[BobDoleX]

Code 43 anyone? Seems like it's still going around. Honestly ATI, what's the excuse now? You tell people that you support their video cards for Vista, but oops, the only drivers you provide will completely disable all video card support and acceleration? No Aero? No gaming? Fantastic. I hope they're working on a fix. Anyone know?

For those who aren't familiar with it: "Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43)." Device manager yellow (!) next to Radeon. Generally a problem with 9600/9700 cards, of desktop and notebook varieties. NOT an AGP driver issue. This is a display driver issue and something ATI needs to address.

[technonerd]

I blame AMD.....oh wait...ur...dammit.

[Judas]

hmm, i've now installed Windows Vista and ATI 7.1 Drivers on 6 machines, None of them in the 9xxx series mind you, but everything from the onboard x200 right up to the x19xx series. So far, i've yet to have a single botched install of them. IMO, opengl performance is acceptible (but slower then xp), it works good. And Most Direct3D apps fly like crazy. Even my crossfire setup is working better under Vista then it is under XP.

If i can get my hands on a AGP setup with a 9xxx series video card, i'd be willing to fire it up and see how the drivers work. But imo, your getting into a bit of low end territory with that kind of a card. Frustrating? yes, but unfortuneatly theres nothing but upgrading that can be done.

[BobDoleX]

Originally Posted by Judas

hmm, i've now installed Windows Vista and ATI 7.1 Drivers on 6 machines, None of them in the 9xxx series mind you, but everything from the onboard x200 right up to the x19xx series. So far, i've yet to have a single botched install of them. IMO, opengl performance is acceptible (but slower then xp), it works good. And Most Direct3D apps fly like crazy. Even my crossfire setup is working better under Vista then it is under XP.

If i can get my hands on a AGP setup with a 9xxx series video card, i'd be willing to fire it up and see how the drivers work. But imo, your getting into a bit of low end territory with that kind of a card. Frustrating? yes, but unfortuneatly theres nothing but upgrading that can be done.

Thanks. Upgrading isn't an option to notebook users. They spend ~$150 for Vista, after all the stupid software tells them that they're "Premium Ready," and get shafted due to ATI's shoddy 9xxx support. If ATI planned on putting in no effort of the lower-end cards, why support them in Vista? It's unfair to the customers and unethical.

[Judas]

Can you get me a link to the notebook your using.

I would be complaining to the manufacturer as ATI doesn't have complete say of how thier chips are intergrated into the notebooks being made, let alone how the drivers work with it.

And i've never seen a notebook with a 9xxx series mobility state that it's Vista Premium Ready. I'm curious about that.

CONTACT the manufacturer of your notebook and raise hell there.

[BobDoleX]

Originally Posted by Judas

Can you get me a link to the notebook your using.

I would be complaining to the manufacturer as ATI doesn't have complete say of how thier chips are intergrated into the notebooks being made, let alone how the drivers work with it.

And i've never seen a notebook with a 9xxx series mobility state that it's Vista Premium Ready. I'm curious about that.

CONTACT the manufacturer of your notebook and raise hell there.

Best I can do for now:
P4 3.2 GHz w/ HT
1.5 GB PC 2700 RAM
Mobility Radeon 9600 w/ 128 MB dedicated
ATI 9100 IGP Mobo Chipset
60 GB 7200 RPM HDD

Hopefully you can think of something. Oh, and the manufacturer doesn't care. They've been trying to sell me a new system since this one came in the mail a few years ago (HP). At least they'll never get another dime from me.

[Judas]

Is there a stick on the notebook stating it was Vista Premium ready? Cause if not, then it was never designed for vista and hp should have actually recommended you not install it (possibly)... HP SHOULD be fixing up a driver (could take months if not ever) for vista with that mobility radeon set...

I hate hp notebooks...

ATM, i'm sticking with Acer, they do the less screwing around with windows itself. Toshiba is good, but has a habit of interchanging and disabling all the native windows features for thier own POS stuff that has a habit of falling apart or nothing working properly/easily.

Sorry to say, but i've absalutely no clue where to go from there with your situation, i know it's not ATI's fault either.

[BobDoleX]

Originally Posted by Judas

Is there a stick on the notebook stating it was Vista Premium ready? Cause if not, then it was never designed for vista and hp should have actually recommended you not install it (possibly)... HP SHOULD be fixing up a driver (could take months if not ever) for vista with that mobility radeon set...

I hate hp notebooks...

ATM, i'm sticking with Acer, they do the less screwing around with windows itself. Toshiba is good, but has a habit of interchanging and disabling all the native windows features for thier own POS stuff that has a habit of falling apart or nothing working properly/easily.

Sorry to say, but i've absalutely no clue where to go from there with your situation, i know it's not ATI's fault either.

Well, if you do some searching for Code 43, Vista, and ATI, it's a widespread issue, and it's not limited to notebook users. As much as I'd like to blame HP, ATI has a role in this as well.

