Internet Explorer is the best browser in the world

Vikingod · Jul 27, 2004, 05:10 PM

I like foxfire because it is fast, but there are a few bugs and some of the extentions and whatnot can cause weird problems, but really open the browser to customization. IE is good because its the most accepted and the windows auto update feature. I basically use the two of them whenever the situation requires. Lets face it, everything has problems, but if you use them all and not be a "fan" of any, you have far more access and versatility, right?

krazy1 · Jul 27, 2004, 05:21 PM

I am stuck using both IE & Firefox. Due to some things here at work I have to use IE for Intranet apps. But when I have to go to the internet I use Firefox. I have not run across many sites that displayed funny but I have hit a few. I really am starting to like Firefox with alot of it's plug-ins. I love the adblock for some of the sites I go to that are just tons of ads(Not here at DH, I leave them alone here

). IE will never totally disapear from my PC but it has taken a back burner.

Zardon · Jul 27, 2004, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by JLP
I would never trust my money to any bank that only works with insecure IE. And the coders of all these pages are then brain dead if they don't know how to code properly.

There are no problems with IE and secure sites if you have the browser set right and the most recent patches applied - people seem to be under this impression that IE is just an "open hole app" to every port and script kiddie. perhaps its different in slovenia but in most european countries banks NEED to make sure the majority of users have access to their banking. can you imaging some grannie who has just purchased a computer who has no idea how to customise it going to her new bank account and not being able to access it with the already installed internet explorer to get a response such as "go install firefox!". Thats a real world situation.

There are points for your argument but I feel sometimes people just jump on a bandwagon and make matters seem far worse than it actually is.

swimtech · Jul 27, 2004, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by Zardon
There are no problems with IE and secure sites if you have the browser set right and the most recent patches applied - people seem to be under this impression that IE is just an "open hole app" to every port and script kiddie. perhaps its different in slovenia but in most european countries banks NEED to make sure the majority of users have access to their banking. can you imaging some grannie who has just purchased a computer who has no idea how to customise it going to her new bank account and not being able to access it with the already installed internet explorer to get a response such as "go install firefox!". Thats a real world situation.

There are points for your argument but I feel sometimes people just jump on a bandwagon and make matters seem far worse than it actually is.

Amen, I do my banking online and have never had a problem.

Not that I haven't tried Firefox and Mozilla (Mozilla recently on the home unit below) but have always come back to IE for ease of use and

because it's pretty, and fast.

Zardon · Jul 27, 2004, 06:44 PM

Id like to add, I dont just use IE. I use firefox, mozilla and opera to various extents. I have to as I frequently help with designing sites etc and i need to check how a page is displaying.

IE is by far the browser I would stick with if I had one choice, why? compatibility, nothing else.

PangingJr · Jul 27, 2004, 08:22 PM

i've used Opera and Mozilla Suite for years, just began to use Firefox and i think i like it, i'm glad this site is working so well with both Mozilla and Opera, i can really put the IE rests in peace.lol.
i also understand what you're saying about the IE and its compatibility very well.

Vikingod · Jul 27, 2004, 08:28 PM

About the banking thing. I work at a bank, and from working in the field, the problems had by internet banking are almost never due to the use of IE. In fact I can't think of one time that the problem was due to IE. If there is a problem, it ussually is due to problems with the server being used by the bank or, I hate to say, generates internally within the bank.

Zardon · Jul 27, 2004, 08:48 PM

point proved then, thanks

Vikingod · Jul 27, 2004, 08:58 PM

no problem.

caqde · Jul 30, 2004, 08:34 PM

Actually JLP does have a point about security. There has been news posts about how IE doesn't implement SSL correctly(back in 2002 I believe..). They implement it only to the point where the site will work but where SSL doesn't even do what it should do. To get to the point in IE SSL isn't secure at all or should I say SSL is pointless. I don't remember if I read anywhere about Microsoft fixing this or not. So I don't know if this is still true about IE or not about current versions of IE6.

IE speed: loadtime- Well it is the GUI of windows (I hope it loads faster since it is already loaded) nuff said. webpage- I don't know how it could be quicker unless your talking about the way it asks for data from pages which is in a different order.

WindowsUpdate: umm well I never understood the webpage idea with Microsoft updates. I believe this should be a program not a webpage kind of like how many Linux distrobutions implement updates, or Symantec's liveupdate. A seperate program seems to be a better idea to me because you could add many nice features to it but oh well it'll probably never happen.

Interface: I personally don't like IE's interface. But with Mozilla if you have something you want implemented go to Mozilla's site and Ask For It don't whine just ask them to implement it. They might do it as long as you make a good sales pitch. And who knows maybe some of the features you want are just not turned on by default.

