[Sandok]

hahaha well honestly, if you know anyone who works for a big company (my dad works for a big huge one for example ), then ask for the bulk vista's and pay em.

My dad's company actually has a whole intranet site to buy legal office's and all. I got professional office 2003 for 20$

[HawgsHead]

The bottom line is this....sooner or later we are all gonna have to bite the bullet and buy Vista.It's gonna be like XP.It's gonna take a little....or alot of time before it's a good OS...not to say it's not good now.I dont know,I dont have it yet.

[jasonbourne]

im also happy with vista , gaming is good specially now that creative released a new set of drivers today .

[DudeBoyz]

Originally Posted by HawgsHead

The bottom line is this....sooner or later we are all gonna have to bite the bullet and buy Vista.It's gonna be like XP.It's gonna take a little....or alot of time before it's a good OS...not to say it's not good now.I dont know,I dont have it yet.

No denying what you've said there. We will be forced to eventually. But just like with XP, I think waiting is the best way to go. If what you have now works fine, stick with it and don't buy into the hype. Let Vista SP1 or even SP2 come out and see if it is able to become more stable, more secure and less of a hassle. Being on the "bleeding edge" can be pretty darn painful. I'd rather sit back one generation and let the problems sort themselves out before taking the plunge.

[junka]

There isent any doubt about it Vista is the bizz, Ive been playing around with it now since beta and it really is the dog bollocks. Best OS ever, by far. When all the driver problems are sorted and we can all aford a bit off a hardware upgrade, XP will become well forgotten. Dont get me wrong I int no MS fan boy and I think Willy Gates is a fat robbin basquard but my son the software is good.

[Judas]

it is a damn solid os.. no kidding...


i'm just baffled by your ati experience... imo i find the ati drivers REALLY quite solid, what problems are you having with you setup? what driver errors are you running into...

I know that one time i had downloaded the ATI drivers 7.1, and first experiences were kinda shaky, with reasonably decent D3D results and piss poor opengl issues (A PILE of opengl issues). After downloading the drivers for a third time, and doing a clean install, the problems were resolved and cropped up to be a driver installation issues.

[junka]

I had issues with most drivers since 6.10, mostly one game or another dident like them, graphical quirks you might say, then getting into the 7 series and the problems mainly lie with the CCC, that is one big bag of gerbil shat that is, CCC really showed us how good it was at crashing with the 7.2 zz, no doubt you have the 7.2 running crisp as a nut with your Vista but not all of us are that lucky roughly a quarter of us int that lucky.
Why-o-why dident they stick with the good old solid control panel?

[Judas]

For one, i don't think Vista and the Old Style control panel would have every really worked well. I think XP was more of a "start" on the idea, CCC ended up being a nessity for vista.

And actually when i think about it.

Maybe this is why Nvidia is going through hell with vista, the .net applications for the video cards aren't there with nvidia just yet, while ATI has been at work on it for what seems like years now.

While i haven't had any Serious issue i haven't been able to fix yet, i understand the problems, i'm quite unhappy that although the vista drivers STATE support for the 9550 radeon series, the drivers won't even install stating "Failed to find any installable components" and emediately quits... while the xp 7.2's install smooth as silk.

[HawgsHead]

Originally Posted by junka

There isent any doubt about it Vista is the bizz, Ive been playing around with it now since beta and it really is the dog bollocks. Best OS ever, by far. When all the driver problems are sorted and we can all aford a bit off a hardware upgrade, XP will become well forgotten. Dont get me wrong I int no MS fan boy and I think Willy Gates is a fat robbin basquard but my son the software is good.

"Fat Willy's" youre man IF you live in Afrcia & have the "skinny disease".

[junka]

Well here's hoping the 7.3 will bring joy and stuff to my Vista juganaut. For those of us having the driver blues it could be something we have installed which is banging heads with the CCC, I dunno, I'm a thick git, just wish it would get solved so I can enjoy nice solid gameplay like I do on XP using the Cat:6.10

Dunno what this means but it made me laugh..
"Fat Willy's" youre man IF you live in Afrcia & have the "skinny disease".