[Judas]

let me take a gander around... if i find anything that i think i could assist with.. i'll post back...

[Louie6666]

ati haven't dropped support for 9500 - 9700's within vista etc.. maybe your only hope would be a third party mod coming along for intergrated gpu's, but anyone intrested in creating a set will be waiting for a nice stable set to build from, probably not the beta's ! suspect your by no means alone but somtimes it sucks when your an early adopter.. maybe HP too are reluctant to build from beta drivers!

[Judas]

this is kinda odd.


it looks like the issues seem to be more or less related to the following (but not directly related to each other):

Nvidia Nforce 3 Motherboards
Intel Dual core


I'm still browsing through several forums and whatnot.

Theres even a suggestion that some wireless adapters are causing issues. And even an instance of someone stating that looking at the irq lists, that it looks like there are conflicts.

odd, maybe a bios update would help, but that's kinda moot if you already have the latest... in which case waiting is the only options, and generally prebuilt machine don't really have a life support span very long.

[Judas]

Originally Posted by Louie6666

ati haven't dropped support for 9500 - 9700's within vista etc.. maybe your only hope would be a third party mod coming along for intergrated gpu's, but anyone intrested in creating a set will be waiting for a nice stable set to build from, probably not the beta's ! suspect your by no means alone but somtimes it sucks when your an early adopter.. maybe HP too are reluctant to build from beta drivers!

i wouldn't call the final 7.1 catalyst drivers betas..... they are as stable as final, hell i would say they are overall just as reliable as XP's 7.1s..... just with a few glitches with various 3D apps.

[The_Neon_Cowboy]

Vista is new there's going to be problems GUARANTEED!
Game makers and hardware makers need to fix thier stuff...
as well as ms will have plenty of bugs to work out

many games require compatabilty modes to run ok on vista...
the big list:

http://www.iexbeta.com/wiki/index.ph...atibility_List

Hopefully you can think of something. Oh, and the manufacturer doesn't care. They've been trying to sell me a new system since this one came in the mail a few years ago (HP). At least they'll never get another dime from me.

thats the MFG's fault and ati can't do squat. Due to legal agreements as memory serves

It's the laptop MFG thats solely responsible for providing you with updated drivers. They don't care, they have your money, no thing you can do about it.... they often don't update your drivers, ever!

All you can do is look for modded sets or hope your PC is coved in the mobility drivers
on ati's site which is a effort on ati's part to work with mfg to allow them (ati) to provide
updated drivers (since they (laptop mfg) can't be bothered to do anything but count your money).

[Judas]

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

thats the MFG's fault and ati can't do squat.

It's the laptop MFG thats solely responceable for provideing you with updated drivers. They don't care, they have your money, nohing you can do about it.... they often don't update your drivers, ever!

All you can do is look for modded sets or hope your pc is coverd in the mobility drivers
on ati's site wich is a effort on ati's part to work with mfg to allow them (ati) to provide
updated drivers (since they (laptop mfg) can't be botherd to do anything but count your money).

reason i hate prebuilts...

[BobDoleX]

Well, thanks for the help so far everyone. If anyone comes across anything useful, link me, and I'll be most appreciative. Any modded drivers in the works? That would be excellent. Thanks again!

[clicker666]

I noted above you got this notebook a few years ago. If I did read that correctly, I would imagine it's entirely possible your graphics aren't supported. As you indicated, the manufacturer isn't interested in keeping your notebook running under Vista - they want to sell you something new and shiny. I would imagine you are stuck running XP until you decide to move on. That's not too unusual for notebooks - I've got special purpose notebooks that are dinosaurs in our company running vehicle maintenance software on Windows 98SE, just the way it is.

[nicnik]

off topic, but these 7.1 drivers for vista is giving me very bad performance.
If you try and goto device manager and rollback the ATI drivers (back to WDDM), you still keep the ati poller service (which triggers overdrive for my card), but I gain so much more performance using the microsoft WDDM drivers than the 7.1 catalysts. In fact, doing a few benches and my upper threshold for some games gain as much as 20 fps with no visual differences.

[Judas]

nicik, that is beyond strange...

because with the WDDM drivers, majority of the game or 3d apps i try to run result in utterly terrible performance.

Try redownloading the drivers again.

[nicnik]

The WDDM Drivers I use arent the vista default ones, but the updated microsoft ones when u run update.
The thing is, those drivers dont have the poller service, so my guess is ATI Overdrive isn't working for the WDDMs, so what I did was install the 7.1s, then just restore the drivers to the microsoft ones. Believe it or not, repeated it a few times (after installing vista again for raid-0), and I still get 10-20+ fps to my "max" fps with the WDDMs compared to ATI's 7.1s. Weird, but true.

