Vista SP1 early reflections

mkk · Feb 12, 2008, 12:03 AM

I've been sick as a dog with flu for a couple of days so I had time to spare, like lying on the bed waiting for SP1 to install. That sure took a while, using the full package on a freshly installed Vista x64. Anyway here are a couple of things I've noticed over a few days use. Add your own to this thread if you notice some perticular change. Please no questions about how to obtain any files here.

Good things:

Kernel memory leak when copying tens of thousands of files in one go is gone. There was an unsupported hotfix that one could get after applying for it but it's nice to see it's finally been dealt with properly.
Readyboost is now usable. Edit: Strike that, while it doesn't hurt gaming performance I do get sound hickups/cutouts sometimes with Readyboost on. Previously I would experience a loss of performance in some games with Readyboost activated, but now I can finally let this fast Corsair memory stick do some work even though the system has 3GB RAM. I wouldn't be surprised if this indicates a little better Readyboost performance on most systems.
According to the Vista performance rating memory speed is up from 4.9 to 5.9 on this system. Though I have no way to tell if it was only the method of measurement that was changed, improved memory performance could possibly be the reason as to why some system parts of Vista is a little bit snappier on overall as well.
Trusted Installer has not started hogging a CPU core for a moment at every startup like it used to. Likely an improvement or bugfix to the Windows Update routine.

Not so good:

The bug where the explorer randomly introduces a different view to a random folder is still there. It took a couple of days for it to appear so I almost expected it to be gone.

Zelig · Feb 12, 2008, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mkk

The bug where the explorer randomly introduces a different view to a random folder is still there. It took a couple of days for it to appear so I almost expected it to be gone.

Sigh, to deal with this I've ended up customizing every folder view to be identical, so their whole premise is totally useless. You'd think something as obvious as this would be an easy fix.

I've got my Vista DVD with SP1 preintegrated ready to go, am going to wipe clean and reinstall for the first time since January '07 when I get some free time.

YAYitsAndrew · Feb 12, 2008, 06:39 AM

If you open up my computer and set the view there, it takes care of most cases of the folder views not being right. I still have an odd folder here or there where the "group by" option somehow got set though...

Mr cairo · Feb 12, 2008, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by YAYitsAndrew

If you open up my computer and set the view there, it takes care of most cases of the folder views not being right. I still have an odd folder here or there where the "group by" option somehow got set though...

mayby on your but not on mine i have given up restetting it all the time mayby when SP1 is out there they may put some time into sorting it

Judas · Feb 12, 2008, 02:45 PM

i'm working on a sp1 slipstreamed dvd as well

dr0p_z0ne · Feb 12, 2008, 03:14 PM

SP1 cannot be slipstreamed.

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Judas · Feb 12, 2008, 08:07 PM

what? that's horrible...

Zardon · Feb 12, 2008, 08:38 PM

i have a full SP1 Vista DVD from MSDN.......

Zelig · Feb 12, 2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Judas

what? that's horrible...

I don't think it makes a whole lot of difference, SP1 includes a cleaner tool (Vsp1cln.exe) to remove older files, and the online setup is more convenient for most home users.

System builders are going to have access to DVDs with SP1 preintegrated, so there's no need to slipstream anything.

Judas · Feb 13, 2008, 02:58 PM

well it's not so much a problem for when i'm building new machines due to receiving a fresh sp1 vista dvd anyways.....

but i was hopeing to keep my hands on an up to date, dvd with no license at all for purposes related to recovery or similare. Guess i'll just have to purchase a copy.... a well.

Al_Vampyre · Feb 13, 2008, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkk

The bug where the explorer randomly introduces a different view to a random folder is still there. It took a couple of days for it to appear so I almost expected it to be gone.

Sigh...I was really hoping they would fix this...its not a deal breaker but it is annoying as hell.

Hopefully, the transfer rate between disks has been sorted. I transferred a 4.2Gb ISO from one drive to another today at the whopping speed of 18 Mb/s...yep 18!

Judas · Feb 13, 2008, 09:27 PM

wtf al vampyre...

the only issues i've experienced.. and it's occured on xp as well.. is that occasionally my usb flash drive appears to be performing horribly (2.5mb/s on usb2.0 interface)... but it's only once in a blue moon..

inside vista.... i can transfer from disc to disc at thier full rated speed.. i've yet to see a case where it hasn't.

