New to Vista

Volcom929 · Feb 16, 2008, 06:06 AM

Is there a way to permanently disable driver signing? I have found some cmd's to disable it for what appears to be a single bootup but I would like this to be permanent. I Googled and found lots of stuff but from what I saw it was mostly the ones I have been trying.

Vista Ultimate X64 SP1

Tipstaff · Feb 16, 2008, 08:57 AM

A forum member by the name of Rizen mentioned a program he uses called ReadyDriver. You can check out that thread HERE. If I remember correctly it creates a bootable USB/CD/DVD that will automatically hit F8, and turn off Driver Signing for you.

The problem is this: Microsoft is enforcing Driver Signing. Any bypass that people come out with (including the bcdedit -set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS command) Microsoft patches just as fast via updates. In the case of the command I just mentioned, I remember that if you want to get it to work that you have to uninstall or not install these 3 updates: KB932596, KB938979, and KB941649. After that the above command will work, and it will disable Driver Signing. However, once those 3 updates get installed, or any one of those updates, it will start all over again.

BTW, KB932596 is a Kernel Protection update. This is the main update that will kill the above command. What sucks is that you have to unisntall KB941649, a very necessary patch for overall Vista stability.

Freulein · Feb 16, 2008, 01:03 PM

like tipstaff said you have to deinstall Hotfix KB932596.
but sp1 will reinstall the updates.
so...

Volcom929 · Feb 16, 2008, 01:27 PM

Hmm so basically m$ is giving it to us. Thanks for the ideas guys.

BlueMak · Feb 16, 2008, 02:26 PM

Why do you want to disable them?

Zardon · Feb 16, 2008, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volcom929

Hmm so basically m$ is giving it to us. Thanks for the ideas guys.

Originally Vista 64 bit was meant for professional environments, and microsoft (wrongly or rightly) felt that installing unsigned drivers could be detrimental to the stability and reliability of the operating system. Every company has to go through WHQL certification to get fully approved drivers.

Interestingly i use beta unsigned drivers from nvidia all the time and it never causes an issue, running 169.28 beta right now.....

Which specific drivers are causing you the heartache?

Zelig · Feb 16, 2008, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zardon

Interestingly i use beta unsigned drivers from nvidia all the time and it never causes an issue, running 169.28 beta right now.....

The 64-bit forced signing refers to drivers having a Publisher Identity Certificate (PIC), this is separate from WHQL certification.

Tipstaff: Looking through old MS papers, it looks like they had intended the BCDEDIT workaround to only be present in betas and RCs of Vista, with the only way around in RTM being to hit F8 on every boot.

Volcom929 · Feb 16, 2008, 11:33 PM

Some programs that give me issues are

Core Temp- Using the Vista fix one where you run the batch file first, not too bad but sometimes i forget and it doesn't load right.

Riva Tuner was a problem for a bit. It installed and said it needed to disable driver signing. Fine it did it and rebooted. When you opened it again it said the same thing that it couldn't load the driver and wanted to reboot again. I got that figured out with a cmd line.

It just seems that some other the smaller independent software developers programs are the ones I am having issues with. I don't know if it costs money to have them signed or certified but if that is the case I feel you will see less of these kinds of appplications for Vista. I think I got it all figured out for the moment thou. Other than that I love Vista x64. It runs smooth and games seem to play flawless. It was quite an upgrade from my old system.

Feb 16, 2008, 06:06 AM	#1
Volcom929 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 175 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	New to Vista Is there a way to permanently disable driver signing? I have found some cmd's to disable it for what appears to be a single bootup but I would like this to be permanent. I Googled and found lots of stuff but from what I saw it was mostly the ones I have been trying. Vista Ultimate X64 SP1 __________________ AMD FX-53 w/ XP-120 & Panasonic 120mm Panaflow fan Asus A8V Deluxe Rev 1.02 BIOS 1009 ATI Radeon X1950 Pro AGP 2 GB Corsair XMS PC3200XL 2-3-3-6 Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro 2*WD 10,000 RPM Raptor Hd's Raid 0 120GB Seagate 7,200 SATA LiteOn 8x dvd +/- RW LiteOn 52X CD-RW LiteOn 16X DVD-ROM PC Power and Cooling Turbo-Cool 510 Deluxe

Feb 16, 2008, 08:57 AM	#2
Tipstaff HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Real capital of Canada: Torauna Posts: 6,773 Rep Power: 191 System Specs	A forum member by the name of Rizen mentioned a program he uses called ReadyDriver. You can check out that thread HERE. If I remember correctly it creates a bootable USB/CD/DVD that will automatically hit F8, and turn off Driver Signing for you. The problem is this: Microsoft is enforcing Driver Signing. Any bypass that people come out with (including the bcdedit -set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS command) Microsoft patches just as fast via updates. In the case of the command I just mentioned, I remember that if you want to get it to work that you have to uninstall or not install these 3 updates: KB932596, KB938979, and KB941649. After that the above command will work, and it will disable Driver Signing. However, once those 3 updates get installed, or any one of those updates, it will start all over again. BTW, KB932596 is a Kernel Protection update. This is the main update that will kill the above command. What sucks is that you have to unisntall KB941649, a very necessary patch for overall Vista stability. __________________ Portal: The Flash Version _________________________________ Brain: So, you sacked the cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker? Mr. Sackett: The second cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker I've sacked since the sixth sitting sheet slitter got sick. Last edited by Tipstaff; Feb 16, 2008 at 09:28 AM.

Feb 16, 2008, 01:03 PM	#3
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Feb 16, 2008, 01:27 PM	Thread Starter #4
Volcom929 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 175 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Hmm so basically m$ is giving it to us. Thanks for the ideas guys. __________________ AMD FX-53 w/ XP-120 & Panasonic 120mm Panaflow fan Asus A8V Deluxe Rev 1.02 BIOS 1009 ATI Radeon X1950 Pro AGP 2 GB Corsair XMS PC3200XL 2-3-3-6 Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro 2*WD 10,000 RPM Raptor Hd's Raid 0 120GB Seagate 7,200 SATA LiteOn 8x dvd +/- RW LiteOn 52X CD-RW LiteOn 16X DVD-ROM PC Power and Cooling Turbo-Cool 510 Deluxe

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Feb 16, 2008, 11:33 PM	Thread Starter #8
Volcom929 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 175 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Some programs that give me issues are Core Temp- Using the Vista fix one where you run the batch file first, not too bad but sometimes i forget and it doesn't load right. Riva Tuner was a problem for a bit. It installed and said it needed to disable driver signing. Fine it did it and rebooted. When you opened it again it said the same thing that it couldn't load the driver and wanted to reboot again. I got that figured out with a cmd line. It just seems that some other the smaller independent software developers programs are the ones I am having issues with. I don't know if it costs money to have them signed or certified but if that is the case I feel you will see less of these kinds of appplications for Vista. I think I got it all figured out for the moment thou. Other than that I love Vista x64. It runs smooth and games seem to play flawless. It was quite an upgrade from my old system. __________________ AMD FX-53 w/ XP-120 & Panasonic 120mm Panaflow fan Asus A8V Deluxe Rev 1.02 BIOS 1009 ATI Radeon X1950 Pro AGP 2 GB Corsair XMS PC3200XL 2-3-3-6 Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro 2*WD 10,000 RPM Raptor Hd's Raid 0 120GB Seagate 7,200 SATA LiteOn 8x dvd +/- RW LiteOn 52X CD-RW LiteOn 16X DVD-ROM PC Power and Cooling Turbo-Cool 510 Deluxe