yet another XP quirk

Vampyromaniac · Aug 30, 2004, 09:19 AM

well what is it now, you might ask.

the Task Manager is supposed to have a tray icon, that shows CPU usage right?
well, mine doesn't seem to want to show up most of the time. each time I open Task Manager, the icon is there in the tray only once in a while. I have no idea what is causing this, is it normal for XP?

tried Google, no help found about this.

OK, just in case this matters:
I have the Windows Classic look running, not the "Luna" stuff.
I have "hide inactive icons" on, and have tried "always show" and "hide when inactive" for the task manager icon

thanks for any ideas

**dj_stick** · Aug 30, 2004, 10:53 AM

it should only be there when the task manager program is open, as soon as you close it it disapears

RIV@NVX · Aug 30, 2004, 11:09 AM

Most probably just a stupid random bug, that occasionally happens in Windows... I once had soundcard device names screwed up, and nothing but reinstalling Windows helped.

PangingJr · Aug 30, 2004, 01:53 PM

with the Task Manager icon. XP displays a notification icon when an event
occurs. after a short time, Windows puts the icon in the background to simplify that area.
if you check "hide inactive icons" then the XP will do that,
i never have this problem maybe becos i always uncheck this option, so try with the option uncheck.

mkk · Aug 30, 2004, 02:11 PM

I've noticed this phenomenon many times. Here it seems that if one starts task manager when windows is relatively freshly started then it will stay in the tray when minimised, with the "hide when minimized" option ticked. And it will stay there forever. But if one quits the task manager after having the system on a long while and then tries to do the same then it very rarely shows up in the tray at all. If you like to have it there most of the time, try putting a link to it in the startup folder. (C:\WINDOWS\system32\taskmgr.exe)

Edit: Hmm, now even a system reboot did not help. It always did before so maybe something has changed with SP2, or there is some other factor at play.

Vampyromaniac · Aug 31, 2004, 05:13 AM

first, let me clarify what is going on again.
I know the icon is supposed to be there while task manager is running, and gone when you close it.
The problem is, most of the time I start Task Manager, and there is no icon while it is running.
I have two separate partitions of XP right now (full installs, not Ghosted), and they both have the problem.
And I forgot to mention, both are SP1.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Net

after a short time, Windows puts the icon in the background to simplify that area.
if you check "hide inactive icons" then the XP will do that

Yes, I know this too, but the icon doesn't show up to begin with, and it's not there when I click the << to reveal hidden icons.
I'll test with "Hide inactive icons" disabled, and get back to you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkk

I've noticed this phenomenon many times. Here it seems that if one starts task manager when windows is relatively freshly started then it will stay in the tray when minimised, with the "hide when minimized" option ticked. And it will stay there forever. But if one quits the task manager after having the system on a long while and then tries to do the same then it very rarely shows up in the tray at all. If you like to have it there most of the time, try putting a link to it in the startup folder. (C:\WINDOWS\system32\taskmgr.exe)

I'll try experimenting with what you said, and see. At least I know I'm not the only one

I don't need the thing there most of the time, I just like to be able to Minimize it to the tray, but without the icon there, I can't.

Thanks for the replies, guys

Vampyromaniac · Aug 31, 2004, 08:42 AM

so I've disabled the Hide Inactive Icons option, been through several reboots since, but still doesn't work right most of the time.

also, it's totally unpredictable as far as when it will work. did a reboot, the TM icon showed, then closed it after a while, and opened again, no icon. reboot, opened, no icon. two more fresh boots, no icon.

funny thing, I tried just now three times, no icon. opened an IE window, tried again, icon showed up. closed TM, opened again, no icon. closed/opened again, icon showed. opened/closed again a few times: no, yes, no, no, no, yes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yes, no.....

it works very seldom, and at random times.

does it work normally for everyone else?

