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Old Nov 21, 2012, 07:37 PM   #91
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Windows 8 of all things shouldn't boot slower or anything....

Having installed it on numerous old/new/slow/fast machines.... Doesn't appear to matter.. the sucker flies..
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I will be sticking with Win7 my philosophy is don't fix anything that is not broke besides removing the start button is kinda a let down I use a PC not a tablet.
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Got windows 8 pro my bro helping out his wedding that he forget give me. Good thing I waited for it. I'd been loving windows 8 apps so far. You know guys if you want your start menu back there app for that too google it lol.
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^^ or just simply go to Ninite. I've seen the start bar for win8 there as well.
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Seems there's an app for everything these days...
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^^ There's even an app for that!
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There program called pokki I found let you have custom star menu and it's free Some how I found unpond by searching cab support file lol which didn't work for me lol. So I uninstalled keep the pokki program lol. Some reason windows 8 hate PA 2007 I can't zip into cab file anymore. When I upgrade to PA 2012 it wouldn't let me do it either. So I told PA people let them know about the setup issue after ziping in cab. I had used my older XP HP computer get to work lol. I guess I be zipping on older HP computer for while .
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After looking at three different aspects of Windows 7 vs Windows 8 performance, I think we have a pretty clear picture of which one performs better overall.
Gaming Performance Ill say this first of all if you are gaming on an AMD FX CPU, you absolutely should upgrade to Windows 8 as soon as you can. Every game we tested performed significantly better in Wind0ws 8, especially when on an AMD CPU. The only exception was Batman: Arkham City.
Which brings us to another issue driver maturity. While Windows 8 performed better in most games, there were a few instances where it was clear that Nvidia and AMD were having some slight driver issues. In Batman: Arkham City, the GeForce card had a less consistent frame rate than the AMD card. And in Crysis 2, this was reversed, although not significantly.
So if your main consideration with PC performance is gaming, a Windows 8 upgrade should be in your future, especially if you are on an AMD Piledriver or Bulldozer CPU.
Application Performance Windows 8 is consistently faster in the office application scenarios we tested. Note that we tested the overall responsiveness of various applications, rather than simply testing the operations themselves. This means that we were able to take into consideration things like faster UI improvements that might not show up on standard benchmarks. Windows 8 may not run a particular operation any faster than Windows 7, but it will actually be more responsive when doing work.
Windows Components Performance This is probably the least critical aspect we tested, but its worth noting that if you use software that makes use of integrated components like image manipulation (WIC), video encoding (WMF), or even Internet Explorer, Windows 8 is consistently faster overall. One outlier was the CNG cryptographe engine, but that was only off by 2%. There was also an issue with resizing video win PCMark 7, but basic transcoding performance doubled in Windows 8.
Whether you love or hate the Metro UI (and again Ill repeat that you can ignore it by installing Classic Shell), its pretty clear that enough performance improvements found their way into Windows 8 that it shouldnt be automatically dismissed. At the very least, its good to know that if you do choose to upgrade, performance wont suffer.
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I got me an inexpensive little 11,6" laptop last week. Came with Windows 7 and it runs well, but since after all it's a low end performer I thought a little bit about maybe trying out Windows 8 on it after all. But then I noticed how that with 1368x768 on a 11,6" laptop screen (which you have further away than a tablet) it was nice to just slightly nudge up the font size for elements inside Windows. With Windows 8 they've taken that option away, together with a number of other customisations. So it's a no-go.
(Edit: they've hidden a menu that lets you change the size of some system fonts but not the font itself, giving you back about 1% of the control present in previous versions of Windows.

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As much as I liked Win 8 in the first two months or so....It does have some plus points like a Much faster boot up than w7.And games seemed to run slightly smoother.

I had a windows update that sent my PC into an infinite loop of Installing the Update / Restart / Update Failed after Restart (Half an hour to revert back to the last working save) / Update Installing then please reboot / Update Failed please restart which went on four two hours.

