Dual OS'es

Kelsenellenelvian · Dec 5, 2002, 05:31 AM

I find myself needing to install Both XP & ME on my system could you guys give me any tips??

Which OS should I install first??

Should I put them both on partition c:\ or use different partitions??

I have a proggy already that will let me fast-switch between the 2 without re-booting so thats not a bother.

Do I have to Instal proggys twice to use them in both OS shells and if I do can I install on OS #1 and then re-install in the same directory (Over-Install) on OS #2??

digitalwanderer · Dec 5, 2002, 06:24 AM

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Originally posted by Kelsenellenelvian
I find myself needing to install Both XP & ME on my system could you guys give me any tips??

Which OS should I install first??

ME! Once you get that set-up, go ahead and run "setup" on your XP disk and it'll automatically set you up with a dual-boot. Just make sure you choose the "choose partition to install" during the set-up proggy and you'll be just fine.

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Should I put them both o partition c:\ or use different partitions??

As a general rule I ALWAYS bust up me HDs into a couple of 4-6 smaller partitions. 1 partition per OS to keep things tidy, 1 for back-ups & systemCDs, and the rest for fun.

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I have a proggy already that will let me fast-switch between the 2 without re-booting so thats not a bother.

I'm pretty sure you're still gonna have to reboot to get from one OS to another, but if you keep all your partitions FAT32 you'll still be able to access them all from either OS.

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Do I have to Instal proggys twice to use them in both OS shells and if I do can I install on OS #1 and then re-install in the same directory (Over-Install) on OS #2??

Sometimes. Some proggies will work just by finding the executable and firing it up. UT, Q3 based games, UT2k3 (if you import the .reg entry from your other OS...which works for a lot of other proggies too.

), photoshop, and a couple others. You gotta sort of play it by ear, and there is some double installing.

Gotta go, the eyes ain't staying open so well. Hope it helps some.

Kelsenellenelvian · Dec 5, 2002, 06:37 AM

Thank you very much I really appreciate the help and advice.

Ryo-Ohki · Dec 5, 2002, 10:26 AM

Dig's the fastest way to do it by far. However it means ME boot sector will be over-written by XP's and one can speak against this point for a number of reasons.

You can also choose the "cleaner" way : two completely separate partitions and a boot manager like XOSL.

I posted the complete guide at nvnews.net a while ago, I'll just link it ('t was for a XP/Linux dual-boot but the general idea remains the same)...

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...&threadid=4253

Here, I'd avise you to install XP, create a partition for WinME and the decicated XOSL one (plus others if you wish), install XOSL, set up your boot items for XP & WinME, boot once on the WinME item (necessary step to set the future ME partition active), install ME, then finally restore XOSL.

merry · Dec 5, 2002, 11:32 AM

I use BootMagic, that means I can reinstall safely any OS. I use 98SE, XP and Linux.

I keep each system in it's native fs format, separate partitions - takes 20GB; the rest (20 GB) is a common partition FAT32x, which appears as D: in both 98 and XP. If you choose to do this, be careful to format your huge FAT32x partition in 4k or 8k sectors.

Both MS OSs are installed in C:, that is each one sees it's boot partition as C:. 98SE, XP and the Linux /boot are primary partitions.

I would have liked to replace BootMagic by grub, but can't figure out how (without a 'totall reinstall').

Dec 5, 2002, 03:32 PM

ok personally i wouldnt install ME... but i guess if you HAVE to over 98... then whatever. But yes, install ME first. And yes/no... MOST programs can run in windows xp/winME from the different ones.

reno · Dec 5, 2002, 04:24 PM

Windows XP is fully compatible with dual booting with no problems with any Win9x kernel OS. You DO NOT need a boot manager, and if you use one, kiss fixing your computer goodbye if it screws up!

Windows XP doesn't overwrite the boot sector, it's vice-versa. Windows ME/98/95 all overwrite the boot sector on install, hence why you ALWAYS install a 9x kernel OS first. Then, when you install XP, it finds where your previous windows is and doesn't bother the boot files the older OS needs to use.

