[Mousey]

OK i'm having a couple of problems with my current install of XP (Spyware, don't know if AVG will get rid of it yet, not finished scanning), IE keeps randomly flicking open in the background and interrupting my typing/gaming/reading/ or w/e and it's annoying the hell out of me.

So when my Windows XP x64 torrent finishes imma burn it onto a CD, and install it onto my secondary HDD (20gb) and see if it runs on my celeron, and if it does i'm gonna format my main drive and upgrade to X64 because it runs everything a lot more efficiently... apparently...

is this wise great masters of DH, i seek wisdom.... *ommmmmmmm*

[FuNsTeR]

Originally Posted by Mousey

OK i'm having a couple of problems with my current install of XP (Spyware, don't know if AVG will get rid of it yet, not finished scanning), IE keeps randomly flicking open in the background and interrupting my typing/gaming/reading/ or w/e and it's annoying the hell out of me.

So when my Windows XP x64 torrent finishes imma burn it onto a CD, and install it onto my secondary HDD (20gb) and see if it runs on my celeron, and if it does i'm gonna format my main drive and upgrade to X64 because it runs everything a lot more efficiently... apparently...

is this wise great masters of DH, i seek wisdom.... *ommmmmmmm*

i hope you are intending to buy a legit version if you like it

[Judas]

MS freely provides (still) the 180 day evaluation copy of XP x64 fully working, course being he said torrent, yeah... kinda leaning towards not legal.


But hey, also mentions that IF x64 works, then he'd get a legal copy (did i misread something? )


Anyways, If it works good for you, i'm not sure how your celery is going to do (does it support x64 fully ?)

I prefer x64, i find it quite fast, and stable beyond reason. It also seems to be naturally better suited to deal with todays 32bit nasties.

[FuNsTeR]

Originally Posted by Judas

But hey, also mentions that IF x64 works, then he'd get a legal copy (did i misread something? )

yes you misread his post ... he never mentions buying a legit copy

[Judas]

Originally Posted by FuNsTeR

yes you misread his post ... he never mentions buying a legit copy

But he also doesn't mention that he specifically will be using either the "trial" version or the pirated one forever.

and if it does i'm gonna format my main drive and upgrade to X64 because it runs everything a lot more efficiently

Now that can be taken many ways, considering the first was to try and see if x64 will even work in the first place.


Reguardless, hopefully he responds and either confirms what you figure will happen or what i figure will happen. (and although it's less likely that he'll follow my hopefull thought, he'll probably go the other way)

[Vikingod]

Didn't really notice any difference running x64. A couple games had trouble with it (mostly due to copy protection that didn't work with x64). Big thing that is keeping me from using it, printer drivers. MY cheapy Lexmark All-in-one doesn't have x64 drivers (I will be getting a new one in a few weeks when my copy of Vista shows up.)

[Judas]

I haven't had much of any problems with anything other then the obvious issues with games that use copy protection that REQUIRES 32bit driver to be loaded (usually without you knowing it). OR scanners usually (specially the older ones)

Some people are having issues with installing for example, specific game controller with the packaged software. The controllers may detect on x64 correctly, but loading the profiler wants to use it's own drivers which aren't usually supported.


Anything i've ran in x64 natively in x64 mode, has ran beautifully, with several improvements in several areas. Course some of them have a few bugs, but usually they are just little things that don't mean much. Example is UT2004 x64, while the game appears to run several times more smoothly and loads a fair bit faster, the FPS status is generally totally screwed (the stat fps feature, the fps is usually totally incorrect). Fraps is a prime example of x64 mode, recording while gaming with this sucker at high resolution produces the least amount of lag and the least amount of dropped frames vs running the exact same setup under xp 32bit.

Virtual dub, x64 mode, can rip through encoding a video insanely fast.

While most of any 32bit programs that are run, run just as good as 32bit xp, there are always the few that simply don't work (rare for me) to the ones that seem to work even better under x64.

This is all based on personal experience running x64 for over a year now.

[Zelig]

Originally Posted by Vikingod

Didn't really notice any difference running x64. A couple games had trouble with it (mostly due to copy protection that didn't work with x64). Big thing that is keeping me from using it, printer drivers. MY cheapy Lexmark All-in-one doesn't have x64 drivers (I will be getting a new one in a few weeks when my copy of Vista shows up.)