PangingJr · Aug 31, 2004, 09:35 AM

there's a problem like this in the past, many ppls had this prob, actually.
i just never read it before. will PM you the info then you'll have to check it out,
i've not read it yet, can't do it, very long read but maybe there is a solution there. let us know..

mkk · Sep 2, 2004, 02:41 AM

It has improved here, so that it at least always shows up properly at windows startup. Seems to show up in the tray much more oftenly at other times as well, but still not quite 100%... Unfortunately I cannot say exactly what did it, but the improvement had something to do with my going over the system processes thoroughly and disabling everything I didn't need to have running or even on manual so to let it run when asked for by something else. I made at least a dozen changes and I'm not feeling like backtracking all of them to see if there was a single one that made the difference, but just in case anyone could use my current rules for the windows processes as a comparison I made a screenshot-list of them. I marked the non-windows processes by a thin strike-through line.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...s_sept_02b.png

Just a note. I wouldn't recommend anyone to follow that setup blindly, as quite a few things that people could use are disabled.

Vampyromaniac · Sep 2, 2004, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Net

there's a problem like this in the past, many ppls had this prob, actually.
i just never read it before. will PM you the info then you'll have to check it out,
i've not read it yet, can't do it, very long read but maybe there is a solution there. let us know..

thank, mate. I'll read through all that, and see if I can find anything, and let you know

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkk

It has improved here, so that it at least always shows up properly at windows startup. Seems to show up in the tray much more oftenly at other times as well, but still not quite 100%... Unfortunately I cannot say exactly what did it, but the improvement had something to do with my going over the system processes thoroughly and disabling everything I didn't need to have running or even on manual so to let it run when asked for by something else. I made at least a dozen changes and I'm not feeling like backtracking all of them to see if there was a single one that made the difference, but just in case anyone could use my current rules for the windows processes as a comparison I made a screenshot-list of them. I marked the non-windows processes by a thin strike-through line.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...s_sept_02b.png

Just a note. I wouldn't recommend anyone to follow that setup blindly, as quite a few things that people could use are disabled.

yeah, I've got my Services tweaked a bit, too. Different amounts on the two boot partitions, I'll post them later.
I'm thinking this might be linked to the Themes service

pr0digal jenius · Sep 2, 2004, 06:51 AM

vampy...do you happen to have the hacked uxtheme.dll file or the original one?

if you have the hacked one it may idneed be the themes as you said....if not, I guess read what Net sent you and hope the PC Gods are in a forgiving mood

Vampyromaniac · Sep 2, 2004, 07:30 AM

hehe
no, I have done any skinning or theme-ing, running the Windows Classis scheme, and everything's original.

PangingJr · Sep 2, 2004, 04:19 PM

find anything in those msges that i sent?

Vampyromaniac · Sep 3, 2004, 07:09 AM

boy, there's a lot to read, I have to wait until tomorrow, I will have time then

PangingJr · Sep 3, 2004, 07:41 AM

okay, i've to understand the prob and if it's too complicate to resolve this prob, then i'll try to get a workaround for it..

i'll repeat these so i can get the pic, correct me...... you open task manager by hitting < Ctrl -Shift- Esc > or < Ctrl - Alt - Del >
the TM opens in normal window, now at the point you see the TM button on task bar ?... But you don't see its icon on system tray (task bar's notification area - by the windows clock) ?

and the problem is .... when you hit the TM's minimize box, it won't minimize to task bar nor the notification area.. no matter what you have tried.. the only way to re-open the TM is to hit those keys again ??
and you want to see its icon to show either on the task bar or by the clock so you can reopen it with your mouse??.

Vampyromaniac · Sep 3, 2004, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Net

i'll repeat these so i can get the pic, correct me...... you open task manager by hitting < Ctrl -Shift- Esc > or < Ctrl - Alt - Del >
the TM opens in normal window, now at the point you see the TM button on task bar ?... But you don't see its icon on system tray (task bar's notification area - by the windows clock) ?

correct. TM taskbar button is there, but TM systray icon is not there most of the times I start TM

Quote:

and the problem is .... when you hit the TM's minimize box, it won't minimize to task bar nor the notification area.. no matter what you have tried.. the only way to re-open the TM is to hit those keys again ??
and you want to see its icon to show either on the task bar or by the clock so you can reopen it with your mouse??.

it will minimize to the taskbar if I don't have the Hide When Minimized option checked, but not to the systray when I do have the box checked.
I want it in the systray, so I can get to it without "starting" it again, and I don't want the taskbar button there when it's minimized.

PangingJr · Sep 3, 2004, 08:31 AM

TM's icon in the system tray... sometimes show, manytime it won't show... randomly ? ....annoyance ?
i can imagine that. hmm how to fix this.. later.

