[Judas]

I've setup a considerable number of machines...

both latops and custom desktops as well as cleaned up a number of prebuilt desktops.


Of all the installation routines i go through, JAVA is the least used, and most unlikely requirement of all the programs out there.

people are more likely to need XVID codec installed before even JAVA.

My standard software installs include a number of programs.... plugins and whatnot,

but sun java is simply not on there at all.

Well recently i gave java another shot to see how smoothly things worked out.

yet again i'm presented with one hell of a sloppy job.

UAC messages through the roof, java's doing things even i don't want it to do.. and without anyone giving it permission.

To top it off, you can't so much as restart the computer without sun's java making UAC scream bloody murder.

what's worse? MOST people blame UAC for the issues...

wtf, things were dandy until Sun's JAVA decided it wanted full admin rights all the time and access to rediculious critical systems...what the hell does a "simple" plugin like this need such high privilages ALL THE TIME, CONSTANTLY.

I mean hell you can't even start another tab in either firefox or IE7 without it bitching emediately. You can try and force it to either "allow" and remember the settings or disallow.. it doesn't matter.. it's like it's always changing.

Not sure about anyone else... but if alot of people make sun's java part of thier initial install software, no wonder these people are so sick of UAC....

IMO, for sakes SUN, you've had over one and a half year to fix your shit with vista.... and countless years of continueing to make java what imo i would call a bloated pile of crap.

[PangingJr]

that's based only on your experience and only with all computer you build, so if no application that you are using, are actually require a Java plug-in, well, simply don't install it.
however, i believe there are a lot of Windows users out there do check their company news, or manage their work schedule, work assignments through some certain web applications, you can't log on the system if you don't have a Java plug-in installed.

[IvanV]

I must admit that I switched the UAC setting for my account to "automatically elevate" about a month ago, but I don't remember having an excess of Java related UAC messages before that, and I do a bit of web-programming, so I should have seen those.

UPDATE: I switched UAC back to "prompt for consent" (and confirmed that it is working), but I don't get a UAC message when I open a web page with Java content in either FF3 or IE7 (security level medium-high, protected mode on).

[Judas]

just using defaults.

latest version of java.

i can't even load google or browse to another page without it triggering..

Yes i'm aware that a number of people do use java.... but i feel sorry for those that HAVE to use it and under these circumstances.

I don't have any unique security settings in place.. just default UAC and such.

This isn't just my machine though.

just about everyone complains about it on the prebuilt laptops... mostly dell's.... or prebuilt desktops.

any machine i have come in usually about 10-15+ UAC prompts come up durring startup, and similare java related UAC prompts.

so it's just not my machines when java is loaded... it generally most people apparently.

Worse yet, java is usually loaded by default by alot of manufacturers of these computers.... so it's doing that right from the start.

What really ticks me off is that JAVA doesn't REMOVE the previous version before updating to the newer one... the result? In a matter of a single year, one machine had over 1.1GB of space waisted due to several dozen updates of JAVA taking on average 100MB per install..... why the hell is that happening? Even flaky and poor coded programs don't do that, they always either remove before installing, or install overtop and update the information... not make another install, over and over and over again.