Windows RAM limit?

MitchRapp · Oct 29, 2007, 02:32 PM

Hey guys

Someone has to explain this to me without using gigantic words...

If I am running Windows XP Pro (32-bit) on an AMD X2 6000+ with 4GB of RAM.... what does that mean in terms of limitations?

I have 2 kits of 2gb of OCZ 800mhz ram (so 1gb-1gb-1gb-1gb)

Will I be limited to 2 or 3gb or something?
The explanations I've found on the net are not extra clear...

Thanks

MitchRapp · Oct 29, 2007, 03:38 PM

No replies... things are looking grim... Should I just go ahead and install Windows Vista 64bit Ultimate?

**temeteus82** · Oct 29, 2007, 04:32 PM

32-bit windows can only utilize 3 Gb RAM 64-bit windows can have much more

Dyre Straits · Oct 29, 2007, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepiman

No replies... things are looking grim... Should I just go ahead and install Windows Vista 64bit Ultimate?

You seriously expected a reply within an hour on a work day?

**temeteus82** · Oct 29, 2007, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepiman

No replies... things are looking grim... Should I just go ahead and install Windows Vista 64bit Ultimate?

I would use money to something else than Vista Ultimate edition

MitchRapp · Oct 29, 2007, 05:46 PM

Well I'm convinced on installing Vista 64... maybe Home since Ultimate doesn't offer that much over Home edition...
Seems like SP1 has more and more drivers etc... and Vista 64 is the way to go !

CDsDontBurn · Oct 29, 2007, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepiman

Hey guys

Someone has to explain this to me without using gigantic words...

If I am running Windows XP Pro (32-bit) on an AMD X2 6000+ with 4GB of RAM.... what does that mean in terms of limitations?

I have 2 kits of 2gb of OCZ 800mhz ram (so 1gb-1gb-1gb-1gb)

Will I be limited to 2 or 3gb or something?
The explanations I've found on the net are not extra clear...

Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by temeteus82

32-bit windows can only utilize 3 Gb RAM 64-bit windows can have much more

actually, it all depends on how much TOTAL memory you have. so, for example, if you have 2x8800 GTX cards in SLI & 4GB of system memory, that's a total of 5.5GB of total memory throughout the system. If that's the case, your 32bit OS will only recognize 2.5GB of system memory. However, if you have a 128MB video card, windows will recognize 3.75GB of memory or so.

it's weird how it works. so yea. if you want to use all 4GB of system memory w/o any fuss, go winXP x64 or vista x64 to use all that memory. but you'll have the downside of not every program being compatible w/an x64 based OS. so, choose your poison

MitchRapp · Oct 29, 2007, 06:16 PM

ok but those "programs who won't run on vista 64" ... they can be run using the compatibility mode right?

**temeteus82** · Oct 29, 2007, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

it's weird how it works. so yea. if you want to use all 4GB of system memory w/o any fuss, go winXP x64 or vista x64 to use all that memory. but you'll have the downside of not every program being compatible w/an x64 based OS. so, choose your poison

Yeah there might be some issues running them in the WOW64 mode what is in use in x64 windows.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepiman

ok but those "programs who won't run on vista 64" ... they can be run using the compatibility mode right?

Yeah the windows will know what programs are 32-bit and use the WOW64 mode straight away so you don't need to do anything ...

Matth · Oct 29, 2007, 06:50 PM

If Vista 64 would dual boot without too many complications, then you could have the best of both worlds...

64 bit to make the most of the RAM and memory map (also for 32 bit applications which are virtual space compromised).
AnandTech: A Messy Transition: Practical Problems With 32bit Addressing In Windows - this discusses some problems and solutions related to the address space limitation.

An alternative 32 bit OS, for things which don't like Vista or WOW64

PangingJr · Nov 6, 2007, 09:14 AM

i used to have both Vista 32-bit and 64-bit during they were beta, but have not tried in the release versions since i will need to have another Vista's licence. personally, i think there is not too many complications to dual boot them if needed, and based on my past experience the dual booting is not a self-complicating system at all.

as for about answering the op's original question, this below Microsoft article may not explain well, however, this is more about 4 GB of RAM installed and Vista

-- The system memory that is reported in the System Information dialog box in Windows Vista is less than you expect if 4 GB of RAM is installed

this below article talks about the set PAE forceenable. i personally don't recommend using this method, the Windows system may not stable due to problem of some device drivers.

