[Warpy]

I'm gobbsmacked!

Info Link...

Has this popped up anywhere else yet??...

[Lowfat]

methinks this is in the wrong forum, but definately horrible news.

[Warpy]

Originally Posted by Lowfat

methinks this is in the wrong forum, but definately horrible news.

Aha! So which forum would you recommend?!

[Timsh]

vista? isnt it not coming out for like one year? And then even at that time i would wait until the next update comes for it.. So i got at least 1 and a half + with my x1900xtx

[Warpy]

Originally Posted by Timsh

vista? isnt it not coming out for like one year? And then even at that time i would wait until the next update comes for it.. So i got at least 1 and a half + with my x1900xtx

I thought Vista was scheduled for this year towards mid - to end.

[CDsDontBurn]

^^yes, that is true. it is scheduled to come out around October

[Warpy]

Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

^^yes, that is true. it is scheduled to come out around October

So Timsh will need a new card like the rest of us, as that x1900xtx wont be doing much.

[Sandok]

Just stick with XP?

[Randomletters]

Originally Posted by Sandok

Just stick with XP?

Exactly, XP wasnt exactly mr popular when it came out and vista probibly wont even ship with computer manufacturers (DELL, HP etc) for a good 6 Months after release So we've all got time, no need to scream DOOM

[Alien1]

If you want to watch movies at 1980x1080, your system will need to support HDCP. If you don’t have HDCP support, you’ll only get a quarter of the resolution. A 75% loss in pixel density is a pretty big deal

Maybe ATI owners will get lucky, and ATI will have some sort of free upgrade program. Maybe ATI owners will get shafted, and buyers of X1900XT’s are going to find themselves with a video card that cannot play HD-DVD or Blu-Ray at 1920x1080. Who knows?

there were only 10 PC monitors with DVI/HDCP support (we’re reviewing 5 of them). I was disappointed, but what was surprising is that many of these monitor manufacturers weren’t advertising their HDCP support. For monitors, HDCP support is the most important feature for having a “future proof” solution.

Sorry but i think the guy just forgot something and these does not make so sense

THE CURRENT LCD MONITORS DOES NOT SUPPORT RESOLUTIONS ABOVE 1280x1024 ANYWAY EXCEPT THE BIG ONES (above the 19 inch)
and he is talking about 1920x1080 with LCD monitors ??

How many people are having a expensive 21" or larger LCD monitor that supports so high resolutions ?? (1920x1080 in a LCD please only the most professional and very expensive monitors supports these kind of resolution)


The average users (worldwide) out there just do not have these kind of monitors
The most of them just have a 17-19" LCD with support up to 1280x1024 Max resolution or a CRT monitor


I am having a fairly large CRT 22 Monitor with support resollution up too 2048x1536

Do i need to give 1000000$ in a Big High resolution LCD with maybe Ghosting problems for my games or dead pixel problems just to run the Vista for HDCP??
And how many monitor with HDCP support exists out there ?? 10 ??


I just do not want to buy a LCD monitor with the current technology anyway


Something just does not seems right to these article and he is overeacting or he is right and Microsoft forgot us all

These feature is a optional one for the LCD monitors and cards that support HDCP and the resollution of 1920x1080 (Not less) from what i understand


Not a big deal to me
i never used that resolution anyway even if my card and CRT monitor already supports it and even if it is not a LCD

I think will enjoy Vista and watching movies in my PC even without that

[Partizan]

We could all boycott MS Vista and switch to future "user friendly" Linux


Regards, Partizan

[Vikingod]

Not a big deal to me. I can't afford a monitor that runs at 190923743476 X 124985278952579 anyway. Mountains out of mole-hills if you ask me.

With all change comes growing pains. It's not different for any other change in the computer/technology industry. Anyone who expects to get more than a couple years with their components and still have support for all the new tech is just kidding themselves. If you want that, you'd better go sign an SLA with IBM, pay $80,000 a year, and have them upgrade your machine every three days.

[g35x]

for gamers stay with xp and/or switch to linux is not an option.....halo 2 will be vista only and if miscrosoft is doing that im sure other game companys will 2.......everyone start writeing the game companys and tell them to start makeing linux games =) reactos (search google) will have direct X support soon =O and boycotting vista is a very good idea but most will still buy it and billy gates has so much money he wont give ashit

[Vikingod]

Game companies will still be making games for windows Xp for a long time to come. It takes a couple years before they will stop programing for XP. Boycotting Vista is pretty silly, and will be fruitless. MS will have their way.

The whole Halo thing is a gimmick, I don't think anyone with half a brain will purchase a brand new, unproven OS to play a 2-3 year old game. Other game companies won't make the switch right away because they realize not everyone is going to have the $300.00 to buy the fancy new OS that is filled with holes, if they even want to switch. The game developers would be throwing gobbs of money away, and they know that.

Again, this run around is not going to be any different then the last three OS releases.

