the 9000, vista is in “classic” mode… no glass boarder and fancy visual effects… but when I am running off the 9600 all those effects are present, I have tried forcing the 9600 into classic mode to see if that helps the 9000 but no luck.

-aPeG

matguy · Aug 22, 2007, 08:35 PM

I run 4 monitors from 2 cards and see this same issue from multiple configurations. Cards I have tried:

Radeon X1550 PCI-E x16
Radeon X600 PCI-E x16
Radeon X300 PCI-E x16

Radeon 7000 PCI
GeForce FX5200 PCI
GeForce FX5200 PCI
Matrox G200 PCI (single VGA)

The machine is a Dell Optiplex 745 (also tried on a GX620) with:

PCI-E x16
PCI
PCI
PCI-E x1

I can get 2 PCI cards (GeForce FX5200) cards to work together at the same time, but not any combination of PCI-E and PCI cards of the cards I have available. I need 1 of the PCI slots for a second NIC (long story involving the onboard broadcom nic not playing nice with the switch.) At this piont, the hardware solution I see is a Quad output card. I could gamble on PCI-E x1 and x16 playing nice together, but I can't count on it. A decent Quad output card isn't cheap ($350+)

Now, keep in mind that any of these combinations worked fine in XP. So, this really doesn't seem to be so much of a driver issue as much as Vista doesn't seem to like having non-identical cards to span video across. I could care less about AeroGlass or any other desktop 3D, this is primarily a work machine.

I'm about to go so far as to run the monitors off an XP machine and span remote desktop of Vista across the 4 screens. I would just go back to XP in general, but I'm on a pilot team "testing" Vista as a daily use OS and I guess I'm about the worst case scenario for what we'll have to support with Vista.

There was a compatability package that was released recently, but that doesn't seem to help this situation (that update was what prompted me to try again and search some more, which is how I found this thread.)

matguy · Aug 22, 2007, 09:21 PM

This is your answer:

MultiMonitor Support and Windows Vista

Ahh, but answers are not always solutions. The solution is to download XP versions of the driver(s) and manully set the device to use the XP version in Device Manager (update driver, Browse, select from list, have disk, navigate to inf)

Do this for all your video cards and you they should all work together, even different brands. I have an ATI Radeon x600 and a Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 together working well, just as they did in XP.

matguy · Aug 22, 2007, 10:12 PM

And the plot thickens.

It worked great... untill I tried to remote desktop to another machine, where my machine instantly blue screened. Twice for good measure, so it's consistent and repeatable.

I pulled the GeForce 5200 and put in the Radeon 7500 (thought it was a 7000, not that it really makes a difference other than they're both Radeon's now) and all seems well so far (well, about ~5 minutes so far, but RDP works.)

Jul 4, 2007, 08:49 PM	#1
apeg DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	2 Radeon cards conflicting? I have 2 Radeon cards on my System Radeon 9000 (PCI) Radeon 9600 (AGP) Its an older system but gets the job done, vista installed fine no problems but I cant get the 2 cards to run @ the same time? If I put my AGP as the main display adapter in the bios vista loads up perfectly and give the 9600 (driver = Radeon 9600 Series) but my 9000 (driver = ATI mobility Radeon 9000 (Microsoft Corporation – XDDM)) has an error saying “Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43)” If I change in my bios to primary adapter to PCI I get the reverse… Same drivers but now the 9000 is working perfectly but the 9600 has the error “Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43)” one at a time they are working perfectly but at the same time the default takes priority? An IRQ conflict? any ideas will be appreciated as I havnt the slightest were to begin on fixing this? -aPeG

Jul 5, 2007, 03:00 AM	#2
thecaretaker DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	I didn't know you could run both (PCI and AGP) cards. Have you tried moving the PCI card to another PCI slot? What advantage is there in doing this over running one card? __________________ My Demoscene website My Caretakers Website

Jul 5, 2007, 07:50 AM	#4
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	for one Radeon 9000 (PCI)/Radeon 9600 (AGP) use different drivers (DX8.1 and older hardware stopped getting updated) plus their capabilities difference is huge um why not get a newer card with 2 outputs? __________________

Jul 5, 2007, 05:53 AM	Thread Starter #3
apeg DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Yes i have trying moving the PCI card to another slot, but it does not have any effect on the reults. The reason for running the two cards is to get dual monitors -aPeG

Jul 5, 2007, 06:28 PM	Thread Starter #5
apeg DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Performance, when you have to different card running the dual monitor there isn’t as much load on each card, and seeing how I am dealing with older card in the first place every bit counts. The heavyset gaming this system sees is solitaire, so going out and purchasing a new card is money I would rather put into more hard drive’s I have noticed the following… don’t know if this makes any difference When I am running off the 9000, vista is in “classic” mode… no glass boarder and fancy visual effects… but when I am running off the 9600 all those effects are present, I have tried forcing the 9600 into classic mode to see if that helps the 9000 but no luck. -aPeG

Aug 22, 2007, 08:35 PM	#6
matguy DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	I run 4 monitors from 2 cards and see this same issue from multiple configurations. Cards I have tried: Radeon X1550 PCI-E x16 Radeon X600 PCI-E x16 Radeon X300 PCI-E x16 Radeon 7000 PCI GeForce FX5200 PCI GeForce FX5200 PCI Matrox G200 PCI (single VGA) The machine is a Dell Optiplex 745 (also tried on a GX620) with: PCI-E x16 PCI PCI PCI-E x1 I can get 2 PCI cards (GeForce FX5200) cards to work together at the same time, but not any combination of PCI-E and PCI cards of the cards I have available. I need 1 of the PCI slots for a second NIC (long story involving the onboard broadcom nic not playing nice with the switch.) At this piont, the hardware solution I see is a Quad output card. I could gamble on PCI-E x1 and x16 playing nice together, but I can't count on it. A decent Quad output card isn't cheap ($350+) Now, keep in mind that any of these combinations worked fine in XP. So, this really doesn't seem to be so much of a driver issue as much as Vista doesn't seem to like having non-identical cards to span video across. I could care less about AeroGlass or any other desktop 3D, this is primarily a work machine. I'm about to go so far as to run the monitors off an XP machine and span remote desktop of Vista across the 4 screens. I would just go back to XP in general, but I'm on a pilot team "testing" Vista as a daily use OS and I guess I'm about the worst case scenario for what we'll have to support with Vista. There was a compatability package that was released recently, but that doesn't seem to help this situation (that update was what prompted me to try again and search some more, which is how I found this thread.)

Aug 22, 2007, 09:21 PM	#7
matguy DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	This is your answer: MultiMonitor Support and Windows Vista Ahh, but answers are not always solutions. The solution is to download XP versions of the driver(s) and manully set the device to use the XP version in Device Manager (update driver, Browse, select from list, have disk, navigate to inf) Do this for all your video cards and you they should all work together, even different brands. I have an ATI Radeon x600 and a Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 together working well, just as they did in XP.

Aug 22, 2007, 10:12 PM	#8
matguy DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	And the plot thickens. It worked great... untill I tried to remote desktop to another machine, where my machine instantly blue screened. Twice for good measure, so it's consistent and repeatable. I pulled the GeForce 5200 and put in the Radeon 7500 (thought it was a 7000, not that it really makes a difference other than they're both Radeon's now) and all seems well so far (well, about ~5 minutes so far, but RDP works.)