Windows Vista: Release Candidate - your views

Zardon · Nov 12, 2006, 01:31 AM

This release just leaked on the net, but is due to be released on MSDN shortly and offically.

Share your views of this operating system - (has it improved much since RC2? are you happy with it? big improvement over XP?) ........ with our members and remember if you have tricks or tips for the operating system, make sure to join in the other sticky thread in this forum section.

ronnn · Nov 12, 2006, 02:18 AM

So where do I find it?

Dyre Straits · Nov 12, 2006, 09:10 PM

I'm currently using the VISTA Ultimate Final. I just got it installed late last night and need to give it a good work out before giving any assessment.

One thing, however, there still is no support for my UMAX 4000U flatbed scanner. Other than that, it seems everything else is working. BUT, I haven't installed the lastest ATI drivers yet. I'm using the MS drivers at the moment.

EDIT: Update -- I have installed the latest ATI drivers now. Will have to do some testing after work.

ronnn · Nov 12, 2006, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

I'm currently using the VISTA Ultimate Final.

Thanks

ET3D · Nov 12, 2006, 11:22 PM

Will try it when it's released on MSDN and I get a replacement for my broken second hard disk (this weekend, if I'm lucky).

Dyre Straits · Nov 13, 2006, 08:08 AM

They are going to have to do something about bringing the computer out of standby mode.

Neither the keyboard nor mouse buttons would do it. I was away at work and the computer went into standby mode. In order to get it back up and running I had to press the Reset button on the front of the case and reboot. Not good!

Zardon · Nov 13, 2006, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

They are going to have to do something about bringing the computer out of standby mode.

Neither the keyboard nor mouse buttons would do it. I was away at work and the computer went into standby mode. In order to get it back up and running I had to press the Reset button on the front of the case and reboot. Not good!

Really? it works ok for me. they also fixed some DVI out issues to HDRV I was having as well as a few other minor things.

Thankfully im using an ATI set well in advance of the offical public release, they sucked. these new ones are great.

Dyre Straits · Nov 13, 2006, 11:37 AM

I'm going to have to reinstall the whole shebang again. I decided to delete a few of the previous windows.old files created from a couple of installations previously and, for whatever reason now, my profile is missing.

Did they REALLY use some kind of dependency on something from the OLD backups for profiles?

AND, I only deleted the ones from a couple months ago...not the last installation.

At this point, I can't get into VISTA because of the missing profile. ???

ViRuS2k · Nov 13, 2006, 12:02 PM

Zardon mate your going to have to speak to a ati rep and get them to release official vista RTM drivers

as currently there is no openGL support and for some weird reason counter strike source isnt working for me im getting runtime error when the map is half loaded

only asking you becuse you have quick access to high up ati reps.

Zardon · Nov 13, 2006, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViRuS2k

Zardon mate your going to have to speak to a ati rep and get them to release official vista RTM drivers

as currently there is no openGL support and for some weird reason counter strike source isnt working for me im getting runtime error when the map is half loaded

only asking you becuse you have quick access to high up ati reps.

Well they are beta, im sure when ATI feel they are ready for the public they will release them. I wish they would too, but I am not in a position to tell ATI what to do mate, I just try and advise them, when I can. I agree with you though, I think the RC drivers are appalling. The drivers I have do have opengl.... so its looking good for you guys.

ViRuS2k · Nov 13, 2006, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zardon

Well they are beta, im sure when ATI feel they are ready for the public they will release them. I wish they would too, but I am not in a position to tell ATI what to do mate, I just try and advise them, when I can. I agree with you though, I think the RC drivers are appalling. The drivers I have do have opengl.... so its looking good for you guys.

ok k.... btw you dont have any idea why im getting a runtime error with counterstrike source do ya or have you heard anything about steam problems with the RTM vista ultimate ?

i hear a error bleep when im 3 quarters though loading a source map....
i alt+tab out to a view a c+++ runtime error

dont understand becuse source did work with the beta vista builds...

dipstick · Nov 13, 2006, 04:57 PM

I really like the new OS. Its good looking, fast, and rock solid for the basic stuff I have attempted on it. However, it still needs some work in the driver department. The funny thing is that I was expecting problems with my scanner, printer, and usb devices but instead I got hit with audio/video issues(out of all things!) Once nvidia and creative get the act together I'll be able to get a better feel for it but for now I'm at least left with a satisfied feeling that it's a good OS with tons of potential.