Same here, I've been running it for a while, no real differences except for lack of printer support. Civilization 2 didn't work (well), but someone wrote a nice patch for it to fix it up.

[Mousey]

Originally Posted by FuNsTeR

yes you misread his post ... he never mentions buying a legit copy

quite right, and if i get landed in the shit well that's my problem and i'm prepared to accept the consequences.

Anywho thanks for the advice about x64, although i don't use a printer and i intend to run slightly more demanding games like Doom 3 and CoD2 on it.
Don't they run better because x64 can take advantage of more memory?

[Judas]

x64 can take advantage of more memory (xp gets cut off @ 2.8gb roughly, but i found that actually installing 3gb resulted in a significant decrease in performance under xp 32bit then if i were running 2gb), but that's not the only benifit.

Also alot of the performance depends on the drivers used, some drivers are still lacking in full x64 optimization. Hopefully that'll change, but overall i think a good number of system should see a minor boost in overall performance in SOME rare cases under x64, And usually ONLY when running x64 native programs.

I don't think Doom 3 has a x64 patch does it?

[Geminiwave]

ive found it to be slower and horribly incompatible. I actually have rather disliked x64. Also if you OC AT ALL, then its a bad choice. it crashes at a much lower clockspeed than its 32-bit brother.

[Judas]

Gemini, on which machine did you try it....

I've obtained much much higher OCs with x64 and retained better longer stability then with xp 32bit.

[Zelig]

Either way, if anything crashes, you've overclocked too far.

[Vikingod]

You won't notice speed increases with games, except maybe Far Cry, and UT 2004, which are the only games I can think of off hand that are x64 optimised (maybe Quake 4, but don't quote me).

Big thing you will notice will be file transfers, they are much faster.

[Zardon]

Originally Posted by Judas

I prefer x64, i find it quite fast, and stable beyond reason. It also seems to be naturally better suited to deal with todays 32bit nasties.

x64 is no faster than the 32 bit version unless an application is coded to do so. and to this point there is a handful of apps for this OS. "Stable beyond reason?" - i find none more stable than the other. Also didnt you state you couldnt get Xp 32 bit running right the last time - im certain you started a thread on this before, so how are you comparing this? to a failed/bad 32 bit install you had?

your last comment referring to viruses etc? if so then thats nonsense. x64 will simply run them just like 32bit code. It doesnt magically use an extra 32 bits to create a software firewall against malicious code or some such nonsense.

Fact of the matter is, all companies put main development to the 32bit OS, and this is being carried over into vista as well, 64bit has a lower development priority than 32bit, clearly seen by the state of early drivers when both were released. To a certain extent is still carries over.

I wouldn't even contemplate a 64bit operating system now, there are virtually no applications to take advantage of it, and you are throwing further issues into the mix as main development for the majority of programs is on the 32bit OS. There are many problems evident still to this day. But hey it has "32" more digits in the name, it has to be better right?

and as for judas overclocking comments, that is just really without comment

[Judas]

I was refering to some programs that like to install and run 32bit driver related programs, specifically some of the root kits or similare packages that won't work under a windows x64 enviroment. The viruses will run, majority of them, but any of them that run a driver or some sort, or think they are installing themselves on a 32bit xp machine, the registries they enter for themselves sometimes don't work.

I've found personally, on several machines, that x64 when setup and fully supported by the hardware is very very stable, seems to be more tuned then xp 32bit.

I plan on purchasing a x64 vista copy and running it, i've found absalutely no reason not to.


Everything i've stated i've stated based apon my own experiences. Perhaps it's the method and hardware i've setup everything with.

[Zardon]

Originally Posted by Judas

I've found personally, on several machines, that x64 when setup and fully supported by the hardware is very very stable, seems to be more tuned then xp 32bit.

I plan on purchasing a x64 vista copy and running it, i've found absalutely no reason not to.

You mean the warezed one you were trying to download?