Maybe something's turned off with the microsoft drivers, but so far I dont personally see any difference visually, nor do I see any improvement in performance from the ATI 7.1s in all the games i play either. So until I install a game that the microsoft WDDM drivers just dont work, I'm sticking with them :P

But a nice thing is, the CCC in 7.1 loads allot faster than the usual CCC we are used to.

[Uncle]

Originally Posted by BobDoleX

Code 43 anyone? Seems like it's still going around. Honestly ATI, what's the excuse now? You tell people that you support their video cards for Vista, but oops, the only drivers you provide will completely disable all video card support and acceleration? No Aero? No gaming? Fantastic. I hope they're working on a fix. Anyone know?

For those who aren't familiar with it: "Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43)." Device manager yellow (!) next to Radeon. Generally a problem with 9600/9700 cards, of desktop and notebook varieties. NOT an AGP driver issue. This is a display driver issue and something ATI needs to address.

WaWaWa. Works fine for me, even smoother in Battlefield2 compared to the beta.

[BobDoleX]

Originally Posted by Uncle

WaWaWa. Works fine for me, even smoother in Battlefield2 compared to the beta.

Troll much? The problem is common. Search the official Vista forums or simply use Google. People have run tests and the two groups who are apparently responsible (chipset makers and ATI) will not take responsibility. Grow up, really. Just because you don't have a problem, it doesn't mean that it isn't a serious issue that needs to be addressed.

[DudeBoyz]

Both Nvidia and ATI are having driver issues. Microsoft borked the OpenGL, so I can expect they both will have issues there, but I would have expected them both to handle DirectX fine.

Perhaps stepping back to XP would allow you to be productive and functional until things get settled down?

[BobDoleX]

Originally Posted by DudeBoyz

Both Nvidia and ATI are having driver issues. Microsoft borked the OpenGL, so I can expect they both will have issues there, but I would have expected them both to handle DirectX fine.

Perhaps stepping back to XP would allow you to be productive and functional until things get settled down?

That's the plan sir. My honest hope is that they fix things in the near future. It'd be a shame to be Vista-crippled for several more months, or forever.

[DudeBoyz]

Originally Posted by BobDoleX

That's the plan sir. My honest hope is that they fix things in the near future. It'd be a shame to be Vista-crippled for several more months, or forever.

Hang in there.

I'm still freaked at how they treated OpenGL - I'm surprised they can get away with that. I wonder if the OpenGL supporters are going to be able to salvage the spec in Vista or if it is going to die a slow, forced death in favor of DirectX 10.

Oh well. At least XP is still functional, so that is something.

Best of luck.

[BobDoleX]

What boggles my mind is the fact that my video card and chipset are both made by ATI, but ATI is telling me that I need to contact the maker of my AGP chipset to resolve the issue. THEY are the ones who made it. What the hell?

[DudeBoyz]

Originally Posted by BobDoleX

What boggles my mind is the fact that my video card and chipset are both made by ATI, but ATI is telling me that I need to contact the maker of my AGP chipset to resolve the issue. THEY are the ones who made it. What the hell?

Well that's just wacky! Maybe you can call back and try getting a different tech who is actually aware of what product lines they produce and should support.

Oh man.

Hang in there, and good luck. Hope it all gets resolved soon.

[BobDoleX]

Well here's what my research is showing:

Messing around with AGP fast write settings and AGP aperture sizes could resolve the issue. The problem? My BIOS is HP-made, and I can't configure these settings because they prefer to limit my options (bastards). Are there any ways around that?

[DudeBoyz]

Is there some "Press F1" or "DEL" whatever when booting?

What happens if you hit the ESC key when that HP screen comes up?

[jasonbourne]

Originally Posted by nicnik

The WDDM Drivers I use arent the vista default ones, but the updated microsoft ones when u run update.
The thing is, those drivers dont have the poller service, so my guess is ATI Overdrive isn't working for the WDDMs, so what I did was install the 7.1s, then just restore the drivers to the microsoft ones. Believe it or not, repeated it a few times (after installing vista again for raid-0), and I still get 10-20+ fps to my "max" fps with the WDDMs compared to ATI's 7.1s. Weird, but true.

Maybe something's turned off with the microsoft drivers, but so far I dont personally see any difference visually, nor do I see any improvement in performance from the ATI 7.1s in all the games i play either. So until I install a game that the microsoft WDDM drivers just dont work, I'm sticking with them :P

But a nice thing is, the CCC in 7.1 loads allot faster than the usual CCC we are used to.

i wonder if microsoft is going too keep updating drivers for my radeonx1900xt if yes i wont bother with catalayst drivers anymore

[BobDoleX]

Originally Posted by DudeBoyz

Is there some "Press F1" or "DEL" whatever when booting?

What happens if you hit the ESC key when that HP screen comes up?

I think you misunderstood my post. I can access by BIOS, but HP locks most of the settings. I can only adjust a few things, such as boot order and date.