[BWX]

You would think I would learn.. I am on another windows install from another HD because I uninstalled the Nvidia drivers (mobo- chipset, etc) to update to a new set..


Now I try to boot up and I get as far as the welcome screen and the damn thing goes into the dreaded:
"windows has detected a problem and to protect your hardware. etc, etc..." blue screen and no matter what I can't boot into that Windows install (my main install)...


How can I install the Nvidia motherboard chipset drivers into that windows installation without actually being able to start that Win installation?

I figured it would just load the defualts and then I would install the new drivers over top.. Guess not.

This has happened before, once when I clicked the wrong thing on DriverCleaner, and once when I installed a new mobo..
Ctrl-Alt_delete helped me fix the other one with a boot floppy somehow- rerplacing the ntldr file or something.. can't remember now..


I don't really want to go through the windows repair process because I don't want to have to set up my outlook all over again, I'm not sure if that will all be overwritten or not.. Maybe not but I don't want to risk it.

Anyway I can access that drive through this one- the boot.ini looks ok still.. not sure how to install the drivers though..

ctrl_alt_delete.. where are you!!!


Does anyone have any ideas about installing drivers on a windows installation that you can't start?

It bugs me that uninstalling the drivers like that completely locks you out of the OS.. it shouldn't... but it does. Also, no I didn't have system restore running.. or that would have been my fisrt option.. "last good config"

I have tried everything accept the repair.. but it seems like there would be a way to do it without that..

The "Nvidia" folder is still intact- like te uninstallation didn't complete on the C: drive too.. Hmmm.. damn. this sux!

[BWX]

Well hey, does anyone know if you do a repair on windows XP with the CD, if if overwrites your Outlook Express settings and or your IE6 favorites and settings?

[mike2h]

this is not going to help you now but will in the future. oulook has a built in backup prog so you might want to check that out.
file & settings transfer wizard also takes care of all that plus some. i have used it on 2 installations on 2 seperate comps. worked great both times.
as far as help now, i did an 'over install' of xp once & it did not affaect either of those(know what you mean there, favs & outlook are time consuming to set up/get back everything). did not fix my problem but i was able to back up what mattered & do a clean install.
hope that helps.

[BWX]

Well I do a backup of my actual emails, my favorites, my address book etc periodically, but haven't in a few weeks..

Also I have done that files and transfer setting wizzard thing before too, but I can't really do it since I can't get in that installation to do it. maybe doing a repair won't even erase all that stuff..

I can't remember since it's been so damn long since I have done it..

The thing that pisses me off is that by clicking "uninstall" to the Nvidia mobo drivers, that windows becomes un-bootable, that shouldn't really happen.. but I caution anyone with an Nforce 2 board not to do that. Windows should just load the defaults or something, but it doesn't, it just won't boot at all. I still have never figured out why.

[mike2h]

sorry i could not help. & that does not make sense to me either. if something that nasty is going to happen there should be some sort of warning before it uninstalls the drivers.
not to be mean, but crap like that is one of the reasons i stick with intel chipsets.
is the original driver program still on your comp & if so can you run the exe. through dos?
are you going to go ahead & run the repair? if so i will keep my fingers crossed for you. & offer something up to the computer gods.

[BWX]

Well I can't afford intel chipsets..


Yeah how whould I run the exe through dos? That sounds like a good idea- but I can't remember how to do that. The exact commands..

C:\NVIDIA\nForceWin2KXP\4.24\setup.exe


Do I just use win98 startup disk and then goto cmd promt and type in C: and then the path and "run" or some shit?

Would that actually install the drivers onto that windows install?


edit- if I try that and it doesn't work, I will have to do that thing that ctrl_alt_delete said to do with those windows files a long time ago when this happened.. But I lost that disk and can't remember what exactly he said to do- the post is around here somewhere.. but I could never find it when I looked before- it may have been deleted or something.

[BWX]

pretty slow around here...

where is ctrl_alt_delete when you need him...