I honestly cant even answer this thread (mainly because 95% of what you posted is nonsense and im not wasting more time answering it) but im aware of 32 bit and 64bit Windows operating systems judas, I beta test for them and I get everything via a full MSDN account. there is a list of issues for 64 bit vista the length of my arm, while the 32bit version has now very few. This isnt my opinion its fact, and the last time I spoke to you in the private forum you didnt even have a beta account, so how about you trust what im saying is true, rather than arguing on something you clearly know nothing about.

[Judas]

I haven't gotten a msdn account, last time i ran x64 vista (pre rc/rc1/rc2) on my own machine as well as a few other, i ended up with nothing but a failed installation. But i'm confident that MS will oventually fix it. the Warezed one, which i never actually ended up getting, was to see if the problem with x64 and my machines were resolved, and to try and getting the partitioning tables all sorted out and figured out. I never ended up getting any of them actually.

I never once said that i didn't trust what you were saying is true, and i'm not arguing with you at all about anything.

[Zardon]

Originally Posted by Judas

last time i ran x64 vista (pre rc/rc1/rc2) on my own machine as well as a few other, i ended up with nothing but a failed installation. But i'm confident that MS will oventually fix it..

Exactly. which is the point I was making. This is not about how Microsoft's current operating systems will be in 6 months time, this is in fact a thread started by a new/young user to the site looking for realistic advice on windows Xp 32bit and 64 bit operating systems. Fact of the matter is, installing X64 will not cure the issues he is having, and I feel a certain amount of technical misinformation is being given - this is after consultation with several moderators to ensure im being fair.

I apologise to the thread starter for the way this thread has developed and I would like to bring everyone's attention to a new rule added to our list today. This will ensure support threads are handled in a better and more responsible manner.

[Necrosis]

Most users will find fault with XP x64. You need to have specific hardware, and software to NOT have issues. Plus you need to do more research on the hardware & software you use before using it. I don't have any issues with it because the hardware I have supports it. However, the biggest issue I've seen with x64 is memory leaks, plus many 32 bit applications will consume more memory than what they normally would. Mousey with only having 1 gig you just may notice a decrease in performance.

Mousey could you give us the complete list of your hardware, and what software you use? BTW, to prevent the issue with spyware/adware I suggest the following programs.

1. Spyware Doctor
2. Adaware (Free)
3. Spybot (Free)
4. Spyware Blaster (Free)

[PandaZ3]

I am a longtime user of Win XP X64 and yes I bought a copy.... I am now using a newer trial build with a beta SP2 (Member of the MS Connect and eligible to do so)

Currently I am using X64 build 3790 and SP2 version 2825 (They have a 2845, but I don't care to uninstall , reinstall....)

In any case I have a number of games 32 bit that work great, and a few that are 64 bit enhanced. I am using a HP 5940 printer, Audigy 2 Value sound card, AGP X850 Pro, a legacy Sidewinder Precision 2 joystick .... and no driver or hardware problems. That was not always the case, but a lot of negativity is based on year old or older data.

Win XP Pro X64 is based on Server 2003, they (Microsoft) worked on Server 2003 first and XP X64 second so it had some lag time getting to consumer level concerns. Some saw this as a lack of support, but I am pretty happy with my current system.

I intend to stay with this OS for some time to come. I think if you have a 64 bit system then you should have a capable 64 bit OS for it.

I will try openSuse 10.2 64 bit on another machine when I get another computer case. I will keep on trucking with my Win XP X64 gaming machine though.

[fobis]

My father tried the trial of the XP Pro X64 (to see if it was worth purchasing), on his X2 4400+ system, and all it did was cause trouble for him. The installation was seamless, as was the driver installations for his nForce4 chipset and 6600GT. However, almost every game he tried crashed for no reason. Sometimes, it would be a CTD (crash to desktop), and sometimes, his system would sporadically reboot.
Honestly, with Vista just on the horizon, I'd skip XP Pro x64 and wait for Vista, since that will have more overall support from MS.

[PandaZ3]

I have it on a 4400 too and i have used Battlefield 1942. Company of Heroes, Call of Duty 2, Far Cry, and MS Flight Simulator X with no problems with XP64 and SP2

[Robert McClelland]

My Second Bro brought X64 bit by mistake online hoeply he get his money back soon on it. I told him stick with xp pro 32bit becacause of drivers issues with 64 bit x64

[PandaZ3]

What drivers issues?