If, (and I bloody mean "if"!), I were to be silly enough to try installing XP again before SP1...

digitalwanderer · Jul 7, 2002, 01:54 PM

....what would the best online tweak guides be? (For a total newb with a very negative attitude towards XP preferably...)

Necrosis · Jul 7, 2002, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
....what would the best online tweak guides be? (For a total newb with a very negative attitude towards XP preferably...)

Give this a go.

http://www.tweakxp.com/tweakxp/

DallasStar · Jul 7, 2002, 04:46 PM

Windows XP is composed of many different "services" (most of which you don't need and will never need). You can easily disable and enable certain services by going to:

Start-->Run-->"services.msc"
and then rightclicking your desired service and enabling/disabling it.

HERE: http://www.blkviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

is a guide that tells you what to enable/disable and what the effects are. I'd recommend you steer clear of the "gaming tweaks" and "super tweaks" and simply follow the "safe tweaks" path for now. Once you become comfortable with this, visit this page: http://www.blkviper.com/WinXP/service411.htm

This page explains in detail what every service does and can allow you to disable more tweaks based on what you do/don't use Windows for. For example, you would disable the "server" service if your computer is not a server etc....

I did these and now I like XP better than 2k and 98 both

After doing all these tweaks, download this app:
http://www.totalidea.de/frameset-tweakxp.htm

The FIRST THING you should do with this app is to click on "Hardware Tweaks" and then choose your CPU and then "open optimization wizard" and then "tweak my system now". Then, go to "Cache Optimization" (in the left menu) and choose the appropriate options. That should be all you need to do to tweak your system

.

Necrosis · Jul 7, 2002, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dallasstar
Windows XP is composed of many different "services" (most of which you don't need and will never need). You can easily disable and enable certain services by going to:

Start-->Run-->"services.msc"
and then rightclicking your desired service and enabling/disabling it.

HERE: http://www.blkviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

is a guide that tells you what to enable/disable and what the effects are. I'd recommend you steer clear of the "gaming tweaks" and "super tweaks" and simply follow the "safe tweaks" path for now. Once you become comfortable with this, visit this page: http://www.blkviper.com/WinXP/service411.htm

This page explains in detail what every service does and can allow you to disable more tweaks based on what you do/don't use Windows for. For example, you would disable the "server" service if your computer is not a server etc....

I did these and now I like XP better than 2k and 98 both

After doing all these tweaks, download this app:
http://www.totalidea.de/frameset-tweakxp.htm

The FIRST THING you should do with this app is to click on "Hardware Tweaks" and then choose your CPU and then "open optimization wizard" and then "tweak my system now". Then, go to "Cache Optimization" (in the left menu) and choose the appropriate options. That should be all you need to do to tweak your system .

Man that sure beats the stupid text file I was using for services!

Yeti · Jul 7, 2002, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Man that sure beats the stupid text file I was using for services!

Lol... i wish i could get rid of the services on my comp that easily

DallasStar · Jul 7, 2002, 07:19 PM

LOL

I pity you guys for having had to work so hard

@digital:

Give XP another proper chance. You say you've tweaked 98SE to the bone, so why not do that to XP? Just do it. You'll be happier without that crappy OS that "slows down over time" and then surprises you when you format your harddrive and reinstall and makes you think that you forgot what you did to tweak it

~~Crash Override~~ · Jul 7, 2002, 10:07 PM

I know this is gonna get a boo hiss reply but why bother tweaking xp?

I mean Pro I can understand ya tweakin but not Home.

For me my home edition runs like a dream on my 1.4 Tbird with 512MB of PC-133 (Not to say im not upgrading for gaming purposes

but the OS is awesome)

As long as you have 384MB of RAM or more Id say with HE that you never have to turn anything off......I've tried and no performance difference at all. However with Pro Id say shut off RDC (Remote Desktop Connection). Turn down system restore to a minimal point. If you have 512MB of RAM set your paging file to 384MB (This tip works for HE and Pro as do the following). Make sure you stay defragged once a week or so on a friday night just set it to run when you go to bed. Once a month or every 2 months use Diskeeper 7 to run a boot time defrag (Which takes hours but is worth it). And once in a while run the MS Bootvis program

Doing that should keep it speedy.

digitalwanderer · Jul 7, 2002, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crash Override
I mean Pro I can understand ya tweakin but not Home.