If you are just dual booting Windows OS's, don't get a boot manager! Install the oldest OS first, and install XP last. Also, Win98/ME are upgrades of each other and Win95, so you CANNOT have all three or even two of the three installed in the same environment without a boot manager and separate partitions. For 2 OS's, a 9x kernel one, and a NT kernel one (XP) just follow Dig's instructions.

Kelsenellenelvian · Dec 6, 2002, 12:26 AM

I installed ME first and then XP no boot manager and everything is going beuatiful so far. P.S. I like ME over '98 anyday!!! Just my opinion I like the enhancements ME has over '98.

sporkpimp · Dec 6, 2002, 03:55 AM

But that's why I have 98lite for those rare, GottaUse9x situations.

Dec 6, 2002, 01:03 PM

CAUTION !!!

Dont use boot/partition managers unless you know what your doing !!!

As one that has been on a triple or quad boot most of the time
i recommend DIGI's method.

Start from win Me or 98 and the other 2 (XP and 2K) are easy
as long as you select the correct partition and dont over-write an OS.

Even if you install an older version like Me/98 after XP/2K and screw up the MBR(master boot record) you can still repair the
XP/2k installation by running a setup/repair..

So avoid third party boot managers unless you really need it and know how to use it cause it could cost you ALL your OS's but if you do use one of these apps DONT FORGET TO MAKE THE RECOVERY DISCS IT ASKS FOR DURING INSTALLATION.
Also If your gonna use one of these third party managers make sure its a full registered version without limitations.

Louie6666 · Dec 7, 2002, 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by GREEKRAGE
CAUTION !!!

Dont use boot/partition managers unless you know what your doing !!!

As one that has been on a triple or quad boot most of the time
i recommend DIGI's method.

Start from win Me or 98 and the other 2 (XP and 2K) are easy
as long as you select the correct partition and dont over-write an OS.

Even if you install an older version like Me/98 after XP/2K and screw up the MBR(master boot record) you can still repair the
XP/2k installation by running a setup/repair..

So avoid third party boot managers unless you really need it and know how to use it cause it could cost you ALL your OS's but if you do use one of these apps DONT FORGET TO MAKE THE RECOVERY DISCS IT ASKS FOR DURING INSTALLATION.
Also If your gonna use one of these third party managers make sure its a full registered version without limitations.

Yep What he said! the amount of feckups I've had to sort out, which were made more complicated by third party boot managers, keep it simple people, even running triple boots there is no need for extra boot managers, ie 98/ME 1st install, 2000/Xp 2nd install, & Linux Distro 3rd install, with linux taking over the duties of boot manager at the end, works nicely!

Kelsenellenelvian · Dec 7, 2002, 09:23 AM

Now dual booting and for some odd reazson the damn thing is running better than ever! Go figure? Boots in less than 30 with a os choice time of 5 seconds, gain 200 points in 3dmark and system is screaming along in XP. ME is running as best as can be expected SO SLOW I forgot what the difference was like.

Vampyromaniac · Dec 7, 2002, 10:56 AM

Bah hahahahahaha
My triple-98 setup is runing nice and slow.

I like to read the words on the screen while it boots.

simon.l · Dec 7, 2002, 06:41 PM

Why run ME at all? Just run XP it should run everything you have got. Any problems run the compatability wizard. Just a thought.

Si

Kelsenellenelvian · Dec 7, 2002, 10:56 PM

So games that my children like behave waaaqay to buggy in XP no matter what I do. I've got games that run at like 30times speed in XP some games install but won't run and then there is the fact that I don't want my kids screwing around in my system let them Fu(k up their own it is easier to reinstall me and their games than all my shit.

simon.l · Dec 7, 2002, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by Kelsenellenelvian
So games that my children like behave waaaqay to buggy in XP no matter what I do. I've got games that run at like 30times speed in XP some games install but won't run and then there is the fact that I don't want my kids screwing around in my system let them Fu(k up their own it is easier to reinstall me and their games than all my shit.

Fair point, I ended up buying my lot there own pc.

Dec 8, 2002, 01:01 AM

Lets see ya run Prince Of Persia 3d on xp.....not !!

Their are many apps or games that wont run on XP and 2K
even in a compatibility mode wont run and if they do they wont run smooth.

