winXP is GREAT! (kind of long)

shuki · Jun 18, 2002, 06:21 PM

I've been a very, very satisfied winME user over the past 2+ years. Sure I hear how terrible an OS it is and all about the problems others have/had with it but for me it was a really good experience. until two days ago. a routine defrag and reboot and I can't get into windows. not in safe mode, not from cd, etc.. ( won't go into that now). So it was time to reformat. After some encouragement from someone I trust, I decided to give winXP a chance. But of course I was all nervous. I new winME. I new how to do what I wanted to do. I knew my way around. it was "mine" and I was comfortable there. Shuki didn't want to bring new girl in house when already had girlfriend. already new what old g/f liked what she didn't like but now here comes new girl and not too sure about it.... but went for it!

Installed XP yesterday. definitely a big "look" change that I hated! but once I got classic style going on and once I straightened out the stupid start menu to what I was used to I began to settle right it. I am really pleasantly surprised at how many things are the same. Even my good friend msconfig is still there! control panel. my computer. my documents. all there. so what I thought was a completely new woman I realized to still in fact be a woman just a lot better looking! Two days into the switch and I'm one happy camper! If you're riding the fence grab the bull by the horns and go for it! the waters fine

UberLord · Jun 18, 2002, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shuki
If you're riding the fence grab the bull by the horns and go for it! the waters fine

Remember boys and girls, this is a trained Stunt Installer, so don't try this at home!

hehehehe

Glad your liking the XPerience. In a while you'll be ready for the greatest challenge of all - Linux!

Zardon · Jun 18, 2002, 06:47 PM

yes XP is a great OS, glad you are liking it !

Ryoko · Jun 18, 2002, 07:06 PM

argh... winxp...

i have win98se at home, and winxp at work.

which is more stable? win98se. (winxp locks or restarts programs 2-5 times a day, win98 has never locked, restarted, or needed to restart unless upgrading hardware)

which is faster? win98se. (winxp takes anywhere from 4 to 20 times as long to perform the same operation on a faster system)

which is more compatible? win98se. (i still use some VERY useful 16 bit programs)

which allows more free resources? win98se. (no contest)

just MHO...

~~Crash Override~~ · Jun 18, 2002, 08:17 PM

heh I told ya WinME would finally crap out on ya shuki

Ryoko for some things I agree win98 is better.

Some people do have better experience with it but for the most part XP is a godsend for some.

Business grade stability with the features that youre used to and more

Zardon · Jun 18, 2002, 08:31 PM

actually I dont agree with Ryoko on anything he said there, perhaps in the early days of XP yes, certainly not now, and more importantly putting opinions out of the debate, the facts really dont lend much weight on the 9x OS. from the unstable kernel to DLL hell.... I never liked it, even after 5 years of using it. and I classed myself somewhat modestly as an expert 9x user. for casual game playing and a little serious work its fine. but you want to push it, with more than 256 meg of ram, and start heavy business or render work, forget it. the memory handling is abysmal.

I actually think alot of these comments about game playing being poor, are from people who have either not used the OS as it stands now, or people who for some, quite unusual reasoning, have a fondness for the 9x code.

Microsoft ended the production of 9x code for many reasons. but im too old and tired to go over it all again, maybe ill copy and paste some of my rage3d postings about it someday.

installing more than 60 systems a month or so, has given me quite an educated viewpoint on this also. im not sure in Ryokos case, as I know he is quite an experienced user, but generally XP problems resolve from poor installs, either on a driver standpoint or other issues. 9x is renowned throughout the industry for having as much staying power as a 70 year old man with a heart problem. hence the microsoft stance on developing NT code from 2000 to the current variation for multimedia and business use, one of their few good moves in recent years.

I know Ryoko and Digitalwander love 9x, and I respect and appreciate that, whatever you all want to use is cool, but I know for certain, my copies of 95,98,98SE and ME will remain in my antique box in the computer room

, but I dont think quoting misfeed information about 9x being a more stable platform than NT code is going to have any weight with an educated user.

Ryoko · Jun 18, 2002, 08:42 PM

the win98se computer (my home computer) is running on an athlon 1.2 @ 1.36 with 768mb ram, the winxp computer (my work computer) is running on a p4 2.0ghz with 1gb ram. the home computer can render for 4 hours without so much as getting 1 white pixel in the mpeg. the computer at work can sometimes render for as long as 45 minutes before it crashes to the desktop. go figure...

Zardon · Jun 18, 2002, 08:44 PM

well Im not going to get involved in a debate over opinions on 1 specific system, but in the industry 9x code is not used for heavy duty rendering on a windows platform. and there is a reason for this. its not opinion, just fact.

I think your IT guys need to fix the setup on your business rig. thats for sure.

ive used 3dstudio max, vue desprit, and bryce amongst others on my home rig, and i have yet to experience a lock out or issue with XP pro and 2000 pro. go figure

Jeff · Jun 18, 2002, 08:48 PM

I've had WinXP running for almost 3 weeks without restarting or crashing.