Vampyromaniac · Sep 3, 2004, 08:46 AM

yes when I start TM, most of the time it doesn't show. only once in maybe 5-15 times launching TM, it will show. it's completely random.

PangingJr · Sep 3, 2004, 09:38 PM

...not sure but i think this'is current bug, no workaround.
only if you don't mind installing a 3rd party program like ...
4t Tray Minimizer (Free) - http://www.4t-niagara.com/tray.html

or something like PS Tray Factory (Not free) - http://www.pssoftlab.com/

i've tested the 4t Tray Minimizer, its works okay on XP's classic theme, but not so good on the luna.
( you use classic theme anyway ).
i'm still running a test system and i'll have to start over anyway,
so this up to you, if you like to use and test the program.

Vampyromaniac · Sep 3, 2004, 09:50 PM

thanks, I'll give it a shot if I don't find anything in your link

PangingJr · Sep 3, 2004, 10:55 PM

hope you find some good info about this there

... MS knows about this problem as i saw when i read a couple of msges on very first posted ones..

Nacht · Sep 3, 2004, 11:10 PM

well now my task manager doesnt show who is running each process! whats with that!?!?

PangingJr · Sep 4, 2004, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nacht

well now my task manager doesnt show who is running each process! whats with that!?!?

i'd reinstall windows
or
maybe just reformat it might be viruses...

mkk · Sep 4, 2004, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nacht

well now my task manager doesnt show who is running each
process! whats with that!?!?

Go to _view -> _select columns. A quick tip while you're there, having both Memory Usage and Peak Memory Usage can be interesting for to see how much RAM an application has used as most since it was last started.

PangingJr · Sep 5, 2004, 07:30 AM

hmm, the Columns views option shoukl not be changed itself from the default setting, unless you changed it yourself.
but who knows maybe it do that, i just never seen it before..

Vampyromaniac · Sep 5, 2004, 08:16 PM

I think he means the column is there, but the names are missing... I've seen it before too on XP

eggs420 · Sep 5, 2004, 08:26 PM

Vampy: There is a tweak someplace to allow programs more time to get their stuff going in the systray..I can't find it for the life of me though as I formatted a few months ago and didn't fix it again..I have this problem with NetPerSec and a few other apps that just don't appear at all..One stupid reg key. I'm going to dig around and try to find it and if I do I'll let you know. It seems to happen with any 'animated' systray such as bandwidth meters and such -- But it NEVER happens with my network connection icons. Hmpf.

Vampyromaniac · Sep 5, 2004, 08:28 PM

thank bud, hope you find it

eggs420 · Sep 5, 2004, 09:04 PM

Try running 'systray' when you don't have the icon..win2k trick to restore systray icons. This is sort of the same deal (in the end) as explorer.exe crashing and icons not being restored. Also, does it mostly happen when you are checking on some 99% cpu process? Normally high cpu usage causes some apps to give up on inserting their systray icon, and unless the app is written to check every X minutes to make sure it's still in the tray, it won't reappear but will remain running in the background. I still can't find what I was looking for...I'm pretty sure there is a reg key to change how long apps will attempt systray insertation for.

There are a few apps that will monitor systray icons and fix them...Might be worth a shot if it's that annoying or if you notice it with many icons..http://www.pssoftlab.com/ is the first I came across, which actually looks decent and people claim it totally restores the icons after explorer crashes. I'll poke around a bit more for the reg key I was thinking of, but it may have even been from windows 98 or something.

PangingJr · Sep 5, 2004, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vampyromaniac

I think he means the column is there, but the names are missing... I've seen it before too on XP

you mean some of the "Processes" under the "Image Name" column are missing ?
and ..becos you running some other programs but you don't see it in the TM ?..
if so, then something is dreadfully wrong.... a little confused there.. computer virus??

as for missing icons in notification...
if others icons (not the TM icon) are missing upon boot then the main cause is Auto-Logon, to aid in preventing this behavior you will need to disable the SSDP and uPNPhost services.

