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Aug 31, 2004, 10:04 AM
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Slipstreaming
I've been reading a lot in the forums about slipstreaming SP2 lately and just wanted to add my thoughts.Reading up on how to actually do slipstreaming seems to me to be a lot of work,when there is an easier way for most people.I use Norton Ghost,I install XP and service packs and most progams I use,but leave out drivers that are regulary changed-Omega's etc.I also use XPlite to remove all the unwanted Windows stuff I do not use.I then make a Ghost image that is backed up and thats it,you can reinstall your fresh windows copy in just 2 mins,this allows you to mess with your present installation adding and trying new programs knowing that even when things go wrong your fresh install of windows is just that 2mins away.
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Aug 31, 2004, 05:38 PM
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perhaps an even simpler method is to use nLite...which is like XPLite for a CD, rather then an installed copy of windows, and it can also slipstream 98% of the hotfixes and both SP1 and 2
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Aug 31, 2004, 05:39 PM
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i've delt with plenty of "ghost" copies.... i personally can't stand them.... nothing beats a slipstream install as it leaves less registry messes.... additional unnessary files and moving...
my opinion though... 2 minutes isn't bad.... but i do enjoy my 15 minute to 1 hour time spent installing xp
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Aug 31, 2004, 06:46 PM
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lol....I enjoy making a fulyl automated install so i insert the disk, reboot, and return later to find my computer with a fresh install....no interaction on ym part required
 let's see a ghost copy do THAT(custom drivers, RAID controller(yes, i even hacked it so it doesn't make me hit f6 anymore) and my most used programs liek ad-aware all preinstalled w/o my intervention) |
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Aug 31, 2004, 06:56 PM
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So I guess you got it all working smooth, PJ? I didn't choose to do full unattended because sometimes I want to customize the name of the computer and sometimes I want to change partition sizes for various people.
As for slipstreaming, it's really easy. It's essentially just one command: Code:
xpsp2.exe -s:c:\XPCD - Fast if you have a fast network or the image is on a different HDD. - No configuration required. Cons of Ghosting: - If the image is not on a local HDD or you're doing it for multiple PCs, it strains the network a lot! (I just had to Ghost my HDD for school) - All the PCs have to be the exact same configuration if you want to include advanced drivers. Ghosting is ok if you just want to do it for 1 machine and 1 machine only. If you have 2 desktops and a laptop with different configurations, an semi-auto XP CD is the way to go. One day I'm going to get a DVD-RW and throw in Office 2K3 as well. Pros of Unattended Install: - Flexible. You can install it on different configurations and go to a certain extent with advanced drivers. - You do not need a network connection - Much smaller than a ghost image - Easy to update - Unlike a ghost image where you have to re-image to update with drivers and updates - Potentially faster than a Ghosting in overall work time (Updating and installing drivers) Cons of Unattended Install: - Initial setting up of the CD can be time consuming and requires patience
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Aug 31, 2004, 07:15 PM
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No_Style you've got it all, with pros & cons, good post, like it.. (while i'm looking for words. lol.)
seriously, Judas, i thought those is a boring steps... the steps to start over by installing windows from the setup CD, then install all programs and all the windows's user profile settings. i think that will take alot of human memory and time. anyway, the slipstream (setup) CD and ghost image are two things, essentially different but thought to be alike in atleast one respect, both can be use for saving time on setting up computer system.. but the ghost is more like backup solutions and.. if you already have a good plan on your HDD partitions, where to place your datas and files then there won't be any windows registry problem after restoring the image. when the slipstream is a way of incorporating all of the new hotfixes up-to date into your Windows installation CD.. this won't take long or to be a lot of work as you seem to think.. Virgo. |
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Aug 31, 2004, 07:22 PM
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My semi-auto XPCD is one of my useful accomplishments. It took me a month of working on it to get it working my way. The actual unattended of basic XP is a walk in the park with "Setup Manager", but working with the runonceex.cmd and finding out the registry keys and all that jazz to get XP the way I like it took a lot of my time. That and testing... I love you VMWare.
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Aug 31, 2004, 07:38 PM
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with the time and energy you've spent that's a good reason for congratulate yourself for the achievement.
computing is about this sometimes or always for many ppls out there, eventho i see more ppls likes easy computing... |
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Aug 31, 2004, 07:48 PM
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I used to 'enjoy' install XP from ground up, and well once you have to do it several times for friends and whatever, you get pissed off.