Webpagestuff: There is a plug-in for Mozilla that allows it to use ActiveX. Although it is very buggy and usually doesn't work to well. But it is worth a try for ActiveX pages.

Stabilty: umm well Mozilla crashes? who, what, when, where, how? I use nightly builds and I usually can't get this thing to crash. Well unless I get a really bad build but even then It's a nightly build. I did have problems with Java but that is not Mozilla that is sun. But since I started using Java 1.5B2 everything is fine. (yes Beta)

Well I think that covers everything I want to cover now. Have a nice day.

RVachon · Jul 30, 2004, 08:57 PM

I'm really surprised no one mentioned Avant Browser. It's just as customizable as FF, has tabbed broswing, Popup blocker, but still built on IE platform.

http://www.avantbrowser.com

Zelig · Jul 30, 2004, 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by RVachon
I'm really surprised no one mentioned Avant Browser. It's just as customizable as FF, has tabbed broswing, Popup blocker, but still built on IE platform.

http://www.avantbrowser.com

But these aren't even really browsers, they're just add-ons for IE...

RVachon · Jul 31, 2004, 12:46 AM

Yea, that's what I said didn't I?

People are saying that FF has this and that, and what I'm saying is that avant browser has everything FF has, plus the universal acceptance.

Zelig · Jul 31, 2004, 12:56 AM

Yeah, but IMO being based on IE is a bad thing, since you're stuck with any of the underlying security problems, slow rendering, and no proper pipelining support.

SaberZ · Aug 7, 2004, 02:51 AM

I haven't used IE as my primary browser for over 3-4 years. Only use it once in awhile for those few webpages that don't quite work right.

And Zardon, each image you use, gets freakier and cooler with each change

Zelig · Aug 7, 2004, 03:01 AM

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Originally posted by SaberZ
And Zardon, each image you use, gets freakier and cooler with each change

Yeah, I love his current avatar.

SaberZ · Aug 7, 2004, 04:07 PM

Hell yea, has good taste

matches Avatar and sig perfectly every change.

Jul 27, 2004, 05:21 PM	#32
krazy1 Live from the Dungeon Join Date: May 2003 Location: Between the SubWoofers Posts: 1,395 Rep Power: 0	I am stuck using both IE & Firefox. Due to some things here at work I have to use IE for Intranet apps. But when I have to go to the internet I use Firefox. I have not run across many sites that displayed funny but I have hit a few. I really am starting to like Firefox with alot of it's plug-ins. I love the adblock for some of the sites I go to that are just tons of ads(Not here at DH, I leave them alone here ). IE will never totally disapear from my PC but it has taken a back burner. __________________

Jul 30, 2004, 08:34 PM	#40
caqde HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: US, IL Posts: 505 Rep Power: 66 System Specs	Actually JLP does have a point about security. There has been news posts about how IE doesn't implement SSL correctly(back in 2002 I believe..). They implement it only to the point where the site will work but where SSL doesn't even do what it should do. To get to the point in IE SSL isn't secure at all or should I say SSL is pointless. I don't remember if I read anywhere about Microsoft fixing this or not. So I don't know if this is still true about IE or not about current versions of IE6. IE speed: loadtime- Well it is the GUI of windows (I hope it loads faster since it is already loaded) nuff said. webpage- I don't know how it could be quicker unless your talking about the way it asks for data from pages which is in a different order. WindowsUpdate: umm well I never understood the webpage idea with Microsoft updates. I believe this should be a program not a webpage kind of like how many Linux distrobutions implement updates, or Symantec's liveupdate. A seperate program seems to be a better idea to me because you could add many nice features to it but oh well it'll probably never happen. Interface: I personally don't like IE's interface. But with Mozilla if you have something you want implemented go to Mozilla's site and Ask For It don't whine just ask them to implement it. They might do it as long as you make a good sales pitch. And who knows maybe some of the features you want are just not turned on by default. Webpagestuff: There is a plug-in for Mozilla that allows it to use ActiveX. Although it is very buggy and usually doesn't work to well. But it is worth a try for ActiveX pages. Stabilty: umm well Mozilla crashes? who, what, when, where, how? I use nightly builds and I usually can't get this thing to crash. Well unless I get a really bad build but even then It's a nightly build. I did have problems with Java but that is not Mozilla that is sun. But since I started using Java 1.5B2 everything is fine. (yes Beta) Well I think that covers everything I want to cover now. Have a nice day. __________________ AMD Phenom II X4 925 AM3/ Giga-byte MA790XT-UD4P XFX HD5770 1GB / 2x8GB of Geil DDR3 12800 10-10-10-28 Samsung SH-S182D DVD-RW drive / Sony Optiarc BD-5300S BD-RW drive Western Digital WD1501FASS(Primary)/Western Digital 15EADS(Secondary)/Western Digital 7500AACS(Secondary)/Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320gb(Secondary) Antec TP-550 / CoolerMaster CMStacker Sound Blaster X-FI Titanium Fatal1ty Professional / Creative Inspire 6600 6.1 speakers Samsugn T200HD 20" LCD Monitor / Logitech Internet 350 Black Keyboard Logitech MX510 Mouse