So im back on w7.... im going to hold out for a SWP1 for W8 before I try this again..
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I got windows 8 for 2 months now. It doesn't feel like an upgrade, more of a new look. the apps aren't that need to use or really that dependent. overall if you are already happy with win7, win8 is not a big upgrade.
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As much as I liked Win 8 in the first two months or so....It does have some plus points like a Much faster boot up than w7.And games seemed to run slightly smoother.

I had a windows update that sent my PC into an infinite loop of Installing the Update / Restart / Update Failed after Restart (Half an hour to revert back to the last working save) / Update Installing then please reboot / Update Failed please restart which went on four two hours.

So im back on w7.... im going to hold out for a SWP1 for W8 before I try this again..
That's too bad. I'm still holding off getting Windows 8, I'll get it with a new system, I've decided now that I will keep this one for another year. It still works good, so there's no worry so far.
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I'll chime in on this. If you are happy with Windows 7 and dont need to use a drive larger than 2 TB's then Windows 8 is a waste of your time. Windows 8 only allows you to use over t TB's because it uses the UEFI bios by default. UEFI is a bloody nightmare. it's buggy to begin with and OEM's have a choice of installing a scaled down UEFI or a full blown UEFI or anything in between. UEFI can have over 200 options most of you will never see enabled in a system.

If you Dual Boot you cannot use UEFI for most operating systems because Windows 8 is installed under UEFI to use its Secure Boot feature on all systems that come pre installed with Windows 8 - another bloody nightmare. This locks you out of installing anything for dual boot that does not have a key signed by Microsoft (100 bucks to get the signed key) You can use UEFI in some systems while disabling Secure Boot but only if the operating system supports UEFI - and UEFI is so buggy, this working is proving to be hit and miss. The best thing to do is uninstall your Windows 8 format the drive, switch to Legacy Bios mode if your PC supports it, then reinstall windows and your other dual boot system.

Another problem with Windows 8 preinstalled is the OEM's are under No obligation to give you UEFI support. I went round and round with HP reps on the phone over this. They admitted to me that they adhere to Microsofts wishes and not give UEFI support because thats the way Microsoft wants it. They do this because Microsoft pays for a portion of the hardware when you buy a PC preinstalled with Windows 8. It's a legal scam, a legal bribe, all in the guise of doing business. After I found that out, i'll never buy another HP again.

The HP reps told me all OEM's have this same agreement with Microsoft, Dell Gateway, HP, Lenovo - anyone who sells desktops, laptops or tablets with Windows 8 preinstalled. I will never do business with any of these companies again who seek to control the user and manipulate them for greeds sake. I want to make sure the whole world knows how Microsoft and these OEM's are in bed together to screw the customer.

Last problem is the new "metro" like User Interface. Most people hate it. You can disable it and go right to the desktop on startup, complete with a new Satrt Menu button using the free app, Classic Shell.

All in all there is nothing Windows 8 can do better than Windows 7. Stay away from the machines with preinstalled Windows 8 - if you must have Windows 8 buy it and do a clean install on a legacy bios system. Also tons of Windows 7 software won't work on Windows 8 at all untill the devs rebuild the app.

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to an extent... BULLSHIT.. Microsoft has some rules.. but hp and dell and so forth and lie through their teeth... many of them WANT or made it a requirement for some of these rules.

There are some things windows 8 can in fact do better, and while metro can be irritating for some.. it's a godsend for other once you get used or fully understand and make use of the new gui design and optoin. Mind you of course there is some idiotic changes that have been made. Then again there was some changes made from 3.1 to 95 that weren't a step forward.. and frm 98 to me or 2000 to xp that were beneficial for some and backwards for others.

Frankly i've had ZERO issues with UEFI, dual or triple booting as well. But i don't use OEM components...

OEM Systems by dell/hp and so forth provide zero options and little to no support and will blame everyone but themselves for any issues a customer may have regardless of how much they may actually know that they caused the problems to begin with. A quality motherboard from lets say ASUS.. retail, no only gives you significantly more options, but people have been able to unlock functions that even asus doesn't provide.
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to an extent... BULLSHIT.. Microsoft has some rules.. but hp and dell and so forth and lie through their teeth... many of them WANT or made it a requirement for some of these rules.