[PangingJr]

just never have a chance to use this driver yet. not one single machine that i can or used to access is using this chipsets. but, my guess would be (as it seems to be) that - you've removed (without knowing, maybe) something more than the drivers and that things were not supposted to be removed but are supposted to exist in your Windows system, so that you can re-install the drivers in a normal way after you've removed it. i've seen this similar problem many times before, i'd have to use the google too, if i could get to the right answer. don't think i can help you atm. sorry.

did they give you an instruction on how to Install / Uninstall or Update this driver, i mean with the driver pack?
i've seen many people have problem after removing it.
i'm wonder and like to see for myself - What's Wrong With The NVIDIA nForce Driver or The Developer of this Driver? Why thay add the entry in Add/Remove if/when you can not remove it? or the driver is good, and nothing wrong with the uninstaller? or whatever.

[BWX]

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...ighlight=ntldr

Yes it is like what happened here- but kind of different. I can't find that boot.ini - ntlrd floppy I made or I would try that..


I think there is something screwed up with the uninstaller for the Nvidia chipset drivers, because it shouldn't do that- it has happened before once while tryin to clean them with DriverCleaner aslo- so I don't think it is something I did "wrong", but something that the uninstaller did wrong..


But anyway... I think if I could run the installer from the C: promt from DOS and actually get the drivers to install it would work... I am going to try to do it, but Irealy don't know if I will be able to get it to work..


edit- I am on an SP2 installation now and I don't even see those files on the HD on this installation..

[BWX]

Originally Posted by Ctrl-Alt-Del

did they give you an instruction on how to Install / Uninstall or Update this driver, i mean with the driver pack?
i've seen many people have problem after removing it.
.

Nope- no instructions really- just the normal stuff.. maybe if you have a certain hardware configuration, this happens, and if you have another hardware cnfig, it won't.. Not sure..

Everything was running at default speed at the time too- no OC at all because I had just been updating other stuff, and had updated the BIOS.. but I had it running fine for hours after that- only after uninstalling the NVidia driver for mobo did this happen.. pretty messed up.

[PangingJr]

Originally Posted by BWX

"windows has detected a problem and to protect your hardware. etc, etc..."

from there.

this error is not the same with the missing boot files as you had last time.

Originally Posted by BWX

I am on an SP2 installation now and I don't even see those files on the HD on this installation..

you don't see what files ?

[BWX]

Originally Posted by Ctrl-Alt-Del

from there.

this error is not the same with the missing boot files as you had last time.



you don't see what files ?

Yeah I know it isn't the same as last time.. but I did have this same problem once before... I think I had to do a repair that time to fix it actually.



the NTLDR file is not on the SP2 installation... i just noticed.

Not that it will help me anyway.

Do you know if a windows repair will wipe out outlook express identities or settings?

[BWX]

WTF! I go to put in a boot floppy and then realize the floppy is not even being detected..

I turned off all but one IDE channel and Floppy once to see if I could boot with just one IDE channel, but thought that when I enabled the floppy in the bios and rebooted that it would detect it.. I guess not.

Something fishy going on here.. All started by uninstalling those drivers- crazy.

EDIt- quick reboot fixed floopy- that was nothing




Here is what that blue sceen error is-

At the top it says:

A Problem has been detected and Windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer..

then it says a bunch of other crap..

and then
STOP: 0x0000007B (0XF7046640, 0XC0000034, 0x00000000, 0X00000000)


before the blue screen I get the black screen that gives you the option to start in safe mode, normal, or last known good config...
I guess a quick repair could fix this, but that is such a pain, you have to reload SP1 and all the updates, etc... And risk losing settings.



I am starting here--
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;324103

[BWX]

posting in a new link so it's less confusing.

I found this at the link above- I believe this is the problem, when you uninstall the drivers, and then reboot before installing the new drivers, windows doesn't have the driver for the IDE channel loaded to even boot into windows.

