Hour and a Half to Install -- Pre RC1

Dyre Straits · Aug 30, 2006, 04:13 PM

Man, I couldn't believe it would take so long to install it on a separate hard drive as a fresh installation. But, it took an hour and a half before I finally got to see my first Vista Desktop on my system.

So far, though, it does seem to be impressive with some nice new features.

It's still kind of strange territory though and I'm still feeling my way around.

One thing I'm kind of concerned about: I can't seem to access certain folders on my other hard drives. Example: My Pictures folder on my C:\ drive. Vista is installed on my E:\ drive and only a few folders show up in the Documents and Settings sub-folders on C:\.

Cube623 · Aug 30, 2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

Man, I couldn't believe it would take so long to install it on a separate hard drive as a fresh installation. But, it took an hour and a half before I finally got to see my first Vista Desktop on my system.

So far, though, it does seem to be impressive with some nice new features.

It's still kind of strange territory though and I'm still feeling my way around.

One thing I'm kind of concerned about: I can't seem to access certain folders on my other hard drives. Example: My Pictures folder on my C:\ drive. Vista is installed on my E:\ drive and only a few folders show up in the Documents and Settings sub-folders on C:\.

hour and a half! took me about 1/3 of the time to install build 5536 (Pre-RC1) something isn't right

Zardon · Aug 30, 2006, 08:10 PM

the first release was terrible to install, but the latest build installs in about 20 minutes. might be an issue with your rig dyre.

Dyre Straits · Aug 30, 2006, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

the first release was terrible to install, but the latest build installs in about 20 minutes. might be an issue with your rig dyre.

I was expecting something closer to 30 minutes. Could not believe that it kept dragging out for so long.

Also, however it happened, the folders on C:\Documents and Settings\[User]\ are all showing up again. That's a relief!

EDIT: BTW, in my Device Manager, my X800 XL (using Beta 2 drivers from ATI) I'm showing only one instance of the card. Also, there's an Unknown Device listed.

What's the status of this and is there a solution?

Judas · Aug 30, 2006, 11:17 PM

wow.. i swear.. i just popped the dvd into my machine, booted from it, set the install partition and kablam.. i swear it only took 10 minutes

Cube623 · Aug 31, 2006, 12:37 AM

Judas your rig seems to love Vista then

took about 30 minutes for me but your rig could cream mine anyway

Dyre about your X800XL i have the same prob with my X800GT there is only 1 X800GT listed and i have an unknown video device but my secondary display works fine even at 1080i. Could be a glitch but remember the ATI drivers are BETA and they were designed for Beta 2 not for RC1 (not that they worked well for Beta 2 either)

Judas · Aug 31, 2006, 12:40 AM

so far this is the best vista release yet, they musta made this public because beta 2 seemed kinda gimped.

In any case, i've been showing it off to various people that walk into the shop, and now i can explain to them why it wouldn't be such a bad thing to hold off on perhaps buying a brand spanking new machine just yet.

Or getting a damn good decent one that'll be slick and easy to run vista on it.

Dyre Straits · Aug 31, 2006, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Cube623

Judas your rig seems to love Vista then

took about 30 minutes for me but your rig could cream mine anyway

Dyre about your X800XL i have the same prob with my X800GT there is only 1 X800GT listed and i have an unknown video device but my secondary display works fine even at 1080i. Could be a glitch but remember the ATI drivers are BETA and they were designed for Beta 2 not for RC1 (not that they worked well for Beta 2 either)

I figured it would likely be a driver issue. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me.

So far, though, I'm actually impressed with Vista. This is my first hands-on experience with it. It's unfamiliar in several ways, but easy to find your way around if you're already familiar with Windows.

CDsDontBurn · Aug 31, 2006, 02:43 AM

all you other guys have far superior systems compared to us. although, dyre, that did take quite a bit to install. on my rig public release 1 beta 2, took about 45min. to install.

is the public beta 2 pre-rc1 still up for download? i know it was like the first 100k d/ls that got it, and then the doors were closed.

Hapatingjaky · Aug 31, 2006, 04:24 AM

Vista > Your Face.

Took about 15 minutes to install, took me 24 hours to figure out how to connect to the internet, glad MS came up with a solution so quickly. Now just if creative would fire their driver support team and hire people who are more motivated.

CDsDontBurn · Aug 31, 2006, 06:33 AM

^^ i have a driver that works w/my OG audigy platinum just fine

. i dunno what you're talking about

Rasta Monsta · Aug 31, 2006, 06:59 AM

are you running only two speakers?