Mountains out of mole-hills...

[pr0digal jenius]

Things nobody is mentioning:

1 - Vista is due out december the 10th, I think...thus, the fall product line will be crucial.

2 - Some Sony media Center PC's have HDCP support....fully...card and GPU...so it DOES exist, just not in stand alone retail cards

3 - No video cards much support WGF yet either, so we'd all be buying new stuff ANYWAYS

4 - Atleast they're not going for software level encryption, like CSS, that requires region matched firmware and some DRM keys. Hardware encryption is fast, efficient, and fail safe [until your board blows up]...count it a blessing and not a curse.

5 - You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. If pissing off customers si what's required to get the new blue laser tech launched, so be it.....people still watch VHS now....they can watch DVDs on XP instead.

[g35x]

Originally Posted by Vikingod

Game companies will still be making games for windows Xp for a long time to come. It takes a couple years before they will stop programing for XP. Boycotting Vista is pretty silly, and will be fruitless. MS will have their way.

The whole Halo thing is a gimmick, I don't think anyone with half a brain will purchase a brand new, unproven OS to play a 2-3 year old game. Other game companies won't make the switch right away because they realize not everyone is going to have the $300.00 to buy the fancy new OS that is filled with holes, if they even want to switch. The game developers would be throwing gobbs of money away, and they know that.

Again, this run around is not going to be any different then the last three OS releases.

Mountains out of mole-hills...

oooohhhhh so ms is the only company makeing vista-exclusive games??? (halo 2 is dead to me anyway i played it in it's xbox lifetime so i dont give 2 shits about it) goodnews for me

[Vikingod]

Originally Posted by g35x

oooohhhhh so ms is the only company makeing vista-exclusive games??? (halo 2 is dead to me anyway i played it in it's xbox lifetime so i dont give 2 shits about it) goodnews for me

I've not seen any news of any other companies doing this, and I don't expect to for some time. Hell, they only stopped making games windows 98 compatible like a year or two ago. It's not in the PC developers interest to make incompatible games untill the OS has really taken hold, and a majority of the masses have the thing.

[Retarp]

Back on topic:

My guess is there will be a software solution. Just like watching DVD's now. There is no real reason you have to have the special monitor cable. After all we already have the bandwidth necessary to watch these movies, which, unless I missed something, is what the focus of the article was.

[Necrosis]

I think I'm more concerned about DirectX 10 being Vista only.

[Dyre Straits]

From all I've read recently, most of us won't be able to simply 'upgrade' to Vista from XP. We'll have to get a whole new 64-bit system to do so since MS has opted to not support 32 bit in Vista.

Or am I misunderstanding something?

[Rasta Monsta]

Well, the Betas that are out now come in 32 and 64. . .

[The_Neon_Cowboy]

MS said before this critsmas on vista ..

and it been said things have also been going slower then planned...
so we might be talking 2007

[nitrousoxide52]

"NVIDIA offers a complete top-to-bottom line up of NVIDIA® GeForce™ graphics processing units (GPUs) that will take full advantage of the new Windows Vista features and functionality when the final OS is released."

http://www.nvidia.com/page/technology_vista_home.html

Looks like most of nvidia's cards will still work with Vista.

[BWX]

If they want me to buy a special monitor and video card to watch an HD movie on my PC I'll just download the freaking thing old school style and tell them to shove their HDCP up their ****



I like this quote from the article:

The solution to this problem isn't technical. It’s political.

How true that is.

[Dyre Straits]

The reason I asked the question re: 32-bit or no, is that, an article in the Business section of Wednesday's AJ/C said that Gates indicated that they are dropping support for 32-bit systems with the release of Vista.

Now, maybe whoever wrote that article misunderstood what was actually said. That's what I'm thinking.

However, to make things a little bit clearer, here's the link to Microsoft's actual guidelines for PCs and Vista compatibility:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win.../entpguid.mspx

[tastyweat]

Well that's bloody annoying... I was thinking of getting at the very least 1 x1900xtx... possibly a crossfire x1900 aswell... but was wanting to use my next system with vista... I wonder if ATi will offer some kind of solution for x1900 owners?

But then with vista will come DX10 - so would probably be wanting a new card anyway :S

[Judas]

oh wow.....

i'm still leaning towards a solution being provided...

be it that ati has already managed to get a chip onto the boards but has it disabled or whatever.....

don't know.... but it's of interest


and my guad.. there are dozens of cheap monitors.. even 19" crts that manage a 1920x1080 resolution @ a good refresh rate.......

[The_Neon_Cowboy]

any ways I thougt HDCP was a BAD thing...

[Rasta Monsta]

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

any ways I thougt HDCP was a BAD thing...

Right. . .lack of support for a heavy handed, hardware-based copyright protection scheme doesn't make our cards worthless.

rasta

[The_Neon_Cowboy]

we should be calling for "no support" , as if there no support
they won't use them becouse people can't use them bwhahaa!