Ryoko · Jun 18, 2002, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
well Im not going to get involved in a debate over opinions on a certain system, but in the industry 9x code is not used for heavy duty rendering on a windows platform. and there is a reason for this. its not opinion, just fact.

yeah, and aol is used in 40% of all american homes with internet access. if fact (or logic) were used, aol would be used in 0%. sometimes you can get a solid copy of win98se, and sometimes you can get a finicky copy of winxp. i know it goes against common reasoning, and maybe i'm not giving winxp enough of a chance. for all i know, it could run as fast and as stable as my copy of win98 on my home computer. win2000 didn't help the work computer either, as it was crashing every 15 minutes to a half hour. but i go by this reasoning: if it's working perfectly and fast enough, why change?

Zardon · Jun 18, 2002, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryoko
if it's working perfectly and fast enough, why change?

actually your logic is very good!, maybe someday you could try a dual boot when you have time and just install XP on another drive, a nice clean install. that way you can mess with XP, while having the familar interface of 98 to do your main work etc.

you might have a pleasant surprise. trust me

Ryoko · Jun 18, 2002, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
actually your logic is very good!, maybe someday you could try a dual boot when you have time and just install XP on another drive, a nice clean install. that way you can mess with XP, while having the familar interface of 98 to do your main work etc.

you might have a pleasant surprise. trust me

my raid array is keeping me from doing just that. i'd have to have winxp drivers for it, as well as a new bios... too much work for me to justify doing that... however, i could put it on my 10gb drive just to see how stable it is... now you got me thinking. i don't want to think

Zardon · Jun 18, 2002, 09:01 PM

what kind of setup is your Raid array?

Ryoko · Jun 18, 2002, 09:13 PM

promise raid 0, 2x30gb maxtor 7200 rpm, ata100.

shuki · Jun 18, 2002, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryoko
if it's working perfectly and fast enough, why change?

that was my thinking exactly! but then suddenly a defrag and reboot changed everything. figured why not give XP a go and here I am! Even put on new audigy XP compaq drivers and surround mixer without any problems! then tonight I needed to install our digital camera software that is a year and half old. On the disc it says win95/98 and NT4.0 figured no way it's gonna work with XP. So I spend about 10 minutes searching the web for later software but couldn't find any

Figured well give it a try. Guess what, no problems whatsoever! Installed and d/led my pics just fine

So far, I am really liking XP. and that coming from a VERY satisfied winME user. It was very good to me but I think a new kids in town

the true tests will be in the coming days as I begin to install and play games (GTA3, MOHAA, JK2, etc...) Hope all goes even half as well as it has to this point! Oh yeah, maybe a different post is needed but isn't there a refresh rate problem with XP and games? and if so, what's the best fix for that?

Ryoko · Jun 18, 2002, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shuki
Oh yeah, maybe a different post is needed but isn't there a refresh rate problem with XP and games? and if so, what's the best fix for that?

zardon will probably be able to help you with that, but your games will all run at 60fps without the fix.

also, searching rage3d should give you an answer.

shuki · Jun 18, 2002, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryoko
but your games will all run at 60fps without the fix.

woohoo! all of them 60fps

sorry, couldn't resist

Ryoko · Jun 18, 2002, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shuki
woohoo! all of them 60fps

sorry, couldn't resist

uh, err, uh, i think my brother posted that

i mean your refresh rate will be capped at 60hz... wouldn't it be great to get 60fps all the time, on every game

Zardon · Jun 18, 2002, 09:39 PM

there are other refresh fixers but my fav is here http://www.radeon2.ru/refreshfix_eng.html

kinetic · Jun 18, 2002, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyborg
I've had WinXP running for almost 3 weeks without restarting or crashing.

3 months for me

Impulse · Jun 19, 2002, 05:15 AM

[SIZE=x-small]I never had a BSOD in Windows 2000. I had several BSOD's with Windows XP... YAY

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Jun 18, 2002, 06:21 PM	#1
shuki DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: in the hidden place Posts: 1,975 Rep Power: 0	winXP is GREAT! (kind of long) I've been a very, very satisfied winME user over the past 2+ years. Sure I hear how terrible an OS it is and all about the problems others have/had with it but for me it was a really good experience. until two days ago. a routine defrag and reboot and I can't get into windows. not in safe mode, not from cd, etc.. ( won't go into that now). So it was time to reformat. After some encouragement from someone I trust, I decided to give winXP a chance. But of course I was all nervous. I new winME. I new how to do what I wanted to do. I knew my way around. it was "mine" and I was comfortable there. Shuki didn't want to bring new girl in house when already had girlfriend. already new what old g/f liked what she didn't like but now here comes new girl and not too sure about it.... but went for it! Installed XP yesterday. definitely a big "look" change that I hated! but once I got classic style going on and once I straightened out the stupid start menu to what I was used to I began to settle right it. I am really pleasantly surprised at how many things are the same. Even my good friend msconfig is still there! control panel. my computer. my documents. all there. so what I thought was a completely new woman I realized to still in fact be a woman just a lot better looking! Two days into the switch and I'm one happy camper! If you're riding the fence grab the bull by the horns and go for it! the waters fine