How's your feelings about Corporate? (C'mon, this is me we're talking about here....

)

Zardon · Jul 7, 2002, 11:49 PM

I use corporate and do some manual tweaking, but I DONT run any tweaks (meaning purchased software) for the OS at all. I find over time they can even cause some issues (some certainly have on the SP leaked builds). I posted a tweaking guide in the technology section a little while ago, ill have a look for the thread later and maybe make it sticky again.

XP home and XP corp are virtually identical apart from some extra options in the Pro version. Pro and Corp is a better OS with better networking options and security facilities.

Yeti · Jul 8, 2002, 06:31 AM

Oh, you wanna know what the differences between home, pro, corp and enterprise are?

Home: only supports single processor systems... has limited features... and no server capability
Proffessional: Supports up to two processors... has an extended feature set ... and can handle up to eight connections as a server.
Corporate: Supports up to four processors... has a featureset for server apps... and can handle an unlimited(?) number of connections.
Enterprise: Supports in excess of four processors... features? dunno never tried it... and can handle unlimited server connections.

I do believe, however, that the versions can very easily be hacked to any other version (in regards to the number of server connections). I've never tried this and i'm doubtful that you could change the optimizations (for the number of processors), but it seems very realistic to give XP an unlimited server connection base.

So it seems that the only differences between the versions are the software packages that come with them. LOL

i still think Pro is probably best.

JavaFox · Jul 8, 2002, 06:38 AM

One thing people don't know is that Professional supports the Multilanguage User Interface. This feature is truly amazing, although the add-on to enable it cannot be downloaded legally or purchased. You need to have a site/volume-license to get it, andit is incredible, in my opinion. It allows you to totally switch the language of the OS. Totally. Menus, Start button, Help files -- everything.

I give it two paws up.

Zardon · Jul 8, 2002, 07:02 AM

I hope Digi will get "with it" and get that bloody 9x off his boxes someday, its kinda lame he is still running it

JavaFox · Jul 8, 2002, 07:16 AM

It's easily fixed, but this thing bugs me like no other XP feature:

This is Windows XP Professional, people! Why do I need an animated DOG to help me search for files?!!!?!!!!!?!!! I understand this feature being present in Home, but [SIZE=x-large]WHY IS IT IN A PRODUCT WITH "PROFESSIONAL" IN ITS NAME?!?!?!?![/SIZE]

Yeti · Jul 8, 2002, 07:29 AM

Well, i wouldn't call the people at my work "professionals" either. LOL

seriously... salespeople, and marketing... well they just are not too bright. I guess if they are "professional" then winxp pro is "professional".

Its just like that... but i think having to frag the dog is a minor price to pay for some of the better features in xp.

Necrosis · Jul 8, 2002, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JavaFox
It's easily fixed, but this thing bugs me like no other XP feature:

This is Windows XP Professional, people! Why do I need an animated DOG to help me search for files?!!!?!!!!!?!!! I understand this feature being present in Home, but [SIZE=x-large]WHY IS IT IN A PRODUCT WITH "PROFESSIONAL" IN ITS NAME?!?!?!?![/SIZE]

It's just like the annoying Paperclip in Office.

digitalwanderer · Jul 10, 2002, 08:54 AM

...but I'm going to go ahead and give XP a go as a dual-boot on Blue. (She's due for a low-level HD format soon anyways....

) Wish me luck, I can't tell if I'm nervous or aggravated.

Ryoko · Jul 10, 2002, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
...but I'm going to go ahead and give XP a go as a dual-boot on Blue. (She's due for a low-level HD format soon anyways.... ) Wish me luck, I can't tell if I'm nervous or aggravated.

everything'll be fine. just don't screw up

nah, the only problems you'll run into is if you're trying to do anything more than the average aol user on your computer.

digitalwanderer · Jul 10, 2002, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryoko
nah, the only problems you'll run into is if you're trying to do anything more than the average aol user on your computer. [/b]

Whew! Well as long as it'll run AOL 6.0 for me and my MSN program I guess I'll be ok...I don't really do much else with my boxes.......