Zelig · Feb 16, 2008, 04:40 PM

Hey, quick question to anyone running SP1: Are you able to edit DEP settings through the System > Performance Options GUI, or do you have to use bcdedit.exe?

mkk · Feb 16, 2008, 07:10 PM

Yes Zelig, those DEP controls behave like normal here. If everything is grayed out for you then have a look at group policy settings perhaps.

Zelig · Feb 16, 2008, 07:28 PM

Okay, good to know. It's probably vlite that affected it, I assumed it would just change the default settings for DEP, not lock it so that I wouldn't be able to change it anymore...

Zelig · Feb 21, 2008, 03:57 AM

Anyone with SP1 been able to figure out how to re-enable the search option when right-clicking locations in windows explorer?

**temeteus82** · Feb 21, 2008, 01:37 PM

Just ran Windows Update and I got SP1 in there

Is it now officially out?

[EDIT] Size is 121 Mb

Vikingod · Feb 21, 2008, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by temeteus82

Just ran Windows Update and I got SP1 in there

Is it now officially out?

[EDIT] Size is 121 Mb

Strange, I don't think so, and the size is a lot smaller than the one I DL'd.

**temeteus82** · Feb 21, 2008, 01:52 PM

heh... Seth perhaps it's ready for 64-bit Vista

[EDIT] 4K post mark is broken

**temeteus82** · Feb 21, 2008, 02:07 PM

Here some screen shots :

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Vikingod · Feb 21, 2008, 02:18 PM

Oh, the size is 120-700MB, it's variable.

That is very strange though, I don't think there has been anything officially announced, unless it came late last evening.

**temeteus82** · Feb 21, 2008, 02:23 PM

Well I can download about 19% of it and then I get error code 80070002

Vikingod · Feb 21, 2008, 02:31 PM

Ah! It's a virus!

Sounds like someone at MS flipped a switch they shouldn't have.

Alistair · Feb 21, 2008, 10:48 PM

Only my Vista Ultimate x64 box is showing SP1 as available in Windows Update. My Vista Home Premium machines (x64 on secondary desktop, 32-bit on laptop) do not show it as available. I hope this isn't the new benefit of having Ultimate edition installed in place of the lacking Extras...

Vikingod · Feb 22, 2008, 01:19 AM

I noticed this earlier

Microsoft decides Vista SP1 x64 is ready for release

**temeteus82** · Feb 22, 2008, 08:16 AM

Hmm.. Now the SP1 is gone ...
Perhaps it's not ready to be send out ... and some one made a mistake a big one if I may say so ...

stormy13 · Feb 22, 2008, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zelig

Anyone with SP1 been able to figure out how to re-enable the search option when right-clicking locations in windows explorer?

Click on the folder you want to search in and hit Ctrl+F. Read up all the changes to the search function here,

Overview of Windows Vista desktop search Changes in Windows Vista Service Pack 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by temeteus82

Well I can download about 19% of it and then I get error code 80070002

Use vlite on your Vista install? If so you have one of two options; a complete re-install from a non-vlited disk or what I did on mine, an upgrade install from within Windows. One advantage to the upgrade install, it left everything (except for two drivers) that was installed (all programs, documents, most settings (had to re-disab;e a couple of services), etc).

Judas · Feb 22, 2008, 05:27 PM

i'm not installing anything that states "beta" in the details....

CJLMTLCA · Feb 22, 2008, 06:09 PM

In XP when you let windows thumbnail a folder full of pictures, it will always load up quickly when you come back to that folder and even when scrolling quickly down, the thumbnails are displayed right away.
In Vista i noticed that even though the pics are thumbnailed, scrolling will cause a delay in rendering the thumbs, has this changed in SP1?

Zelig · Feb 23, 2008, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stormy13

Click on the folder you want to search in and hit Ctrl+F. Read up all the changes to the search function here,

Overview of Windows Vista desktop search Changes in Windows Vista Service Pack 1

Yeah, I know about the changes, but I don't want to open the folder to hit search, I just want my search on right click back.

