Warning: August 14th Windows Updates

Zelig · Aug 15, 2007, 05:00 AM

EDIT: Disregard post below unless TCP/IP files have been patched from default.

On my Vista 64-bit install, the KB932596 released this Tuesday killed off a number of services, and the TCP/IP protocol, killing off network access.

I don't see anything useful about it on either MS's site, or on Google, so just have what Windows Update has to go by:

Quote:

Update for Windows Vista for x64-based Systems (KB932596)

Download size: 3.2 MB

You may need to restart your computer for this update to take effect.

Update type: Important

An update is available for Kernel patch protection included with x64-based Windows operating systems. Kernel patch protection protects code and critical structures in the Windows kernel from modification by unknown code or data. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer.

More information:
Microsoft Security Advisory: Update to improve Kernel Patch Protection

Help and Support:
Microsoft Help and Support

Anyone else had problems?

ChaosMinionX · Aug 15, 2007, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Zelig

On my Vista 64-bit install, either KB932596 or KB905866 update released this Tuesday killed off a number of services, and the TCP/IP protocol, killing off network access.

I'm guessing KB932596 is the problem, I don't see anything useful about it on either MS's site, or on Google, so just have what Windows Update has to go by:

Anyone else had problems?

None here, though checking windows update now.

8 updates- Installing now.....I usually have WU turned to manual

mkk · Aug 15, 2007, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Zelig

On my Vista 64-bit install, either KB932596 or KB905866 update released this Tuesday killed off a number of services, and the TCP/IP protocol, killing off network access.

Do you know if the network interface was using an unsigned driver? Microsoft are screwing their vices more tightly on driver signing for Vista x64 so maybe that's involved here.

Only funny thing I got here (32bit) was that I didn't get to have a say about wether these updates should be installed or not even though the setting was not on automatic installation.

ChaosMinionX · Aug 15, 2007, 06:24 AM

100% working here.

Judas · Aug 15, 2007, 07:20 AM

100% working here...

unga · Aug 15, 2007, 11:11 AM

No problem here. Working 100%.

Zelig · Aug 15, 2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mkk

Do you know if the network interface was using an unsigned driver? Microsoft are screwing their vices more tightly on driver signing for Vista x64 so maybe that's involved here.

WHQL nvidia driver.

I don't think it was a issue with drivers, the TCP/IP Protocol driver wouldn't load, which caused the Network Location Awareness service to fail to load, which makes the whole Network and Sharing Centre appear real empty.

To those who don't have problems; this looks to be an x64 specific update, are you running 64-bit with this particular update?

And why the hell does this update have no documentation with MS?

smegs · Aug 15, 2007, 04:40 PM

I know on their releases KB938194 and KB938979 it broke the workaround I was using to use unsigned drivers, so that's probably what's happening here as well.
If your NIC is using unsigned drivers, or if you have done any TCP/IP patching(for example, to get above the 10 connection limit), and possibly even if you've installed software like PeerGuardian and SpeedFan, it will make you unable to load those associated drivers and so your connection may go away.

This is what happened to me.

What you'll need to do, until a new unsigned drivers workaround is found, is each time the computer boots up hit F8 and then select to load Windows with disabling Driver Verification.
That's what I have to do

Judas · Aug 15, 2007, 04:48 PM

Windows XP however gotta royally messed up by some updates.... To the point that neither safemode/last known good config worked... just BSODs when loading windows.

>GSXR<mrbusa · Aug 15, 2007, 04:53 PM

XP 32bit no issues. All updates installed.

Matth · Aug 15, 2007, 04:54 PM

XP (touch wood) fine here, though some of the updates lanched in a way that caused my firewall to prompt (anti-leak).

Maybe something got in the way, and resulted in incomplete updates.

**temeteus82** · Aug 15, 2007, 05:04 PM

Vista 32-bit works just fine.

Judas · Aug 15, 2007, 07:26 PM

This is on an older machine with a fresh install of xp....

Zelig · Aug 15, 2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by smegs

or if you have done any TCP/IP patching(for example, to get above the 10 connection limit)

Ah, that's likely it, my router/network setup wasn't working well with the 10 connection limit... guess I'll hold off on this update until I figure a decent workaround.

keeler · Aug 15, 2007, 10:14 PM

My guess is that they slid in part of KB938979 that plugs holes in X64 driver signing. Based on what I've read, it does little more than line their pockets with "driver signing" dollars.
I use ATI Tray Tools to control vid card fan speeds, so I'll not update until I find something that takes care of this function.