Quote:

everything'll be fine. just don't screw up

SH*T! SH*T! SH*T! SH*T! SH*T! WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY SOMETHING BEFORE I STARTED THE INSTALL!?!? Screwing up is one of my specialties! How the hell else do you think I got so bloody good at fixing things?

Gods help me, Blue's getting ready to boot into XP for the first time. Here I go.....

Ryoko · Jul 10, 2002, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Gods help me, Blue's getting ready to boot into XP for the first time. Here I go.....

then you're already farther along in the install than i was when trying to install to the raid array...

~~Crash Override~~ · Jul 10, 2002, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Here I go.....

His computers were found a year later.......shattered and totally useless

digitalwanderer · Jul 10, 2002, 06:50 PM

I have dual boots on both boxes again, thank you very much.

I'm gonna go play with tweaking out Bubbles and see how this "modern" OS plays some games. I'm betting GTA3 ain't gonna be anywhere NEAR as smooth.....

digitalwanderer · Oct 22, 2002, 04:59 AM

...I have taken the plunge and installed XP on Bubbles. I started at 8pm and have already been thru 3 sets of drivers.

~~JAV~~ · Oct 22, 2002, 05:06 AM

[SIZE=large]TRAITOR[/SIZE]

Kelsenellenelvian · Oct 22, 2002, 05:40 AM

Ummm small problem aol doesn't work well with xp, runs fine on it, installs easily.

Phucks your system over if you try to uninstall!!!!

Smoothdrive · Oct 22, 2002, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryoko
then you're already farther along in the install than i was when trying to install to the raid array...

Don't tell me you couldn't get the array installed....what controller do you have ?

I got an onboard promise and was no trouble at all.

Haven't found bad things about XP yet..(well maybe the limited support for older games) it's just some getting used to the new interface..i'm not switching to old style..i like the new style.

Kelsenellenelvian · Oct 22, 2002, 08:51 AM

I also am runiing promise ide controller cards did you have them in during install??? If not then this is what i did: after one install when then card wasn't in xp would'nt recognize my other drives, so I started a boot install and went as far to the point where you partition drives there it found the drives, I partitioned them there and after partitioning I stopped install, cold-booted and violla' the drives had been registered in the boot sector and registry.

Smoothdrive · Oct 22, 2002, 11:08 AM

euhm..if you're not gonna stripe them why use an array controller ??

Or am i not understanding your method ?? taking out the card and installing XP, than installing the card ?

UberLord · Oct 22, 2002, 12:34 PM

Yessss - soon your journey to the Dark Side will be complete. I feel your hatred running through you ..... Come, take your anger and strike Win98 down with all your might!

Smoothdrive · Oct 22, 2002, 01:06 PM

NO !!

I'll never join you UBER VADER !!

UberLord · Oct 22, 2002, 01:30 PM

/me strokes a Win98 CD

You want this ....... yes?

Jul 7, 2002, 01:54 PM	#1
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	If, (and I bloody mean "if"!), I were to be silly enough to try installing XP again before SP1... ....what would the best online tweak guides be? (For a total newb with a very negative attitude towards XP preferably...) __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jul 7, 2002, 04:46 PM	#3
DallasStar Junior Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wave Existence Posts: 2,065 Rep Power: 0	Windows XP is composed of many different "services" (most of which you don't need and will never need). You can easily disable and enable certain services by going to: Start-->Run-->"services.msc" and then rightclicking your desired service and enabling/disabling it. HERE: http://www.blkviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm is a guide that tells you what to enable/disable and what the effects are. I'd recommend you steer clear of the "gaming tweaks" and "super tweaks" and simply follow the "safe tweaks" path for now. Once you become comfortable with this, visit this page: http://www.blkviper.com/WinXP/service411.htm This page explains in detail what every service does and can allow you to disable more tweaks based on what you do/don't use Windows for. For example, you would disable the "server" service if your computer is not a server etc.... I did these and now I like XP better than 2k and 98 both After doing all these tweaks, download this app: http://www.totalidea.de/frameset-tweakxp.htm The FIRST THING you should do with this app is to click on "Hardware Tweaks" and then choose your CPU and then "open optimization wizard" and then "tweak my system now". Then, go to "Cache Optimization" (in the left menu) and choose the appropriate options. That should be all you need to do to tweak your system . __________________ "A picture of my existence... would show a useless wooden stake covered in snow... stuck loosely at a slant in the ground in a ploughed field on the edge of a vast open plain on a dark winter night." --- Franz Kafka