Most ppl i know have at least a win98sec or WinMe with their XP/2K setups.

reno · Dec 15, 2002, 01:07 AM

Yeah, the only way I can use 3d acceleration in Baldur's Gate 2 Throne of Bhaal is if I use Win98se...for some reason the infinity engine just can't do opengl right under XP.

Dec 5, 2002, 06:37 AM	Thread Starter #3
Kelsenellenelvian Master of my own Destiny Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: EverDawn Kingdom,TruEarth Posts: 1,394 Rep Power: 0	Thank you very much I really appreciate the help and advice. __________________ [color=#0000ff] Download Windows Post-Install Wizard v4.3.8 and WPI Lite v1.2 Here [/color][color=red][color=blue][/color][/color] Last edited by Kelsenellenelvian; Dec 5, 2002 at 08:50 AM.

Dec 5, 2002, 10:26 AM	#4
Ryo-Ohki World Destroyer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Masaki Shrine Posts: 196 Rep Power: 0	Dig's the fastest way to do it by far. However it means ME boot sector will be over-written by XP's and one can speak against this point for a number of reasons. You can also choose the "cleaner" way : two completely separate partitions and a boot manager like XOSL. I posted the complete guide at nvnews.net a while ago, I'll just link it ('t was for a XP/Linux dual-boot but the general idea remains the same)... http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...&threadid=4253 Here, I'd avise you to install XP, create a partition for WinME and the decicated XOSL one (plus others if you wish), install XOSL, set up your boot items for XP & WinME, boot once on the WinME item (necessary step to set the future ME partition active), install ME, then finally restore XOSL. __________________ Join the Hanners cult NOW and save your soul! "Bork Bork Bork!" On Rear of Big Rig, San Fransisco, CA Warning! Do not attempt to drive under, over, or through this truck. If you should choose to ignore this warning, good luck and have fun! Do not pass on right side.

Dec 5, 2002, 11:32 AM	#5
merry gargouille Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Posts: 962 Rep Power: 0	I use BootMagic, that means I can reinstall safely any OS. I use 98SE, XP and Linux. I keep each system in it's native fs format, separate partitions - takes 20GB; the rest (20 GB) is a common partition FAT32x, which appears as D: in both 98 and XP. If you choose to do this, be careful to format your huge FAT32x partition in 4k or 8k sectors. Both MS OSs are installed in C:, that is each one sees it's boot partition as C:. 98SE, XP and the Linux /boot are primary partitions. I would have liked to replace BootMagic by grub, but can't figure out how (without a 'totall reinstall'). __________________ There is a war between the ones who say there is a war and the ones who say there isn't. ~~Leonard Cohen

Dec 5, 2002, 04:24 PM	#7
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	fdg Windows XP is fully compatible with dual booting with no problems with any Win9x kernel OS. You DO NOT need a boot manager, and if you use one, kiss fixing your computer goodbye if it screws up! Windows XP doesn't overwrite the boot sector, it's vice-versa. Windows ME/98/95 all overwrite the boot sector on install, hence why you ALWAYS install a 9x kernel OS first. Then, when you install XP, it finds where your previous windows is and doesn't bother the boot files the older OS needs to use. If you are just dual booting Windows OS's, don't get a boot manager! Install the oldest OS first, and install XP last. Also, Win98/ME are upgrades of each other and Win95, so you CANNOT have all three or even two of the three installed in the same environment without a boot manager and separate partitions. For 2 OS's, a 9x kernel one, and a NT kernel one (XP) just follow Dig's instructions.

Dec 6, 2002, 12:26 AM	Thread Starter #8
Kelsenellenelvian Master of my own Destiny Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: EverDawn Kingdom,TruEarth Posts: 1,394 Rep Power: 0	I installed ME first and then XP no boot manager and everything is going beuatiful so far. P.S. I like ME over '98 anyday!!! Just my opinion I like the enhancements ME has over '98. __________________ [color=#0000ff] Download Windows Post-Install Wizard v4.3.8 and WPI Lite v1.2 Here [/color][color=red][color=blue][/color][/color]