[HawgsHead]

Originally Posted by junka

Well here's hoping the 7.3 will bring joy and stuff to my Vista juganaut. For those of us having the driver blues it could be something we have installed which is banging heads with the CCC, I dunno, I'm a thick git, just wish it would get solved so I can enjoy nice solid gameplay like I do on XP using the Cat:6.10

Dunno what this means but it made me laugh..
"Fat Willy's" youre man IF you live in Afrcia & have the "skinny disease".

Bill Gates is sending BILLIONS to Afrcia to cure AIDS.....

[BattleAxe]

Originally Posted by Sandok

Personally, I'd say the move to Vista isn't a problem as long as you're hardware (sound card for example) is supported. I know I'm moving over the moment my dad can order a very cheap Vista from his job

I agree.

Ok, let me throw my 2 cents before some of you people do the wrong thing.

I have a degree in IT and also in server admin/ programming, along with being a Vista tester for the past 5 months.


Here is the Deal: (as someone mentioned it already)


Vista is working great.

I am suprised that I will ever say this, but this time it's not them to blame.

The problem isn't the OS, but the 3rd party driver providers. It is a problem and it has been the problem for the past 1 year or so. (yes they had 1 year already to make vista compatible drivers for their hardware)

It has been the problem since I first installed Vista RC1 ...all the way today with the final version: driver support.

Appearantly the bugged drivers come from *(unfortunately) 3 of the biggest manufacturers of hardware, namely:

Logitech (webcams aren't supported in Vista);

Creative (Audigy drivers borked up) and

Nvidia (graphics drivers aren't optimized enough)

There are probably more out there, but just mentioning 3 big ones, since probably 1 out of 5 people here own a product from one of those.

Nvidia could face bigger issues beside loosing customers (probably by the 100s each week), but also imagine what is happening with the pre-installed/made computer makers (dell, Compaq, HP etc) , who use onboard graphics from Nvidia or pre-install graphics cards onto the customized computers they sell.

As far as I know, most of these companies already shipping pretty much all computers with pre-installed Vista and I'm sure they are also having problems, because of the poor-drivers and the customer returns, which isn't their fault and yet they suffer financially and loosing potential customers because of it.

Trust me it's even worse with the Creative. Pre-made PC sellers are less effected by it, since most of what they sell is use the onboard sound (which works great in Vista), but it comes down to us, gamers who got used to the better quality sound.

Here is the biggest problem: Vista changed how sound drivers gets built in, Microsoft made the radical decision to remove the Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) for DirectSound and DirectSound3D. The HAL is the layer that on previous Windows Operating Systems enabled an audio accelerator such as the Sound Blaster X-Fi to provide DirectSound3D applications with hardware-accelerated audio.

So basically Microsoft said "goodbye" HAL-layer support for sound cards, and even though the xi-fi card has a program called "alchemy" available, audigy card owners still outnumber the Xi-Fi owners by large and their card isn't supported yet.

Not to mention, Creative had a year (just like everyone else) to twinkle around with their drivers and we still see no real results, so I don't blame Microsoft for that, they gave enough time to come up with something.

From my point of view, I go as the simple-minded person, who doesn't like to mess around, even though, I could edit .dll files and switch drivers around, I like to just "install and go" and If I don't get that, then I will not wait, neither feel sorry and I won't be "patient", but instead go out and buy a different sound/video card, that will work and make a note to myself what not to buy in the future.

It's really plain and simple, just like buying a car. If I buy a Ford and it constantly breaks, I'll try to get rid of it and buy a Toyota or Honda instead, because I know that they work better.
and I won't wait for the Ford Mo. Co. to come up with a better car, I neither need any promises, but I will just check around and find something better.
I'm sure 99% of the people out there with PCs, will do the same.

As as it is, here is where I stand.

I will be having a major PC upgrade in the near future, possibly a new MBoard/memory/vidoe card...the whole nine yards.

I will have Vista/XP dual boot as right now (just to play on the safe side), but I will avoid all the companies who has problems with their support.