Rick

WardenWolf · Sep 1, 2007, 07:44 PM

One reason they are doing this is the increasing existence of driver-level malware that gets installed to let the program work completely invisibly. By the time Vista came out, pretty much all hardware vendors had their drivers signed. During the initial rollout of Vista, to accomodate beta drivers, Microsoft allowed looser controls. Now that Vista is more established, they are implementing full signing requirements.

>GSXR<mrbusa · Sep 2, 2007, 01:23 AM

There is no way to sugarcoat what they have done to Vista to justify it. I use a PC for choice and the ability to mod the hell out of it if I want to. These dickheads treat us like we are so freaking stupid that it is insulting and angering just knowing that even as it is, if I want to have the best gaming experience I have to use M$ products. They want us on a standardized platform so they can charge us for everything from driver updates to a browser plugin that take one minute to code. I do not want a fifteen hundred dollar console. That is why they are starting to give the open source community and driver modding community grief. They even made Auto Patcher developers shut down and that is the best piece of software ever.

WardenWolf · Sep 2, 2007, 05:34 AM

You don't get it, do you? The problem is, the vast majority of users ARE stupid. That's why they have to do crap like this. Idiots screw up their computers because they don't read basic instructions and warnings. You haven't seen anything yet. I'm a network administrator. I get a report that a user isn't getting email. I go in, and turns out they've changed their sorting so the new emails don't come to the top. They're geting them, all right, they just aren't seeing them. And guess what? It took 2 weeks of "not getting email" before they even reported there was a problem. User stupidity knows no bounds. That's why driver signing and user account control exist. You can turn off user account control if you feel you are an advanced user, but for the majority of the sheep out there it's best to have it on.

Tipstaff · Sep 2, 2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by WardenWolf

You don't get it, do you? The problem is, the vast majority of users ARE stupid. That's why they have to do crap like this. Idiots screw up their computers because they don't read basic instructions and warnings. You haven't seen anything yet. I'm a network administrator. I get a report that a user isn't getting email. I go in, and turns out they've changed their sorting so the new emails don't come to the top. They're geting them, all right, they just aren't seeing them. And guess what? It took 2 weeks of "not getting email" before they even reported there was a problem. User stupidity knows no bounds. That's why driver signing and user account control exist. You can turn off user account control if you feel you are an advanced user, but for the majority of the sheep out there it's best to have it on.

A-freakin-men.

I tell ya, that was a page right out of my own life. What's really sad is that this would be one story out of thousands that could be told. Ok.. I'm lying... it'd be more like hundreds of thousands.

BlueMak · Sep 2, 2007, 09:20 AM

The fact that users tend to be ignorant doesn't make them stupid. It does make some other people though look like asses.

>GSXR<mrbusa · Sep 2, 2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WardenWolf

You don't get it, do you? The problem is, the vast majority of users ARE stupid. That's why they have to do crap like this. Idiots screw up their computers because they don't read basic instructions and warnings. You haven't seen anything yet. I'm a network administrator. I get a report that a user isn't getting email. I go in, and turns out they've changed their sorting so the new emails don't come to the top. They're geting them, all right, they just aren't seeing them. And guess what? It took 2 weeks of "not getting email" before they even reported there was a problem. User stupidity knows no bounds. That's why driver signing and user account control exist. You can turn off user account control if you feel you are an advanced user, but for the majority of the sheep out there it's best to have it on.

The problem is that I do get it. It is this type of mentality that has kept people from truly learning how to maintain there PC. Then on top of that the people that do ask a question get sarcastic and arrogant responses like your little paragraph of mumbojumbo. M$ could make an operating system that was secure at the core with full administrative rights if they wanted to. Bill Gate$ and his team want nothing more than to control every aspect of what we do with our systems. Do not for a second think that not letting us run the software we want to run has anything to do with security. If you do then you know as much about M$ real motives as the people you call idiots know about finding there email. Knowing more about something as irrelevant as a computer doesn't give you the right to be a total dick.

WardenWolf · Sep 2, 2007, 04:39 PM

Before you are too quick to judge, I politely showed her the problem and how to fix it in the future, and demo'd Outlook's sorting features. Point being, this what the average user looks like. You see malice and conspiracy everywhere, where there probably is none. Before you jump to conspiracy theories, look at the facts, and how easy it is to get drivers signed. Who should you really be angry at? Microsoft, for trying to protect both consumers and their reputation by doing quality checking on vendor drivers, or the hardware vendors who can't get their acts together?