I think this is the problem, I bet that from now on, when uninstalling the Nforce drivers, peope should reinstall the new drivers before rebooting or you will get this stop error..

I am going to try to follow the instructions and try to install the driver via the method beow.

Device Driver Issues
You may receive a "Stop 0x0000007B" error message in the following scenarios:• A device driver that the computer boot controller needs is not configured to start during the startup process.
• A device driver that the computer boot controller needs is corrupted.
• Information in the Windows XP registry (information related to how the device drivers load during startup) is corrupted.
Windows XP requires a miniport driver to communicate with the hard disk controller that is used to start your computer. If Windows XP does not supply a device driver for your controller or if Windows XP is using a corrupted or incompatible driver, you must replace the driver with a valid copy that is compatible with your controller and Windows XP.

During the first phase of the Windows XP installation, Setup displays the following message at the bottom of the screen:
Press F6 if you have to install a third-party SCSI or RAID driver.
Press F6 and then follow the instructions to install a mass-storage device driver from your Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM). For additional information about using F6 to load an OEM device driver to support, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

[PangingJr]

0x7B: INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
Windows lost access to the system partition or boot volume during the startup process.

Typical causes:

Your computer is infected with a boot sector virus,

Installing incorrect device drivers when installing or upgrading storage adapter hardware,

A device driver required by your boot controller is not configured to start at boot time or is corrupt,

A resource conflict exists between the boot controller and another controller in the system or between SCSI devices,

Drive translation is not being performed or was changed,

The boot volume is corrupt and cannot be mounted by Windows NT,

Information in the Windows NT registry about which device drivers load at start up is corrupt,

This issue may occur if the new motherboard contains an embedded IDE controller that has a different chipset than the original motherboard.

Troubleshooting Stop 0x0000007B or "0x4,0,0,0" Error
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=122926&sd=RMVP


Should you do a repair install; and is it the best choice?
see Warning! #1 and Warning!! #2

You May Lose Data or Program Settings After Reinstalling, Repairing, or Upgrading Windows XP

Data loss occurs after you reinstall, repair, or upgrade Windows XP

[BWX]

Well I tried to repair and it got almost done and gave this error-

unregmp2.exe Entry point not found
The procedure entry point GetIUMS could not be located in the dyna,ic link library MSDART.DLL


Also before that a window popped up durring repair install asking for the radlink.dll


This whole thing is rediculous, all I did was uninstall the Nvidia drivers.. Damn, what a mess. Repair has failed. I guess my next step is to either try to fix it, or start backing things up -

Now nstead of the blu screen when I try to boot to my main XP installation, I get the message to insert the windows disc.

Hmm, I don't know if it is even possible to transfer ALL the settings from Outlook express.. that is the main thing, all the other stuff can be backed up easily. it will be a HUGE pain, but can be done.

[BWX]

Hmmmmmmmmm

http://www.adminlife.com/247referenc...37/189235.aspx

I am attempting to reinstall Windows XP Professional over my existing
installation, which was having problems. When the installation gets to the
"Registering Components" (13 minutes left), a dialog pops up with error
messages. The dialog says Unregmp2.exe Entry Point Not Found, on the title
bar section. The body of the message says "The procedure entry point GetIUMS
could not be located in the dynamic link library MSDART.dll." My only
options at that point is an OK and an X for closing the dialog. Neither of
these options work. At this point everything is frozen up and I am not able
to do anything except power down after a pretty lengthy wait, pressing the
power button. For information purposes my cd is from my Universal
Subscription, so I don't know why there would be a registering issue.

Someone please help.......and thanks much in advance!!!!

Rob


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Carey Frisch [MVP] (VIP)
When the problem occurs, press: Shift + F10 to bring up the
Command Prompt. Then type: Taskmgr.exe in the DOS window
and press Enter. The Task Manager should be started. If
not, try to press: C + Shift + ESC. In the Task Manager
program, select the error messsage window in the
application list and click "End Task". [COLOR=Red] In the Process
List, terminate the Unregmp2.exe program. [/COLOR] Exit the DOS
prompt window and resume the installation process.