Jul 7, 2002, 07:19 PM	#6
DallasStar Junior Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wave Existence Posts: 2,065 Rep Power: 0	LOL I pity you guys for having had to work so hard @digital: Give XP another proper chance. You say you've tweaked 98SE to the bone, so why not do that to XP? Just do it. You'll be happier without that crappy OS that "slows down over time" and then surprises you when you format your harddrive and reinstall and makes you think that you forgot what you did to tweak it __________________ "A picture of my existence... would show a useless wooden stake covered in snow... stuck loosely at a slant in the ground in a ploughed field on the edge of a vast open plain on a dark winter night." --- Franz Kafka

Jul 8, 2002, 06:31 AM	#10
Yeti DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 662 Rep Power: 0	Oh, you wanna know what the differences between home, pro, corp and enterprise are? Home: only supports single processor systems... has limited features... and no server capability Proffessional: Supports up to two processors... has an extended feature set ... and can handle up to eight connections as a server. Corporate: Supports up to four processors... has a featureset for server apps... and can handle an unlimited(?) number of connections. Enterprise: Supports in excess of four processors... features? dunno never tried it... and can handle unlimited server connections. I do believe, however, that the versions can very easily be hacked to any other version (in regards to the number of server connections). I've never tried this and i'm doubtful that you could change the optimizations (for the number of processors), but it seems very realistic to give XP an unlimited server connection base. So it seems that the only differences between the versions are the software packages that come with them. LOL i still think Pro is probably best. __________________ --Oh lord not again

Jul 8, 2002, 07:16 AM	#13
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	MY Biggest Complaint With XP Professional It's easily fixed, but this thing bugs me like no other XP feature: This is Windows XP Professional, people! Why do I need an animated DOG to help me search for files?!!!?!!!!!?!!! I understand this feature being present in Home, but [SIZE=x-large]WHY IS IT IN A PRODUCT WITH "PROFESSIONAL" IN ITS NAME?!?!?!?![/SIZE]

Jul 7, 2002, 10:07 PM	#7
~~Crash Override~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,448 Rep Power: 0	I know this is gonna get a boo hiss reply but why bother tweaking xp? I mean Pro I can understand ya tweakin but not Home. For me my home edition runs like a dream on my 1.4 Tbird with 512MB of PC-133 (Not to say im not upgrading for gaming purposes but the OS is awesome) As long as you have 384MB of RAM or more Id say with HE that you never have to turn anything off......I've tried and no performance difference at all. However with Pro Id say shut off RDC (Remote Desktop Connection). Turn down system restore to a minimal point. If you have 512MB of RAM set your paging file to 384MB (This tip works for HE and Pro as do the following). Make sure you stay defragged once a week or so on a friday night just set it to run when you go to bed. Once a month or every 2 months use Diskeeper 7 to run a boot time defrag (Which takes hours but is worth it). And once in a while run the MS Bootvis program Doing that should keep it speedy.

Jul 7, 2002, 11:49 PM	#9
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	I use corporate and do some manual tweaking, but I DONT run any tweaks (meaning purchased software) for the OS at all. I find over time they can even cause some issues (some certainly have on the SP leaked builds). I posted a tweaking guide in the technology section a little while ago, ill have a look for the thread later and maybe make it sticky again. XP home and XP corp are virtually identical apart from some extra options in the Pro version. Pro and Corp is a better OS with better networking options and security facilities.