Jul 30, 2004, 08:57 PM	#41
RVachon Genuine Crazy Canuck Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hamilton, ON Canada Posts: 208 Rep Power: 0	I'm really surprised no one mentioned Avant Browser. It's just as customizable as FF, has tabbed broswing, Popup blocker, but still built on IE platform. http://www.avantbrowser.com __________________ AMD 64 3500+ Winnie \| MSI Neo4 Platinum \| 1 GB Corsair TwinX1024 PC3200 Dual Channel \| ATI RADEON x850XT \| 200 GB WD SATA150 8 MB Buffer 7200 RPM \| Win XP Pro SP2 \|\|

Jul 31, 2004, 12:46 AM	#43
RVachon Genuine Crazy Canuck Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hamilton, ON Canada Posts: 208 Rep Power: 0	Yea, that's what I said didn't I? People are saying that FF has this and that, and what I'm saying is that avant browser has everything FF has, plus the universal acceptance. __________________ AMD 64 3500+ Winnie \| MSI Neo4 Platinum \| 1 GB Corsair TwinX1024 PC3200 Dual Channel \| ATI RADEON x850XT \| 200 GB WD SATA150 8 MB Buffer 7200 RPM \| Win XP Pro SP2 \|\|

Aug 7, 2004, 02:51 AM	#45
SaberZ -Android Fanatic- Join Date: May 2003 Location: North Jersey Posts: 454 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	I haven't used IE as my primary browser for over 3-4 years. Only use it once in awhile for those few webpages that don't quite work right. And Zardon, each image you use, gets freakier and cooler with each change __________________ SaberZ- -Vostro 1500 w/Windows 7 x64 -Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4ghz (Penryn) -320GB WD Scorpio 7200 RPM HDD -4GB Patriot DDR2 800 (2x2GB) -Nvidia 8600M GT 256

Jul 27, 2004, 05:10 PM	#31
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,197 Rep Power: 112 System Specs	I like foxfire because it is fast, but there are a few bugs and some of the extentions and whatnot can cause weird problems, but really open the browser to customization. IE is good because its the most accepted and the windows auto update feature. I basically use the two of them whenever the situation requires. Lets face it, everything has problems, but if you use them all and not be a "fan" of any, you have far more access and versatility, right?

Jul 27, 2004, 06:44 PM	Thread Starter #35
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Id like to add, I dont just use IE. I use firefox, mozilla and opera to various extents. I have to as I frequently help with designing sites etc and i need to check how a page is displaying. IE is by far the browser I would stick with if I had one choice, why? compatibility, nothing else.

Jul 27, 2004, 08:22 PM	#36
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	i've used Opera and Mozilla Suite for years, just began to use Firefox and i think i like it, i'm glad this site is working so well with both Mozilla and Opera, i can really put the IE rests in peace.lol. i also understand what you're saying about the IE and its compatibility very well.

Jul 27, 2004, 08:28 PM	#37
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,197 Rep Power: 112 System Specs	About the banking thing. I work at a bank, and from working in the field, the problems had by internet banking are almost never due to the use of IE. In fact I can't think of one time that the problem was due to IE. If there is a problem, it ussually is due to problems with the server being used by the bank or, I hate to say, generates internally within the bank.

Jul 27, 2004, 08:48 PM	Thread Starter #38
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	point proved then, thanks

Jul 27, 2004, 08:58 PM	#39
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,197 Rep Power: 112 System Specs	no problem.

Jul 31, 2004, 12:56 AM	#44
Zelig HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,187 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Yeah, but IMO being based on IE is a bad thing, since you're stuck with any of the underlying security problems, slow rendering, and no proper pipelining support.

Aug 7, 2004, 04:07 PM	#47
SaberZ -Android Fanatic- Join Date: May 2003 Location: North Jersey Posts: 454 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	Hell yea, has good taste matches Avatar and sig perfectly every change. __________________ SaberZ- -Vostro 1500 w/Windows 7 x64 -Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4ghz (Penryn) -320GB WD Scorpio 7200 RPM HDD -4GB Patriot DDR2 800 (2x2GB) -Nvidia 8600M GT 256