Dec 5, 2002, 05:31 AM	#1
Kelsenellenelvian Master of my own Destiny Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: EverDawn Kingdom,TruEarth Posts: 1,394 Rep Power: 0	Dual OS'es I find myself needing to install Both XP & ME on my system could you guys give me any tips?? Which OS should I install first?? Should I put them both on partition c:\ or use different partitions?? I have a proggy already that will let me fast-switch between the 2 without re-booting so thats not a bother. Do I have to Instal proggys twice to use them in both OS shells and if I do can I install on OS #1 and then re-install in the same directory (Over-Install) on OS #2?? __________________ [color=#0000ff] Download Windows Post-Install Wizard v4.3.8 and WPI Lite v1.2 Here [/color][color=red][color=blue][/color][/color] Last edited by Kelsenellenelvian; Dec 5, 2002 at 08:50 AM.

Dec 5, 2002, 03:32 PM	#6
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	ok personally i wouldnt install ME... but i guess if you HAVE to over 98... then whatever. But yes, install ME first. And yes/no... MOST programs can run in windows xp/winME from the different ones.

Dec 6, 2002, 03:55 AM	#9
sporkpimp DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: CA, USA Posts: 90 Rep Power: 0	I prefer the enhancements 95 has over ME But that's why I have 98lite for those rare, GottaUse9x situations.

Dec 6, 2002, 01:03 PM	#10
GREEKRAGE Guest Posts: n/a	CAUTION !!! Dont use boot/partition managers unless you know what your doing !!! As one that has been on a triple or quad boot most of the time i recommend DIGI's method. Start from win Me or 98 and the other 2 (XP and 2K) are easy as long as you select the correct partition and dont over-write an OS. Even if you install an older version like Me/98 after XP/2K and screw up the MBR(master boot record) you can still repair the XP/2k installation by running a setup/repair.. So avoid third party boot managers unless you really need it and know how to use it cause it could cost you ALL your OS's but if you do use one of these apps DONT FORGET TO MAKE THE RECOVERY DISCS IT ASKS FOR DURING INSTALLATION. Also If your gonna use one of these third party managers make sure its a full registered version without limitations.

Dec 7, 2002, 09:23 AM	Thread Starter #12
Kelsenellenelvian Master of my own Destiny Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: EverDawn Kingdom,TruEarth Posts: 1,394 Rep Power: 0	Now dual booting and for some odd reazson the damn thing is running better than ever! Go figure? Boots in less than 30 with a os choice time of 5 seconds, gain 200 points in 3dmark and system is screaming along in XP. ME is running as best as can be expected SO SLOW I forgot what the difference was like. __________________ [color=#0000ff] Download Windows Post-Install Wizard v4.3.8 and WPI Lite v1.2 Here [/color][color=red][color=blue][/color][/color]

Dec 7, 2002, 10:56 AM	#13
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Dec 7, 2002, 06:41 PM	#14
simon.l DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thatcham Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Why run ME at all? Just run XP it should run everything you have got. Any problems run the compatability wizard. Just a thought. Si __________________ Life, The Universe and Everything

Dec 7, 2002, 10:56 PM	Thread Starter #15
Kelsenellenelvian Master of my own Destiny Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: EverDawn Kingdom,TruEarth Posts: 1,394 Rep Power: 0	So games that my children like behave waaaqay to buggy in XP no matter what I do. I've got games that run at like 30times speed in XP some games install but won't run and then there is the fact that I don't want my kids screwing around in my system let them Fu(k up their own it is easier to reinstall me and their games than all my shit. __________________ [color=#0000ff] Download Windows Post-Install Wizard v4.3.8 and WPI Lite v1.2 Here [/color][color=red][color=blue][/color][/color]

Dec 8, 2002, 01:01 AM	#17
GREEKRAGE Guest Posts: n/a	Lets see ya run Prince Of Persia 3d on xp.....not !! Their are many apps or games that wont run on XP and 2K even in a compatibility mode wont run and if they do they wont run smooth. Most ppl i know have at least a win98sec or WinMe with their XP/2K setups.

Dec 15, 2002, 01:07 AM	#18
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	rty Yeah, the only way I can use 3d acceleration in Baldur's Gate 2 Throne of Bhaal is if I use Win98se...for some reason the infinity engine just can't do opengl right under XP.