Aug 30, 2004, 09:19 AM	#1
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	yet another XP quirk well what is it now, you might ask. the Task Manager is supposed to have a tray icon, that shows CPU usage right? well, mine doesn't seem to want to show up most of the time. each time I open Task Manager, the icon is there in the tray only once in a while. I have no idea what is causing this, is it normal for XP? tried Google, no help found about this. OK, just in case this matters: I have the Windows Classic look running, not the "Luna" stuff. I have "hide inactive icons" on, and have tried "always show" and "hide when inactive" for the task manager icon thanks for any ideas __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Aug 30, 2004, 02:11 PM	#5
mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,495 Rep Power: 132 System Specs	I've noticed this phenomenon many times. Here it seems that if one starts task manager when windows is relatively freshly started then it will stay in the tray when minimised, with the "hide when minimized" option ticked. And it will stay there forever. But if one quits the task manager after having the system on a long while and then tries to do the same then it very rarely shows up in the tray at all. If you like to have it there most of the time, try putting a link to it in the startup folder. (C:\WINDOWS\system32\taskmgr.exe) Edit: Hmm, now even a system reboot did not help. It always did before so maybe something has changed with SP2, or there is some other factor at play. Last edited by mkk; Aug 30, 2004 at 02:39 PM.

Aug 31, 2004, 08:42 AM	Thread Starter #7
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	so I've disabled the Hide Inactive Icons option, been through several reboots since, but still doesn't work right most of the time. also, it's totally unpredictable as far as when it will work. did a reboot, the TM icon showed, then closed it after a while, and opened again, no icon. reboot, opened, no icon. two more fresh boots, no icon. funny thing, I tried just now three times, no icon. opened an IE window, tried again, icon showed up. closed TM, opened again, no icon. closed/opened again, icon showed. opened/closed again a few times: no, yes, no, no, no, yes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yes, no..... it works very seldom, and at random times. does it work normally for everyone else? __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Sep 2, 2004, 07:30 AM	Thread Starter #12
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	hehe no, I have done any skinning or theme-ing, running the Windows Classis scheme, and everything's original. __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Sep 3, 2004, 07:09 AM	Thread Starter #14
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	boy, there's a lot to read, I have to wait until tomorrow, I will have time then __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Aug 30, 2004, 11:09 AM	#3
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Most probably just a stupid random bug, that occasionally happens in Windows... I once had soundcard device names screwed up, and nothing but reinstalling Windows helped.

Aug 30, 2004, 01:53 PM	#4
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	with the Task Manager icon. XP displays a notification icon when an event occurs. after a short time, Windows puts the icon in the background to simplify that area. if you check "hide inactive icons" then the XP will do that, i never have this problem maybe becos i always uncheck this option, so try with the option uncheck.

Aug 31, 2004, 09:35 AM	#8
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	there's a problem like this in the past, many ppls had this prob, actually. i just never read it before. will PM you the info then you'll have to check it out, i've not read it yet, can't do it, very long read but maybe there is a solution there. let us know..

Sep 2, 2004, 02:41 AM	#9
mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,495 Rep Power: 132 System Specs	It has improved here, so that it at least always shows up properly at windows startup. Seems to show up in the tray much more oftenly at other times as well, but still not quite 100%... Unfortunately I cannot say exactly what did it, but the improvement had something to do with my going over the system processes thoroughly and disabling everything I didn't need to have running or even on manual so to let it run when asked for by something else. I made at least a dozen changes and I'm not feeling like backtracking all of them to see if there was a single one that made the difference, but just in case anyone could use my current rules for the windows processes as a comparison I made a screenshot-list of them. I marked the non-windows processes by a thin strike-through line. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...s_sept_02b.png Just a note. I wouldn't recommend anyone to follow that setup blindly, as quite a few things that people could use are disabled.

Sep 2, 2004, 06:51 AM	#11
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	vampy...do you happen to have the hacked uxtheme.dll file or the original one? if you have the hacked one it may idneed be the themes as you said....if not, I guess read what Net sent you and hope the PC Gods are in a forgiving mood

Sep 2, 2004, 04:19 PM	#13
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	find anything in those msges that i sent?

Sep 3, 2004, 07:41 AM	#15
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	okay, i've to understand the prob and if it's too complicate to resolve this prob, then i'll try to get a workaround for it.. i'll repeat these so i can get the pic, correct me...... you open task manager by hitting < Ctrl -Shift- Esc > or < Ctrl - Alt - Del > the TM opens in normal window, now at the point you see the TM button on task bar ?... But you don't see its icon on system tray (task bar's notification area - by the windows clock) ? and the problem is .... when you hit the TM's minimize box, it won't minimize to task bar nor the notification area.. no matter what you have tried.. the only way to re-open the TM is to hit those keys again ?? and you want to see its icon to show either on the task bar or by the clock so you can reopen it with your mouse??.