Monkeyboy · Nov 13, 2006, 10:09 PM

I'm enjoying the new rtm build enormously. I've gone with the x64 version and as I haven't got anything particularly exotic in terms of hardware. I'm not troubled too much by lack of drivers (although I wish Hauppauge would get their act together on this front!)

Other than that, the XP x64 drivers seem to work fine if I'm stuck for a Vista x64 driver, and F8 during boot to turn off enforced driver signing helps when using early release drivers.

I notice that the pagefile bug from previous builds (which doesn't allocate enough hard drive space when set to 'system-managed') has made it through to the rtm build. It's no biggie, though, and I'm sure it will be fixed by a Windows Update.

Other than the minor niggle with drivers, I find the system rock solid, stable and very responsive.

Dyre Straits · Nov 14, 2006, 11:49 AM

I just completed reinstalling Vista and getting the updates as well as installing the latest ATI drivers.

Maybe I'll get a chance to play some games this time around.

OmegaRED · Nov 15, 2006, 01:23 AM

I installed Vista RTM Ultimate and everything went smooth though I can't connect to the internet no matter what I try. Also, when exiting BF2 it causes screen corruption and requires a manual reboot. Aside from that I was impressed with how smooth the OS was.

Atlas · Nov 21, 2006, 07:55 AM

Did a clean install of RTM last night - wiped XP from the drive. Thirty minutes after inserting the DVD, i was sitting at the Vista desktop. Impressive stuff!

My biggest issues seemed to be caused by installing old versions of software, such as Alcohol. I installed it, then it cautioned me about the driver that was being installed. I went ahead and clicked yes anyway, and then wham blue screen. Subsequent reboots resulted in the same blue screen as it re-attempted to install the driver, even in safe mode!

I resorted to re-inserting the Vista DVD and using System Restore to undo the Alcohol installation. Worked a charm.

Thus my tip: leave System Restore turned on, at least for now! Don't try to be a stingy performance hero by turning it off.

Other apps that I successfully installed include MagicISO, Office 2007, Live Messenger, TweakVI, Nero 7, Nod32 2.7, Steam.

I'm yet to try loading CS and the ATI drivers.

Dyre Straits · Nov 22, 2006, 02:04 AM

One thing about Vista I have found so far to be very annoying! If you do attempt to install a driver that Vista doesn't like, it seems you CANNOT uninstall the sucker! I've tried several times to install the UMAX flatbed scanner drivers and get a Windows Protection warning. It will NOT let me even attempt to complete the installation. BUT, if I try to uninstall them, they won't uninstall, either. Then, on the next reboot, I get the prompt for Unknown Device drivers. Even there, trying to turn off that prompt fails. It just keeps coming back like the Energizer Bunny!

Nforce2XP · Dec 17, 2006, 08:46 AM

Well my tought

firts off , i am very impressed by the speed of the RTM, i installed RC1 and tell there is a difference from dark to light....
Also i gamed a bit on ut2004 and was very stable, used the updated catalyst beta driver and worked like champ, no problems at all...
my board is a asrock dualsataII and the ethernet driver was installed with windows.. the IQ its impresive and i disabled UAC firts thing i did.
I gave to my USER full access and permission, and that help me out where i need to access and edit or move files in all my hardrive....
Performance , its more resposive that XP sp2 going to sites and playing music , all its fast , startup too everything that i do on my XP this vista do it without a single problem, i really like the OS, and i was a litle skeptical about how good would it work on RTM and i was thinking to wait untill SP1 or 2 but as how it is now, it's perfect , if some program dont work , well that is becouse is a new OS and software designer need to update or patch its programs to make them fully compatable with VISTA, that is not Microsoft business, they have done a really nice OS, I really recommend the OS

OmegaRED · Dec 17, 2006, 09:09 AM

I have the same motherboard as you and used the included drivers for ethernet but I could not get any internet access even with different drivers. How did you get it to work?