CDsDontBurn · Aug 31, 2006, 07:05 AM

Me?

if me, if you consider 2.1 two speakers, then ya.....simply because i don't have the room for 5.1

Cube623 · Aug 31, 2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

is the public beta 2 pre-rc1 still up for download? i know it was like the first 100k d/ls that got it, and then the doors were closed.

nope, that ended quite a while back (the doors were closed on a certain date not at a download limit). But according to some people Vista RC1 should be released on the 7th September and you get another chance to sign up and Microsoft are giving new keys out for people who sign up for RC1 (people who signed up to Beta 2 should get an e-mail with a new key).

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Originally Posted by Rasta Monsta

are you running only two speakers?

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

Me?

if me, if you consider 2.1 two speakers, then ya.....simply because i don't have the room for 5.1

even though i have a totally different sound device to you (Realtek AC'97) for some reason (had this problem in Beta 2 as well) some programs (e.g. Windows Media Player 11, Tiger Woods 2006) only run with 2 speakers but other programs (e.g. Microsoft Flight Simulator X Demo, MOH:PA, GTR 2 Demo, Flatout 2) work in 5.1 mode (i have 5.1 speakers) really weird but i guess (hopefully) it'll be fixed.

Zardon · Aug 31, 2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cube623

Judas your rig seems to love Vista then

hey its judas, you either divide or multiply his posts by three to get the real figure you should all know that by now

Rasta Monsta · Aug 31, 2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

if me, if you consider 2.1 two speakers, then ya

Well, that is why the beta drivers are "working fine" for you, as they have no (or limited) support for additional channels.

Judas · Aug 31, 2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

hey its judas, you either divide or multiply his posts by three to get the real figure you should all know that by now

.....

i swear 10 minutes

Rasta Monsta · Aug 31, 2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Judas

.....

i swear 10 minutes

Judas · Aug 31, 2006, 06:16 PM

k, i even made a note of this.

I saw this thread, downloed the pre-rc1, and burnt it to disk, i made a mental note of the time on the clock here (3:04pm) when i fired the dvd into the machine, and fired it up.

By 3:15pm, i was tweaking vista to my likeing.

I did the ultimate install which i'd venture a guess as being the most elaborate and bloated installation.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Aug 31, 2006, 07:07 PM

Judas is using HAX !

Its entirely possible... mine installed pretty fast, under 20 mins anyway (barely under but under all the same)

PangingJr · Aug 31, 2006, 07:51 PM

it takes me about 20 mins...
i use UltraISO in XP to decompress the Vista's ISO to a folder and run the Vista's setup program to decompress the image of Vista onto the hard drive. just choose the "Custom.... Install a clean copy..."

in below example, within XP x64 i created a new partition for the Vista (as seen as the 3rd primary partition in the pic. i spent 1-2 mins to create this partition), then restore a XP x86 (the partition image file was made when i first made the clean install of the OS, so the image file size is quite small. Acornis true image only takes 2 mins or less to restore the OS to this newly created partition. the boot.ini file of this OS image has already been edited for BIOS to direct booting the OS from the 3rd primary partition), then reset the new OS and partition to boot from on the next system boots, this only take a second when using PQBoot for Windows. and then restart/reboot the system in to the OS and run the Vista setup program and load RAID's drivers within the Windows.... and it was done in about 15 mins or so.

Dyre Straits · Aug 31, 2006, 09:15 PM

I chose the Ultimate install, too. But, I don't think that had anything to do with how long it took to install.

I'm used to XP installing in around 35 minutes or less.

Rasta Monsta · Aug 31, 2006, 09:29 PM

I actually got a laugh last time I did XP Pro. . .that little countdown timer always starts at 39, but it actually took 8 and change! Those numbers where flyin by!

H3X4D3C1M4L · Aug 31, 2006, 09:31 PM

A stock XP takes less than 7 minutes for me if I don't include the BIOS and RAID initializing.

An nLited XP with most of the crap stripped out and options preconfiged as much as possible I can get done in 4 mins timing the same way

PangingJr · Aug 31, 2006, 09:49 PM

during this beta test on the Vista if you have to spend a very long time when installing it from the DVD, then next time you might want to try running the Vista setup from the existing installed Windows and see if this can save your time.
just choose the option "Custom (advanced) Install a clean copy of Windows....", not the Upgrade options.

Cube623 · Aug 31, 2006, 10:27 PM

Judas how did you install Vista? Whilst running XP or booting from the DVD?

Judas · Aug 31, 2006, 10:42 PM

Turned on the computer, slapped the disk in the dvd drive, booted from it and installed it..

I never installed from inside windows xp at all.

Can't you boot from it?