Same exact thing happened to me- I also had 13 min left- weird.

How do I terminate that program in DOS? the guy doesn't say,,

[OldBuzzard]

Dang, every time I see a post like this I cringe. I can remember going thru about 15+ reinstalls of Windows (98 at the time) when I was tryng to get two video cards to co-exist so that I could run 2x monitors. I had been successful with a Savage4 (AGP) and a Diamond Monster Banshee (PCI), but the new Savage2000 just didn't 'play nice' with the Banshee.

Not long after that I came across HyperOS, and I can truthly say that except for migrating to this Athlon64 from my old Athlon 1.2, I've NEVER had to reinstall Windows (98 & XP Pro) for any reason. Now, I have 'blown up' systems a lot, but with HyperOS, I can always make a copy of my LIVE system on a spare partition, which takes all of 5-10 minutes, test on that, and if all goes well just copy it back to the live partition. If not, I can re-copy to that partition, and try again until I get it right.

Why HyperOS is so unknown is beyond me. With the size of the HDDs today, having 4 or more 25 gig partitions for OSs is not a problem, and the cheap version of HyperOS will handle up to 4 seperate OSs with no problem. More $$ versions will handle as many as 22 installations of Windows AND Linux.

While I say 'cheap', it isn't REAL cheap, £59.00/$103.25 for the OneCLick version that does 4 installs, but for the amount of 'hair pulling' that it can save you, it's a bargin.

Check it out here http://www.hyperos2002.com/

[BWX]

Yeah that sounds cool- but I just finally got a big HD last week- a 160GB WD 7200RPM 8mb cache..

Before that I was stuck with a 40gig (same speed) - but I didn't have enough room for that stuff.


Now that I have a new HD I am going to install SP2 on the 6GB ist partition on it that I specifically made for the installation.. I haven't done it yet-

It's just ridiculous that uninstalling a driver caused this- I will fix it though. I think that solution above will work, but I don't knw how to terminate a process in DOS.


I still need to get in that install to save all my crap in OE and try to migrate my identities over to the new installation.. Then I will have that 40 gig freed up for programs, backup etc..

A year ago I would have said that 206GB was plenty, but with all the partitions I have now, I am not so sure. I basically have a 1gig partition on each drive (1.5 on the 160 gig) set aside for pagefiles, then I have the rest split up in 50GB partitions, but with 6GB games and movies, DAMN they fill up QUICK!

Oh well, I might try that solutin above, but I really have no idea wtf to do in DOS.. Maybe I will try it just to see what happens, and then if I can't do it I will have to do some more searching.

That freaking file is a Windows media player associated file I saw- how stupid is that?


Edit
This is a more common problem than I thought. It seems if you keep hitting ok about 80 times it goes away- maybe I will try that insane approach.
http://www.mcse.ms/message297206.html

[BWX]

Wel I got past that installation error- it took 80 clicks- then another came up just like from the link I posted-

Then after restarting from the repair?

SAME DAMN BLUE screen!

I don't know which one of the things to try on that page you just linked to-

I don't have any viruses- I am pretty sure it is a driver thing. I have a driver I could install but from the repair install it only lets you do this from a floppy disk.

I guess I could put just the IDE driver on the floppy- but I doubt I wil be able to get it to install -
plus if a repair didn't help- how could this? A repair loads drivers for the board..



Also on that page it says:

• Microsoft Windows 2000 Server
• Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional Edition
• Microsoft Windows NT Workstation 3.5
• Microsoft Windows NT Workstation 3.51
• Microsoft Windows NT Workstation 4.0 Developer Edition
• Microsoft Windows NT Server 3.5
• Microsoft Windows NT Server 3.51
• Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Standard Edition
• Microsoft BackOffice Small Business Server 4.0
• Microsoft BackOffice Small Business Server 4.0a


I have XP pro

[PangingJr]

have a look at this article http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=316401&sd=RMVP
which's applied to XP.

at the section MORE INFORMATION
For additional information about how to troubleshoot other STOP 0x7B error messages in Windows XP, click the following article numbers to view the articles in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

Article ID:122926
Troubleshooting Stop 0x0000007B or "0x4,0,0,0" Error
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=122926&sd=RMVP

[BWX]

Thanks for links but I think this is hopeless- I even tried the "F6" and loaded that driver from a floppy- still after repair, same exact problem.