Sep 3, 2004, 08:31 AM	#17
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	TM's icon in the system tray... sometimes show, manytime it won't show... randomly ? ....annoyance ? i can imagine that. hmm how to fix this.. later.

Sep 3, 2004, 08:46 AM	Thread Starter #18
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	yes when I start TM, most of the time it doesn't show. only once in maybe 5-15 times launching TM, it will show. it's completely random. __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Sep 3, 2004, 09:38 PM	#19
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	...not sure but i think this'is current bug, no workaround. only if you don't mind installing a 3rd party program like ... 4t Tray Minimizer (Free) - http://www.4t-niagara.com/tray.html or something like PS Tray Factory (Not free) - http://www.pssoftlab.com/ i've tested the 4t Tray Minimizer, its works okay on XP's classic theme, but not so good on the luna. ( you use classic theme anyway ). i'm still running a test system and i'll have to start over anyway, so this up to you, if you like to use and test the program.

Sep 3, 2004, 09:50 PM	Thread Starter #20
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	thanks, I'll give it a shot if I don't find anything in your link __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Sep 3, 2004, 10:55 PM	#21
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	hope you find some good info about this there ... MS knows about this problem as i saw when i read a couple of msges on very first posted ones..

Sep 3, 2004, 11:10 PM	#22
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	well now my task manager doesnt show who is running each process! whats with that!?!?

Sep 5, 2004, 07:30 AM	#25
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	hmm, the Columns views option shoukl not be changed itself from the default setting, unless you changed it yourself. but who knows maybe it do that, i just never seen it before..

Sep 5, 2004, 08:16 PM	Thread Starter #26
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	I think he means the column is there, but the names are missing... I've seen it before too on XP __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Sep 5, 2004, 08:26 PM	#27
eggs420 my bud > yours Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 399 Rep Power: 0	Vampy: There is a tweak someplace to allow programs more time to get their stuff going in the systray..I can't find it for the life of me though as I formatted a few months ago and didn't fix it again..I have this problem with NetPerSec and a few other apps that just don't appear at all..One stupid reg key. I'm going to dig around and try to find it and if I do I'll let you know. It seems to happen with any 'animated' systray such as bandwidth meters and such -- But it NEVER happens with my network connection icons. Hmpf. __________________ AMD64 2800+ // Chaintech VNF3-250 // 2X512mb PDI ddr400 2-3-2-5 // 80gb 7200RPM WD w/8mb cache // Leadtek 6800GT // 144kbit IDSL Clan -=CCC=- Admin 69.31.96.68 BF2 PUBLIC RANKED SERVER 205.218.65.236 BF2 DEMO SERVER

Sep 5, 2004, 08:28 PM	Thread Starter #28
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Sep 5, 2004, 09:04 PM	#29
eggs420 my bud > yours Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 399 Rep Power: 0	Try running 'systray' when you don't have the icon..win2k trick to restore systray icons. This is sort of the same deal (in the end) as explorer.exe crashing and icons not being restored. Also, does it mostly happen when you are checking on some 99% cpu process? Normally high cpu usage causes some apps to give up on inserting their systray icon, and unless the app is written to check every X minutes to make sure it's still in the tray, it won't reappear but will remain running in the background. I still can't find what I was looking for...I'm pretty sure there is a reg key to change how long apps will attempt systray insertation for. There are a few apps that will monitor systray icons and fix them...Might be worth a shot if it's that annoying or if you notice it with many icons..http://www.pssoftlab.com/ is the first I came across, which actually looks decent and people claim it totally restores the icons after explorer crashes. I'll poke around a bit more for the reg key I was thinking of, but it may have even been from windows 98 or something. __________________ AMD64 2800+ // Chaintech VNF3-250 // 2X512mb PDI ddr400 2-3-2-5 // 80gb 7200RPM WD w/8mb cache // Leadtek 6800GT // 144kbit IDSL Clan -=CCC=- Admin 69.31.96.68 BF2 PUBLIC RANKED SERVER 205.218.65.236 BF2 DEMO SERVER Last edited by eggs420; Sep 5, 2004 at 09:10 PM.