There are some things windows 8 can in fact do better, and while metro can be irritating for some.. it's a godsend for other once you get used or fully understand and make use of the new gui design and optoin. Mind you of course there is some idiotic changes that have been made. Then again there was some changes made from 3.1 to 95 that weren't a step forward.. and frm 98 to me or 2000 to xp that were beneficial for some and backwards for others.

Frankly i've had ZERO issues with UEFI, dual or triple booting as well. But i don't use OEM components...

OEM Systems by dell/hp and so forth provide zero options and little to no support and will blame everyone but themselves for any issues a customer may have regardless of how much they may actually know that they caused the problems to begin with. A quality motherboard from lets say ASUS.. retail, no only gives you significantly more options, but people have been able to unlock functions that even asus doesn't provide.
About Rules. Microsoft is the one who mandated OEM's use UEFI and Secure Boot when they ship a new system with Windows 8. The OEM's did not do this on their own, they had to or they would not be able to offer a Windows 8 system. See for yourself by reading the Windows 8 Hardware Certification Requirememnts for Client and Server Systems.

The reality is the OEM's have never had to impliment these changes on demand like this before and they had to scramble to try to get the product out in time with as little trouble as possible. We would not have widespread UEFI now if Microsoft didn't demand it. EFI is over 20 years old. There are good reasons why the industry drug it's feet on using EFI all these years. The OEM's can and do all have different UEFI implementations and not all of them are up to par. The only OS's you can dual boot with Windows under UEFI and secure Boot is Fedora and Ubuntu and the variations of those distros and they don't always work right even with UEFI support and a Microsoft signed key. I have had tons of trouble with my HP with dual booting both with UEFI and Secure Boot and then again with UEFI and Secure Boot disabled - and so have lots of others who bought Windows 8 preinstalled. If you want to see how buggy UEFI can be just search YouTube for : EFI and Linux: the future is here, and it's awful - Matthew Garrett

What can Windows 8 do better than Windows 7?

I don't doubt the OEMs lie but I do believe that what these rep told me about them catering to Microsofts wishes because Microsoft gives them money to do so was the truth. This came out as I was grilling them on why they do not have UEFI options listed on the settings when the Windows 8 Hardware Certification Requirememnts for Client and Server Systems clearly said they had to allow for these options - this was the agreement Hp agreed to with Microsoft and they were breaking it. They said they were actually instructed by Microsoft not to give UEFI support or Microsoft would not subsidize the hardware anymore. The rep I spoke to was a case manager for the Hewlett Packard AMS TCO Escalations team. They are who you get sent to when the Tech Support Supervisors can't even help you.
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UEFI had been available for years... one of the selling points of Apple machines was their native EFI setup.

In the case that microsoft did make it a requirement... i don't see anything wrong with it... how it really their fault? They had YEARS to do it right.... in almost ALL cases.. OEMS are the ones responcible for all the fuck ups that occur.. they are responcible for Vista's horrible tainted reputation for one.... nothing wrong with that OS yet it's hard to even talk about it without someone spouting off on nonsense regarding it's terrible state when that is totally a load of bs.

OEMS will ALWAYS blame someone else.... When anyone gives them a swift kick in the ass by enforcing something that should have been implemented years ago.

Everything is "awful" to begin with. If someone thought it was so terrible.. MAYBE someone should have taken the time to create an alternative. But no, we are all sitting in the past with a totally overloaded and slaughtered horse... beating it repeatedly AKA BIOS ... with all it's limitations.

I'm not saying microsoft is an angel.... but OEMS i've NEVER once seen them do anything right. They do nothing but complain about it being "to hard" or not worth the investment.. then drag their feet.. blame everyone else.... suck up everyones cash with overpriced shit and then when someone puts the hammer down on a standard because they everyone else was to lazy to get off their asses and do something, they bitch and moan that it's the guy with the hammers fault for everything that is going to go wrong.
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