 I also did it as a learning experience because the following semester I had to do a WinNT 4.0 unattended (If you recall I posted an issue with that awhile back, Net  ).. Well MS has improved the way they do unattended installs and I appreciate them for that. MS doesn't always do things right, but they're always looking out for the system admins and making life easier for them in some respects. Which is probably why Win2K3 is being adopted so quickly.
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Aug 31, 2004, 08:06 PM
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wow!information overload.My thoughts where for the not too well informed people like myself who would find the task of slipsteaming a bit daughting to do.I've not used nlite before,is it any good?
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Aug 31, 2004, 08:15 PM
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slipstreaming is easy, it can be done manually but this tool is invaluable http://nuhi.msfn.org/ there is also a guide for it on the same site, easy as a few clicks
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Aug 31, 2004, 08:26 PM
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Thanks Zardon.might just give it a go!I've always got my invaluable ghost copy when I get it wrong.
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Aug 31, 2004, 08:55 PM
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Looks pretty good for a starting point from which to try and slipstream SATA raid drivers into. Might give it a go mesen.
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Aug 31, 2004, 09:42 PM
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sata raid drivers are best done manually...
here is the guide i used http://greenmachine.msfnhosting.com/READING/addraid.htm al you have to do is find the OEM drivers in the driver pack(located here) and use the settings for your controller in place of the settings for his this method builds your raid controller drivers into the ones windows has preinstalled so it loads these just like it does the generic USB drivers, etc |
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Sep 1, 2004, 02:13 PM
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This is what I use for the RAID drivers.. VERY GOOD! Mass Driver Pack
Also comes in LAN driver and partial finished Sound Driver packs
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Sep 1, 2004, 09:37 PM
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the lan and sound drivers were put together by bashrat the sneaky, were they not?...he's a very cool guy
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Sep 2, 2004, 01:11 AM
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i tried using the command line, and it wouldnt let me create it...it said there was a problem with the files to be integrated...i only chose the sp2 exe.
could it be a problem with the uxtheme.dll and xplite modifications? |
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Sep 2, 2004, 01:34 AM
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xplite modifications?.....do you mean nlite?
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Sep 2, 2004, 01:44 AM
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That's one of the reasons why I don't use nlite. It kills integration. Simple way to fix it is to slipstream then use nlite. But, seriously, I see no point of nlite. It's a great utility if you really want to cut down XP's installation size and save a little time, but it's not worth the hassle in my opinion. If you just want to limit the stuff that gets installed on your system.. work with the unattend.txt or something along those lines.
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Sep 4, 2004, 08:45 PM
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pr0digal jenius and No_Style - thanks for the links been a great help, now cut down my windows install time to under 15 minutes. Very sweet.
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Sep 5, 2004, 05:26 AM
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nooo problem....
and no_style, the new verison fo nLite does the integration for you and the stripping of the products supports SP2 i think....so unless you have an odler version I dunno why integration doesn't work for you 
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Sep 5, 2004, 05:30 AM
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you know what i just found out.... they've removed the JAVA from SP2! WTF!
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Sep 5, 2004, 05:31 AM
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Yeah I know the new version probably works, but I'm still not using it for reasons stated (Mainly, I like to do it manually and keep the installation files to retain compatibility in the future). Thanks for the info though
I was using an older version.
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Sep 5, 2004, 07:18 AM
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the one that came with XP SP1 was 3805 build, if you have this build or D/L the msjavx86.exe from some sites, go to Windows Update after installed, you should be able to get the Q816093 security update... and if you already have it installed run JView in CMD window to see the version build. |
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Sep 5, 2004, 07:24 AM
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yeah... before i was running SP1 (not A revised)
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Sep 5, 2004, 07:39 AM
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you mean you'hv been using the SP1 one and never get an undate.. if so that's not so good at all when you have it enbled in IE on the internet...
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Jul 6, 2007, 06:17 AM
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I have Vista Home Premium. In an online game I used to play, I needed to install MSJavx86.exe in windows xp. Now in vista, that won't work. Is there a replacement for it?
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Jul 6, 2007, 03:38 PM
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Anyways, everything is Sun Java now. MSJava was superceded long ago and is in fact not supported due to security concerns. Try www.java.com and download the runtime for it. If that does not work, then that game's creators need to update their code badly and get with the times.
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Jul 7, 2007, 03:13 PM
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The latest is actually Java SE 6u2 http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp - don't know why it takes so long to hit the "consumer" site anf autoupdate, as it is NOT a beta.
Don't even think about trying to install MSJava on Vista - best not to install it on anything, as it is obsolete and riddled with holes. In general, unmodified Java 1 applications ought to run ok in later versions.
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