I even tried a spare NIC card and it didn't work either...made me really sour

Nforce2XP · Dec 17, 2006, 09:24 PM

well it installed my network card driver, but sometimes its says no connection or limited conection what i do its repair the conncection and get a new ip address and that s it..
its kind of anoying but i knew the ethernet controller its crappy on this board, and i intalled a dlink DFE530+ TX and its working great, hope you get solved the porblem

Monkeyboy · Feb 4, 2007, 09:52 PM

Yes, I upgraded a friend's machine with Vista x64 last week - he has the same motherboard as you and the onboard ethernet is unreliable to say the least. We purchased a cheap NIC instead and it worked like a charm, although we had to use the XP x64 edition driver as there wasn't a Vista version available.

Gardinen · Feb 17, 2007, 07:38 PM

I don't like the fact that Windows take up half my system memory when having 1GB of RAM.

Zelig · Feb 17, 2007, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gardinen

I don't like the fact that Windows take up half my system memory when having 1GB of RAM.

Why do you have so much ram if you don't want it to be used?

Coding Horror: Why Does Vista Use All My Memory?

Check out that for a decent explanation of why/how Vista uses your ram. You should be able to dig up some more stuff via Google as well, if you're interested.

Gardinen · Feb 18, 2007, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zelig

Why do you have so much ram if you don't want it to be used?

Hmm seems that Vista uses the memory a bit more wisely than XP. But I don't want to have a bunch of small applications running in the background that I won't even use anyway.

Nov 12, 2006, 01:31 AM	#1
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 177	Windows Vista: Release Candidate - your views This release just leaked on the net, but is due to be released on MSDN shortly and offically. Share your views of this operating system - (has it improved much since RC2? are you happy with it? big improvement over XP?) ........ with our members and remember if you have tricks or tips for the operating system, make sure to join in the other sticky thread in this forum section.

Nov 15, 2006, 01:23 AM	#15
OmegaRED Relapsed Gamer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 5,626 Rep Power: 171 System Specs	I installed Vista RTM Ultimate and everything went smooth though I can't connect to the internet no matter what I try. Also, when exiting BF2 it causes screen corruption and requires a manual reboot. Aside from that I was impressed with how smooth the OS was. __________________ E Penis Specs: <------------- See System Specs

Dec 17, 2006, 08:46 AM	#18
Nforce2XP DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los angeles Posts: 201 Rep Power: 0	Well my tought firts off , i am very impressed by the speed of the RTM, i installed RC1 and tell there is a difference from dark to light.... Also i gamed a bit on ut2004 and was very stable, used the updated catalyst beta driver and worked like champ, no problems at all... my board is a asrock dualsataII and the ethernet driver was installed with windows.. the IQ its impresive and i disabled UAC firts thing i did. I gave to my USER full access and permission, and that help me out where i need to access and edit or move files in all my hardrive.... Performance , its more resposive that XP sp2 going to sites and playing music , all its fast , startup too everything that i do on my XP this vista do it without a single problem, i really like the OS, and i was a litle skeptical about how good would it work on RTM and i was thinking to wait untill SP1 or 2 but as how it is now, it's perfect , if some program dont work , well that is becouse is a new OS and software designer need to update or patch its programs to make them fully compatable with VISTA, that is not Microsoft business, they have done a really nice OS, I really recommend the OS __________________ RES.T.A.R.S

Dec 17, 2006, 09:09 AM	#19
OmegaRED Relapsed Gamer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 5,626 Rep Power: 171 System Specs	I have the same motherboard as you and used the included drivers for ethernet but I could not get any internet access even with different drivers. How did you get it to work? I even tried a spare NIC card and it didn't work either...made me really sour __________________ E Penis Specs: <------------- See System Specs

Dec 17, 2006, 09:24 PM	#20
Nforce2XP DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los angeles Posts: 201 Rep Power: 0	well it installed my network card driver, but sometimes its says no connection or limited conection what i do its repair the conncection and get a new ip address and that s it.. its kind of anoying but i knew the ethernet controller its crappy on this board, and i intalled a dlink DFE530+ TX and its working great, hope you get solved the porblem __________________ RES.T.A.R.S

Nov 12, 2006, 02:18 AM	#2
ronnn DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 617 Rep Power: 0	So where do I find it?