Jun 18, 2002, 08:48 PM	#9
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,191 Rep Power: 80	I've had WinXP running for almost 3 weeks without restarting or crashing. __________________

Jun 18, 2002, 06:47 PM	#3
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	yes XP is a great OS, glad you are liking it !

Jun 18, 2002, 07:06 PM	#4
Ryoko American Soldier Join Date: May 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA Posts: 1,725 Rep Power: 0	argh... winxp... i have win98se at home, and winxp at work. which is more stable? win98se. (winxp locks or restarts programs 2-5 times a day, win98 has never locked, restarted, or needed to restart unless upgrading hardware) which is faster? win98se. (winxp takes anywhere from 4 to 20 times as long to perform the same operation on a faster system) which is more compatible? win98se. (i still use some VERY useful 16 bit programs) which allows more free resources? win98se. (no contest) just MHO...

Jun 18, 2002, 08:17 PM	#5
~~Crash Override~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,448 Rep Power: 0	heh I told ya WinME would finally crap out on ya shuki Ryoko for some things I agree win98 is better. Some people do have better experience with it but for the most part XP is a godsend for some. Business grade stability with the features that youre used to and more

Jun 18, 2002, 08:31 PM	#6
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	actually I dont agree with Ryoko on anything he said there, perhaps in the early days of XP yes, certainly not now, and more importantly putting opinions out of the debate, the facts really dont lend much weight on the 9x OS. from the unstable kernel to DLL hell.... I never liked it, even after 5 years of using it. and I classed myself somewhat modestly as an expert 9x user. for casual game playing and a little serious work its fine. but you want to push it, with more than 256 meg of ram, and start heavy business or render work, forget it. the memory handling is abysmal. I actually think alot of these comments about game playing being poor, are from people who have either not used the OS as it stands now, or people who for some, quite unusual reasoning, have a fondness for the 9x code. Microsoft ended the production of 9x code for many reasons. but im too old and tired to go over it all again, maybe ill copy and paste some of my rage3d postings about it someday. installing more than 60 systems a month or so, has given me quite an educated viewpoint on this also. im not sure in Ryokos case, as I know he is quite an experienced user, but generally XP problems resolve from poor installs, either on a driver standpoint or other issues. 9x is renowned throughout the industry for having as much staying power as a 70 year old man with a heart problem. hence the microsoft stance on developing NT code from 2000 to the current variation for multimedia and business use, one of their few good moves in recent years. I know Ryoko and Digitalwander love 9x, and I respect and appreciate that, whatever you all want to use is cool, but I know for certain, my copies of 95,98,98SE and ME will remain in my antique box in the computer room , but I dont think quoting misfeed information about 9x being a more stable platform than NT code is going to have any weight with an educated user.

Jun 18, 2002, 08:42 PM	#7
Ryoko American Soldier Join Date: May 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA Posts: 1,725 Rep Power: 0	the win98se computer (my home computer) is running on an athlon 1.2 @ 1.36 with 768mb ram, the winxp computer (my work computer) is running on a p4 2.0ghz with 1gb ram. the home computer can render for 4 hours without so much as getting 1 white pixel in the mpeg. the computer at work can sometimes render for as long as 45 minutes before it crashes to the desktop. go figure...

Jun 18, 2002, 08:44 PM	#8
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	well Im not going to get involved in a debate over opinions on 1 specific system, but in the industry 9x code is not used for heavy duty rendering on a windows platform. and there is a reason for this. its not opinion, just fact. I think your IT guys need to fix the setup on your business rig. thats for sure. ive used 3dstudio max, vue desprit, and bryce amongst others on my home rig, and i have yet to experience a lock out or issue with XP pro and 2000 pro. go figure

Jun 18, 2002, 09:01 PM	#13
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	what kind of setup is your Raid array?

Jun 18, 2002, 09:13 PM	#14
Ryoko American Soldier Join Date: May 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA Posts: 1,725 Rep Power: 0	promise raid 0, 2x30gb maxtor 7200 rpm, ata100.

Jun 18, 2002, 09:39 PM	#19
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	there are other refresh fixers but my fav is here http://www.radeon2.ru/refreshfix_eng.html

Jun 19, 2002, 05:15 AM	#21
Impulse l33t Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 248 Rep Power: 0	[SIZE=x-small]I never had a BSOD in Windows 2000. I had several BSOD's with Windows XP... YAY [/SIZE]