>GSXR<mrbusa · Sep 2, 2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WardenWolf

Before you are too quick to judge, I politely showed her the problem and how to fix it in the future, and demo'd Outlook's sorting features. Point being, this what the average user looks like. You see malice and conspiracy everywhere, where there probably is none. Before you jump to conspiracy theories, look at the facts, and how easy it is to get drivers signed. Who should you really be angry at? Microsoft, for trying to protect both consumers and their reputation by doing quality checking on vendor drivers, or the hardware vendors who can't get their acts together?

I am not judging anybody and to each there own.
Your attitude when you speak of others that seem to know less than you is what bugs me. Your post stands for itself.
There is no conspiracy theory, there is a monopoly plain and simple.
There is more going on than just driver signing, they are eliminating all third party software that poses a threat, financially, to current and future crapware they are wanting to charge for. Eventually there will be no third party tweaking programs, drivers, indy games, open source projects that remotely resemble a M$ product, unlicensed game content, modded bios, modded firmware, modded hardware of any kind.
This is all going to happen in one form or another. I could write a book on ways our PC's are becoming more and more like consoles every day.

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smegs DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	I know on their releases KB938194 and KB938979 it broke the workaround I was using to use unsigned drivers, so that's probably what's happening here as well. If your NIC is using unsigned drivers, or if you have done any TCP/IP patching(for example, to get above the 10 connection limit), and possibly even if you've installed software like PeerGuardian and SpeedFan, it will make you unable to load those associated drivers and so your connection may go away. This is what happened to me. What you'll need to do, until a new unsigned drivers workaround is found, is each time the computer boots up hit F8 and then select to load Windows with disabling Driver Verification. That's what I have to do

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Aug 15, 2007, 10:14 PM	#15
keeler DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Central Texas Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	My guess is that they slid in part of KB938979 that plugs holes in X64 driver signing. Based on what I've read, it does little more than line their pockets with "driver signing" dollars. I use ATI Tray Tools to control vid card fan speeds, so I'll not update until I find something that takes care of this function. Rick

Sep 1, 2007, 07:44 PM	#16
WardenWolf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	One reason they are doing this is the increasing existence of driver-level malware that gets installed to let the program work completely invisibly. By the time Vista came out, pretty much all hardware vendors had their drivers signed. During the initial rollout of Vista, to accomodate beta drivers, Microsoft allowed looser controls. Now that Vista is more established, they are implementing full signing requirements.

Sep 2, 2007, 01:23 AM	#17
>GSXR<mrbusa im a FREAK Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,107 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	There is no way to sugarcoat what they have done to Vista to justify it. I use a PC for choice and the ability to mod the hell out of it if I want to. These dickheads treat us like we are so freaking stupid that it is insulting and angering just knowing that even as it is, if I want to have the best gaming experience I have to use M$ products. They want us on a standardized platform so they can charge us for everything from driver updates to a browser plugin that take one minute to code. I do not want a fifteen hundred dollar console. That is why they are starting to give the open source community and driver modding community grief. They even made Auto Patcher developers shut down and that is the best piece of software ever.

Sep 2, 2007, 05:34 AM	#18
WardenWolf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	You don't get it, do you? The problem is, the vast majority of users ARE stupid. That's why they have to do crap like this. Idiots screw up their computers because they don't read basic instructions and warnings. You haven't seen anything yet. I'm a network administrator. I get a report that a user isn't getting email. I go in, and turns out they've changed their sorting so the new emails don't come to the top. They're geting them, all right, they just aren't seeing them. And guess what? It took 2 weeks of "not getting email" before they even reported there was a problem. User stupidity knows no bounds. That's why driver signing and user account control exist. You can turn off user account control if you feel you are an advanced user, but for the majority of the sheep out there it's best to have it on.

Sep 2, 2007, 04:39 PM	#22
WardenWolf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Before you are too quick to judge, I politely showed her the problem and how to fix it in the future, and demo'd Outlook's sorting features. Point being, this what the average user looks like. You see malice and conspiracy everywhere, where there probably is none. Before you jump to conspiracy theories, look at the facts, and how easy it is to get drivers signed. Who should you really be angry at? Microsoft, for trying to protect both consumers and their reputation by doing quality checking on vendor drivers, or the hardware vendors who can't get their acts together?