Feb 12, 2008, 12:03 AM	#1
mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,495 Rep Power: 132 System Specs	Vista SP1 early reflections I've been sick as a dog with flu for a couple of days so I had time to spare, like lying on the bed waiting for SP1 to install. That sure took a while, using the full package on a freshly installed Vista x64. Anyway here are a couple of things I've noticed over a few days use. Add your own to this thread if you notice some perticular change. Please no questions about how to obtain any files here. Good things: Kernel memory leak when copying tens of thousands of files in one go is gone. There was an unsupported hotfix that one could get after applying for it but it's nice to see it's finally been dealt with properly. Readyboost is now usable. Edit: Strike that, while it doesn't hurt gaming performance I do get sound hickups/cutouts sometimes with Readyboost on. Previously I would experience a loss of performance in some games with Readyboost activated, but now I can finally let this fast Corsair memory stick do some work even though the system has 3GB RAM. I wouldn't be surprised if this indicates a little better Readyboost performance on most systems. According to the Vista performance rating memory speed is up from 4.9 to 5.9 on this system. Though I have no way to tell if it was only the method of measurement that was changed, improved memory performance could possibly be the reason as to why some system parts of Vista is a little bit snappier on overall as well. Trusted Installer has not started hogging a CPU core for a moment at every startup like it used to. Likely an improvement or bugfix to the Windows Update routine. Not so good: The bug where the explorer randomly introduces a different view to a random folder is still there. It took a couple of days for it to appear so I almost expected it to be gone. Last edited by mkk; Mar 3, 2008 at 10:57 PM. Reason: Updating list

Feb 12, 2008, 06:39 AM	#3
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	If you open up my computer and set the view there, it takes care of most cases of the folder views not being right. I still have an odd folder here or there where the "group by" option somehow got set though... __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Feb 16, 2008, 04:40 PM	#13
Zelig HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,187 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Hey, quick question to anyone running SP1: Are you able to edit DEP settings through the System > Performance Options GUI, or do you have to use bcdedit.exe? __________________ --

Feb 16, 2008, 07:28 PM	#15
Zelig HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,187 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Okay, good to know. It's probably vlite that affected it, I assumed it would just change the default settings for DEP, not lock it so that I wouldn't be able to change it anymore... __________________ --

Feb 21, 2008, 03:57 AM	#16
Zelig HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,187 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Anyone with SP1 been able to figure out how to re-enable the search option when right-clicking locations in windows explorer? __________________ --

Feb 12, 2008, 03:14 PM	#6
dr0p_z0ne DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pasadena, CA. Posts: 20 Rep Power: 0	SP1 cannot be slipstreamed. WinBeta.org Beta News and Reviews

Feb 12, 2008, 08:38 PM	#8
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	i have a full SP1 Vista DVD from MSDN.......

Feb 16, 2008, 07:10 PM	Thread Starter #14
mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,495 Rep Power: 132 System Specs	Yes Zelig, those DEP controls behave like normal here. If everything is grayed out for you then have a look at group policy settings perhaps.

Feb 21, 2008, 02:18 PM	#21
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,197 Rep Power: 112 System Specs	Oh, the size is 120-700MB, it's variable. That is very strange though, I don't think there has been anything officially announced, unless it came late last evening.

Feb 21, 2008, 02:31 PM	#23
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,197 Rep Power: 112 System Specs	Ah! It's a virus! Sounds like someone at MS flipped a switch they shouldn't have.

Feb 21, 2008, 10:48 PM	#24
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Only my Vista Ultimate x64 box is showing SP1 as available in Windows Update. My Vista Home Premium machines (x64 on secondary desktop, 32-bit on laptop) do not show it as available. I hope this isn't the new benefit of having Ultimate edition installed in place of the lacking Extras... __________________ - Alistair

Feb 22, 2008, 01:19 AM	#25
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,197 Rep Power: 112 System Specs	I noticed this earlier Microsoft decides Vista SP1 x64 is ready for release

Feb 22, 2008, 06:09 PM	#29
CJLMTLCA 14X Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 633 Rep Power: 63 System Specs	In XP when you let windows thumbnail a folder full of pictures, it will always load up quickly when you come back to that folder and even when scrolling quickly down, the thumbnails are displayed right away. In Vista i noticed that even though the pics are thumbnailed, scrolling will cause a delay in rendering the thumbs, has this changed in SP1? __________________