I will not spend 130 bucks not to have sound, neither 400 bucks for not to have graphics, because I have to "wait".

No I don't have to wait for anything if there are alternatives.

for example a non-soundblaster-Sound Card that works under Vista
a not-Nvidia Video Card that works under Vista

you get my drift?

[Necrosis]

It gets better since it looks like Creative might be up to their old tricks. Apparently the X-Fi II software works w/ Vista except AC3/DTS, and of course EAX. Wanna bet me a a dollar to get full Vista support you'll have to buy a X-Fi II???

Originally Posted by BattleAxe

I agree.

Ok, let me throw my 2 cents before some of you people do the wrong thing.

I have a degree in IT and also in server admin/ programming, along with being a Vista tester for the past 5 months.


Here is the Deal: (as someone mentioned it already)


Vista is working great.

I am suprised that I will ever say this, but this time it's not them to blame.

The problem isn't the OS, but the 3rd party driver providers. It is a problem and it has been the problem for the past 1 year or so. (yes they had 1 year already to make vista compatible drivers for their hardware)

It has been the problem since I first installed Vista RC1 ...all the way today with the final version: driver support.

Appearantly the bugged drivers come from *(unfortunately) 3 of the biggest manufacturers of hardware, namely:

Logitech (webcams aren't supported in Vista);

Creative (Audigy drivers borked up) and

Nvidia (graphics drivers aren't optimized enough)

There are probably more out there, but just mentioning 3 big ones, since probably 1 out of 5 people here own a product from one of those.

Nvidia could face bigger issues beside loosing customers (probably by the 100s each week), but also imagine what is happening with the pre-installed/made computer makers (dell, Compaq, HP etc) , who use onboard graphics from Nvidia or pre-install graphics cards onto the customized computers they sell.

As far as I know, most of these companies already shipping pretty much all computers with pre-installed Vista and I'm sure they are also having problems, because of the poor-drivers and the customer returns, which isn't their fault and yet they suffer financially and loosing potential customers because of it.

Trust me it's even worse with the Creative. Pre-made PC sellers are less effected by it, since most of what they sell is use the onboard sound (which works great in Vista), but it comes down to us, gamers who got used to the better quality sound.

Here is the biggest problem: Vista changed how sound drivers gets built in, Microsoft made the radical decision to remove the Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) for DirectSound and DirectSound3D. The HAL is the layer that on previous Windows Operating Systems enabled an audio accelerator such as the Sound Blaster X-Fi to provide DirectSound3D applications with hardware-accelerated audio.

So basically Microsoft said "goodbye" HAL-layer support for sound cards, and even though the xi-fi card has a program called "alchemy" available, audigy card owners still outnumber the Xi-Fi owners by large and their card isn't supported yet.

Not to mention, Creative had a year (just like everyone else) to twinkle around with their drivers and we still see no real results, so I don't blame Microsoft for that, they gave enough time to come up with something.

From my point of view, I go as the simple-minded person, who doesn't like to mess around, even though, I could edit .dll files and switch drivers around, I like to just "install and go" and If I don't get that, then I will not wait, neither feel sorry and I won't be "patient", but instead go out and buy a different sound/video card, that will work and make a note to myself what not to buy in the future.

It's really plain and simple, just like buying a car. If I buy a Ford and it constantly breaks, I'll try to get rid of it and buy a Toyota or Honda instead, because I know that they work better.
and I won't wait for the Ford Mo. Co. to come up with a better car, I neither need any promises, but I will just check around and find something better.
I'm sure 99% of the people out there with PCs, will do the same.

As as it is, here is where I stand.

I will be having a major PC upgrade in the near future, possibly a new MBoard/memory/vidoe card...the whole nine yards.

I will have Vista/XP dual boot as right now (just to play on the safe side), but I will avoid all the companies who has problems with their support.

I will not spend 130 bucks not to have sound, neither 400 bucks for not to have graphics, because I have to "wait".

No I don't have to wait for anything if there are alternatives.

for example a non-soundblaster-Sound Card that works under Vista
a not-Nvidia Video Card that works under Vista

you get my drift?