- Feed 4 GB of RAM to 32-bit Windows Vista - No more memory limitations - Softpedia

MitchRapp · Nov 6, 2007, 02:38 PM

I've installed Vista x64 Ultimate.
Every program I use seems to be fine except for:

- Crap Cleaner ... cleaning the registry doesn't seem to work since the same issues show up on the next scan
- Nero ... well Nero StartSmart doesn't work, but everything else does
- Logitech Webcam (QuickCam Communicate) -- logitech is too lame to make vista drivers --- they've lost many customers.

Everything else seems perfect

Oct 29, 2007, 02:32 PM	#1
MitchRapp a.k.a. pepiman Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 998 Rep Power: 51 System Specs	Windows RAM limit? Hey guys Someone has to explain this to me without using gigantic words... If I am running Windows XP Pro (32-bit) on an AMD X2 6000+ with 4GB of RAM.... what does that mean in terms of limitations? I have 2 kits of 2gb of OCZ 800mhz ram (so 1gb-1gb-1gb-1gb) Will I be limited to 2 or 3gb or something? The explanations I've found on the net are not extra clear... Thanks

Oct 29, 2007, 06:50 PM	#10
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	If Vista 64 would dual boot without too many complications, then you could have the best of both worlds... 64 bit to make the most of the RAM and memory map (also for 32 bit applications which are virtual space compromised). AnandTech: A Messy Transition: Practical Problems With 32bit Addressing In Windows - this discusses some problems and solutions related to the address space limitation. An alternative 32 bit OS, for things which don't like Vista or WOW64 __________________ Mary had a little lamb, Her father shot it dead Now Mary takes her lamb to school, Between two crusts of bread

Nov 6, 2007, 09:14 AM	#11
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	i used to have both Vista 32-bit and 64-bit during they were beta, but have not tried in the release versions since i will need to have another Vista's licence. personally, i think there is not too many complications to dual boot them if needed, and based on my past experience the dual booting is not a self-complicating system at all. as for about answering the op's original question, this below Microsoft article may not explain well, however, this is more about 4 GB of RAM installed and Vista -- The system memory that is reported in the System Information dialog box in Windows Vista is less than you expect if 4 GB of RAM is installed this below article talks about the set PAE forceenable. i personally don't recommend using this method, the Windows system may not stable due to problem of some device drivers. - Feed 4 GB of RAM to 32-bit Windows Vista - No more memory limitations - Softpedia Last edited by PangingJr; Nov 6, 2007 at 09:37 AM.

Oct 29, 2007, 03:38 PM	Thread Starter #2
MitchRapp a.k.a. pepiman Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 998 Rep Power: 51 System Specs	No replies... things are looking grim... Should I just go ahead and install Windows Vista 64bit Ultimate?

Oct 29, 2007, 05:46 PM	Thread Starter #6
MitchRapp a.k.a. pepiman Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 998 Rep Power: 51 System Specs	Well I'm convinced on installing Vista 64... maybe Home since Ultimate doesn't offer that much over Home edition... Seems like SP1 has more and more drivers etc... and Vista 64 is the way to go !

Oct 29, 2007, 06:16 PM	Thread Starter #8
MitchRapp a.k.a. pepiman Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 998 Rep Power: 51 System Specs	ok but those "programs who won't run on vista 64" ... they can be run using the compatibility mode right?

Nov 6, 2007, 02:38 PM	Thread Starter #12
MitchRapp a.k.a. pepiman Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 998 Rep Power: 51 System Specs	I've installed Vista x64 Ultimate. Every program I use seems to be fine except for: - Crap Cleaner ... cleaning the registry doesn't seem to work since the same issues show up on the next scan - Nero ... well Nero StartSmart doesn't work, but everything else does - Logitech Webcam (QuickCam Communicate) -- logitech is too lame to make vista drivers --- they've lost many customers. Everything else seems perfect