I dunno, if there is something I can do from this installation by changing/ replacing files in the problem installation, that would be good.. But there is no hope for the repair.

If this doesn't work I will just have to simply start backing everything up. I need to find out where all the files for the settings in outlook express are so I can save them.. I have 4 accounts in there - with many rules and a large address book. I have been using a file on a separate folder as the default storage for the emails, so I shouldn't have a problem re-inserting them into the next installation.

This is not going to be fun.

Moral of the story? Never uninstall Nforce drivers I guess.

[PangingJr]

next time do this...

Backup and Restore Your OE Mail, News and Settings



also, backup your Internet Account Files (*.iaf), Address Book File (*.wab), Bookmarks, Cookies, Etc...
better yet, move these files from the OS partition/drive to other partition,
this way you'll always have an up-to-date files, and if you want to make sure that all your mails, etcs are saved then keep another copied on a network drive or CD/DVD.
from then on, if anything went wrong with Windows you can format the partition/reinstall the Windows and then restore your settings in Windows registry and OE settings and all the things in your OE program will be same like nothing ever happened... as for the IE Favorites, you can either do an import/export the bookmark.htm or move the whole folder and modify your registry for a new location...

[BWX]

Originally Posted by Ctrl-Alt-Del

next time do this...

Backup and Restore Your OE Mail, News and Settings



also, backup your Internet Account Files (*.iaf), Address Book File (*.wab), Bookmarks, Cookies, Etc...
better yet, move these files from the OS partition/drive to other partition,
this way you'll always have an up-to-date files, and if you want to make sure that all your mails, etcs are saved then keep another copied on a network drive or CD/DVD.
from then on, if anything went wrong with Windows you can format the partition/reinstall the Windows and then restore your settings in Windows registry and OE settings and all the things in your OE program will be same like nothing ever happened... as for the IE Favorites, you can either do an import/export the bookmark.htm or move the whole folder and modify your registry for a new location...

Yeah I already do that with my emails.. I can get to my cookies and favorites for IE... I actually already went into my C: drive and got them and transplanted them onto this install- So I am good to go there. I can do the same with the new installation..

I am wondering about all the settings in outlook express though- are they kept with the emails? Because I have access to all the files. I can get to all my drives still. I need my message rules and settings mainly..

I dunno- I will have to to a little research I suppose. I think it is a lost cause for my OS- but I was going to install a new one anyway- SP2 on a new Drive..



I have 3 hard drives now though- and the one I am on is a crappy little slow one, it is on the same IDE cable as the main 40 gig I have been using for a couple years-

The new 160Gig is what I am going to install the new OS on, but I have this drive as the slave to the 40 gig.. So it is going to get a little confusing with the boot.ini files..

In the end the 160Gig will be master on IDE 1 and the 40 gig will be slave on IDE1

On IDE2 the CDrom will be master and the 6gig slave (for a little while)..

It will be good to get a squeaky clean SP2 install on my fastest drive.. so this will just force me to do it a little sooner than I planned..

Thanks for help .. I may need to ask you a question or 2 about the boot.ini if I have to manually edit it.. just to make sure I don't fubar something.

[PangingJr]

this OE mails/news backup method is like a real-time, live backup, since you're actually using this same databases, but it's store outside the Windows partition.
you'll have to make sure that there will be no virus in this mails store folder, and if nothing ever happened to the HDD or partition that you use for this new folder then your mails and etc will be there for a limitless time.