PangingJr · Aug 31, 2006, 10:51 PM

Judas has a very fast system. if i install it from within a smaller footprint of the XP and the Vista's source installation files are resided in a different RAID array or on a different hard drive than the one where the OS is to be installed, then i probably have it done in very close to 10 mins.

Judas · Aug 31, 2006, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PangingJr

Judas has a very fast system. if i install it from within a smaller footprint of the XP and the Vista's source installation files are resided in a different RAID array or on a different hard drive than the one where the OS is to be installed, then i probably have it done in very close to 10 mins.

when the source files are unpacked, they are usually unpacked to a primary partition/drive correct?

PangingJr · Aug 31, 2006, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Judas

when the source files are unpacked, they are usually unpacked to a primary partition/drive correct?

not sure what you mean, but i unpacked the vista's ISO to a folder on D partition (logical drive. see the 2nd pic of my post above) of the same RAID array, and run the setup there from within XP of the 3rd primary partition.

Aug 31, 2006, 12:37 AM	#6
Cube623 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: England Posts: 322 Rep Power: 0	Judas your rig seems to love Vista then took about 30 minutes for me but your rig could cream mine anyway Dyre about your X800XL i have the same prob with my X800GT there is only 1 X800GT listed and i have an unknown video device but my secondary display works fine even at 1080i. Could be a glitch but remember the ATI drivers are BETA and they were designed for Beta 2 not for RC1 (not that they worked well for Beta 2 either) __________________

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CDsDontBurn 127.0.0.1 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,458 Rep Power: 202 System Specs	all you other guys have far superior systems compared to us. although, dyre, that did take quite a bit to install. on my rig public release 1 beta 2, took about 45min. to install. is the public beta 2 pre-rc1 still up for download? i know it was like the first 100k d/ls that got it, and then the doors were closed. __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

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Aug 31, 2006, 06:33 AM	#11
CDsDontBurn 127.0.0.1 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,458 Rep Power: 202 System Specs	^^ i have a driver that works w/my OG audigy platinum just fine . i dunno what you're talking about __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Aug 31, 2006, 07:05 AM	#13
CDsDontBurn 127.0.0.1 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,458 Rep Power: 202 System Specs	Me? if me, if you consider 2.1 two speakers, then ya.....simply because i don't have the room for 5.1 __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Aug 30, 2006, 08:10 PM	#3
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 177	the first release was terrible to install, but the latest build installs in about 20 minutes. might be an issue with your rig dyre.

Aug 31, 2006, 07:07 PM	#20
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Judas is using HAX ! Its entirely possible... mine installed pretty fast, under 20 mins anyway (barely under but under all the same)

Aug 31, 2006, 07:51 PM	#21
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	it takes me about 20 mins... i use UltraISO in XP to decompress the Vista's ISO to a folder and run the Vista's setup program to decompress the image of Vista onto the hard drive. just choose the "Custom.... Install a clean copy..." in below example, within XP x64 i created a new partition for the Vista (as seen as the 3rd primary partition in the pic. i spent 1-2 mins to create this partition), then restore a XP x86 (the partition image file was made when i first made the clean install of the OS, so the image file size is quite small. Acornis true image only takes 2 mins or less to restore the OS to this newly created partition. the boot.ini file of this OS image has already been edited for BIOS to direct booting the OS from the 3rd primary partition), then reset the new OS and partition to boot from on the next system boots, this only take a second when using PQBoot for Windows. and then restart/reboot the system in to the OS and run the Vista setup program and load RAID's drivers within the Windows.... and it was done in about 15 mins or so.

Aug 31, 2006, 09:31 PM	#24
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	A stock XP takes less than 7 minutes for me if I don't include the BIOS and RAID initializing. An nLited XP with most of the crap stripped out and options preconfiged as much as possible I can get done in 4 mins timing the same way

Aug 31, 2006, 09:49 PM	#25
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	during this beta test on the Vista if you have to spend a very long time when installing it from the DVD, then next time you might want to try running the Vista setup from the existing installed Windows and see if this can save your time. just choose the option "Custom (advanced) Install a clean copy of Windows....", not the Upgrade options.

Aug 31, 2006, 10:27 PM	#26
Cube623 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: England Posts: 322 Rep Power: 0	Judas how did you install Vista? Whilst running XP or booting from the DVD? __________________

Aug 31, 2006, 10:51 PM	#28
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	Judas has a very fast system. if i install it from within a smaller footprint of the XP and the Vista's source installation files are resided in a different RAID array or on a different hard drive than the one where the OS is to be installed, then i probably have it done in very close to 10 mins.