Nov 12, 2006, 11:22 PM	#5
ET3D Hopeless Dreamer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dreamland, near the pool of infinite graphics cards Posts: 3,055 Rep Power: 103 System Specs	Will try it when it's released on MSDN and I get a replacement for my broken second hard disk (this weekend, if I'm lucky).

Nov 13, 2006, 12:02 PM	#9
ViRuS2k HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Uk Posts: 8,334 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	Zardon mate your going to have to speak to a ati rep and get them to release official vista RTM drivers as currently there is no openGL support and for some weird reason counter strike source isnt working for me im getting runtime error when the map is half loaded only asking you becuse you have quick access to high up ati reps.

Nov 13, 2006, 04:57 PM	#12
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 70 System Specs	I really like the new OS. Its good looking, fast, and rock solid for the basic stuff I have attempted on it. However, it still needs some work in the driver department. The funny thing is that I was expecting problems with my scanner, printer, and usb devices but instead I got hit with audio/video issues(out of all things!) Once nvidia and creative get the act together I'll be able to get a better feel for it but for now I'm at least left with a satisfied feeling that it's a good OS with tons of potential.

Nov 13, 2006, 10:09 PM	#13
Monkeyboy DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vista: the woe starts now! Posts: 113 Rep Power: 0	I'm enjoying the new rtm build enormously. I've gone with the x64 version and as I haven't got anything particularly exotic in terms of hardware. I'm not troubled too much by lack of drivers (although I wish Hauppauge would get their act together on this front!) Other than that, the XP x64 drivers seem to work fine if I'm stuck for a Vista x64 driver, and F8 during boot to turn off enforced driver signing helps when using early release drivers. I notice that the pagefile bug from previous builds (which doesn't allocate enough hard drive space when set to 'system-managed') has made it through to the rtm build. It's no biggie, though, and I'm sure it will be fixed by a Windows Update. Other than the minor niggle with drivers, I find the system rock solid, stable and very responsive.

Nov 21, 2006, 07:55 AM	#16
Atlas DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Did a clean install of RTM last night - wiped XP from the drive. Thirty minutes after inserting the DVD, i was sitting at the Vista desktop. Impressive stuff! My biggest issues seemed to be caused by installing old versions of software, such as Alcohol. I installed it, then it cautioned me about the driver that was being installed. I went ahead and clicked yes anyway, and then wham blue screen. Subsequent reboots resulted in the same blue screen as it re-attempted to install the driver, even in safe mode! I resorted to re-inserting the Vista DVD and using System Restore to undo the Alcohol installation. Worked a charm. Thus my tip: leave System Restore turned on, at least for now! Don't try to be a stingy performance hero by turning it off. Other apps that I successfully installed include MagicISO, Office 2007, Live Messenger, TweakVI, Nero 7, Nod32 2.7, Steam. I'm yet to try loading CS and the ATI drivers.

Feb 4, 2007, 09:52 PM	#21
Monkeyboy DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vista: the woe starts now! Posts: 113 Rep Power: 0	Yes, I upgraded a friend's machine with Vista x64 last week - he has the same motherboard as you and the onboard ethernet is unreliable to say the least. We purchased a cheap NIC instead and it worked like a charm, although we had to use the XP x64 edition driver as there wasn't a Vista version available.

Feb 17, 2007, 07:38 PM	#22
Gardinen DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Trollhättan, Sweden Posts: 512 Rep Power: 0	I don't like the fact that Windows take up half my system memory when having 1GB of RAM.