OE's settings are in Windows registry, including the identities, internet account settings, the path to the new mail and addressbooks store folder, see most of the info from the above link.

all of your internet account settings are storeed in <account name>.iaf files, this will need to be exported (while the system is working) first, within the OE-> Tools ->Accounts, so that you can import this file-- to restore it on a new Windows, all of the internet accounts will be placed in OE.

there will be some steps that you will need to do...
in short, create a new directory (folder) for storing your e-mail databases,
then in OE move the databases from the default location to this new location,
copy your addressbook files and export your internet account settings to the same folder, then edit your Windows registry for this new setting,
and export and save the regiskey keys so you can use them in future.

when you want to restore all of these to a new XP...
after the Windows is installed, you'll have to modify your registry first before you can start the OE for the first time. and to make sure that you'll not lost all the mails make another (one more) backup and you could remove it later - just copy the 'store email' folder to other location, or rar/zip the whole folder before you first start the OE.

this same backup method is can also be applied to other 3rd party programs's profile folders which are located in the 'Application Data'. i think it's better/ rather move only the profile that you're really want to save such as others web browsers profiles than moving the whole docs & settings which's at later time can cause some problem to your Windows or 3rd party programs. but to make this happens you'd need to know how to change the other programs configurations, sometimes setting can be changed in program's UI, or you may need to modify contain of its config files...

[BWX]

Sounds like it would be easier to manually rebuild everything. As I said I already have the e-mails in a another folder- so nothing is lost.

[e v o]

good luck BWX, i think we've all gone through something like this.

But, after you've reformatted and installed, it'll feel good to have that new computer feeling again.

May these errors burn.....in hell

[BWX]

Yeah man- I am half way done getting the new install back to "normal"...



I got a question for anyone who knows...


Can you access the registry of a windows installation that is on the hard drive?

I need to get to some settings, and they are only in: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities

As seen here: http://www.iopus.com/guides/oe-backup.htm

But they are in the old install's reg.. I still have the entire this on disk, just can't log into that installation. It would save a whole bunch of time setting up Outlook, that's for sure.

[PangingJr]

i thought you have the exported keys already. you sound like you have it on your above posts.

Offline NT Password & Registry Editor, Bootdisk / CD
http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html
i never use this one but you can check it out.

-Or-

with Bart's PE, there're several plugings that you can use to edit the user registry...
RunScanner Plugin http://www.paraglidernc.com/,
Registry Editor PE (RegEditPE) Plugin-- Registry Editor PE was created by Jeremy Mlazovsky, SourceForge site for this project is at https://sourceforge.net/projects/regeditpe/,
Or the System registry editor plugin for Total Commander you'll also need a plugin files for Total Commander itself to setup for the BartPE.
http://www.totalcmd.net/plugring/registry.html

-Or-

from another XP browse the corrupted XP, for 'NTUSER.DAT' file.
it'll be in ....\Docs and Settings\<your old Windows log in name>\

load the file in the Registry Editor using File ->Load Hive,
then assign a name to the hive and see if you can get what you want...

[PangingJr]

Originally Posted by BWX

I need to get to some settings, and they are only in: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities

As seen here: http://www.iopus.com/guides/oe-backup.htm

what's difference between the link i give and that ?

were you have problem with this link?

Backup and Restore Your OE Mail, News and Settings

if you only move the message or the databases to a new folder, then that's not a complete backup. you know?

anyway, just want to make sure you understand how to load the old XP's NTUSER.DAT
into the Registry Editor for editing, in this case you want to export some registry keys from the NTUSER.DAT file.

from a working XP open the Registry Editor, then click on the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE key and go to File ->Load Hive, browse to locate the NTUSER.DAT in the corrupted XP, then assign a name to the hive, for example "TemporaryKey".

now, the registry key named TemporaryKey will be loaded under the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE key, just expand the key and get whatever you want from it,
when you're done with it, click on the TemporaryKey key and unload it--File ->Unload Hive. goodluck.