Jul 8, 2002, 06:38 AM	#11
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	One thing people don't know is that Professional supports the Multilanguage User Interface. This feature is truly amazing, although the add-on to enable it cannot be downloaded legally or purchased. You need to have a site/volume-license to get it, andit is incredible, in my opinion. It allows you to totally switch the language of the OS. Totally. Menus, Start button, Help files -- everything. I give it two paws up.

Jul 8, 2002, 07:02 AM	#12
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	I hope Digi will get "with it" and get that bloody 9x off his boxes someday, its kinda lame he is still running it

Jul 8, 2002, 07:29 AM	#14
Yeti DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 662 Rep Power: 0	Well, i wouldn't call the people at my work "professionals" either. LOL seriously... salespeople, and marketing... well they just are not too bright. I guess if they are "professional" then winxp pro is "professional". Its just like that... but i think having to frag the dog is a minor price to pay for some of the better features in xp. __________________ --Oh lord not again

Jul 10, 2002, 08:54 AM	Thread Starter #16
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	I'm a bleeding idiot... ...but I'm going to go ahead and give XP a go as a dual-boot on Blue. (She's due for a low-level HD format soon anyways.... ) Wish me luck, I can't tell if I'm nervous or aggravated. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jul 10, 2002, 06:50 PM	Thread Starter #21
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	<OBSCENE HAND GESTURE REMOVED BY SUBJECT CENSOR 9AEF> I have dual boots on both boxes again, thank you very much. I'm gonna go play with tweaking out Bubbles and see how this "modern" OS plays some games. I'm betting GTA3 ain't gonna be anywhere NEAR as smooth..... __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Oct 22, 2002, 04:59 AM	Thread Starter #22
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	And once again... ...I have taken the plunge and installed XP on Bubbles. I started at 8pm and have already been thru 3 sets of drivers. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Oct 22, 2002, 05:06 AM	#23
~~JAV~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: California, USA Posts: 283 Rep Power: 0	[SIZE=large]TRAITOR[/SIZE]

Oct 22, 2002, 05:40 AM	#24
Kelsenellenelvian Master of my own Destiny Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: EverDawn Kingdom,TruEarth Posts: 1,394 Rep Power: 0	Ummm small problem aol doesn't work well with xp, runs fine on it, installs easily. Phucks your system over if you try to uninstall!!!! __________________ [color=#0000ff] Download Windows Post-Install Wizard v4.3.8 and WPI Lite v1.2 Here [/color][color=red][color=blue][/color][/color]

Oct 22, 2002, 08:51 AM	#26
Kelsenellenelvian Master of my own Destiny Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: EverDawn Kingdom,TruEarth Posts: 1,394 Rep Power: 0	I also am runiing promise ide controller cards did you have them in during install??? If not then this is what i did: after one install when then card wasn't in xp would'nt recognize my other drives, so I started a boot install and went as far to the point where you partition drives there it found the drives, I partitioned them there and after partitioning I stopped install, cold-booted and violla' the drives had been registered in the boot sector and registry. __________________ [color=#0000ff] Download Windows Post-Install Wizard v4.3.8 and WPI Lite v1.2 Here [/color][color=red][color=blue][/color][/color]

Oct 22, 2002, 11:08 AM	#27
Smoothdrive Foolish Genius Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 455 Rep Power: 0	euhm..if you're not gonna stripe them why use an array controller ?? Or am i not understanding your method ?? taking out the card and installing XP, than installing the card ? __________________ GA-7VRXP, AMD2000+, 256MB PC-2700 DDR, Radeon 8500LE, 2x Maxtor 740 (40GB) stripe set, AGNeovo X-150.

Oct 22, 2002, 12:34 PM	#28
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	Yessss - soon your journey to the Dark Side will be complete. I feel your hatred running through you ..... Come, take your anger and strike Win98 down with all your might! __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Oct 22, 2002, 01:06 PM	#29
Smoothdrive Foolish Genius Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 455 Rep Power: 0	NO !! I'll never join you UBER VADER !! __________________ GA-7VRXP, AMD2000+, 256MB PC-2700 DDR, Radeon 8500LE, 2x Maxtor 740 (40GB) stripe set, AGNeovo X-150.

Oct 22, 2002, 01:30 PM	#30
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	/me strokes a Win98 CD You want this ....... yes? __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts