5.12 Released

Judas · Dec 10, 2005, 11:52 PM

No don't take it that way... i'm refering to the majority of people that won't even TRY the CCC.. i've talked to several people that haven't touched the CCC since the first 2 public versions came out and it makes me sick that some of them are complaining about getting forced something that is actually working great.

Now aside from the fact that some people are apparently having some issues with the 2.0 .net and the latest CCC.... it's not hard to beleive.. it happens.... I wasn't saying that EVERYONE having troubles with the CCC and .net 2.0 doesn't know how to setup a computer let alone run one.... people should know better then that...

Chaos · Dec 11, 2005, 12:00 AM

just checkin' bro you came off pretty strong in the original post

Judas · Dec 11, 2005, 03:16 AM

Yes.. sorry..... currently getting irritated every day with various things i'm finding all over the net and crap i'm and everyone else is dealing with... I'm short of going insane actually..... so please... don't mind me occasionally....

BWX · Dec 11, 2005, 05:41 AM

Just have .net 1.1 on my system.. CCC always takes about 9 to 12 seconds to open the first time.. then after that it is faster, but far from instant. Sometimes if I wait a long time after opening it the first time, it takes a long time again (up to 10 seconds). Maybe with 2gigs of ram it is instant, but with 1gig it is definitely not fast by any means.

I have tested with every version of the CCC, I usually revert back to CP version and use ATI Tool for AI and geometry instancing adjustments, like I do with the 5.11.

I also get overall smoother performance and less hitching in games with the CP that I do with the CCC. Not sure why, that's just the way it is after multiple windows installations and different hardware configurations.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Dec 11, 2005, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BWX

Just have .net 1.1 on my system.. CCC always takes about 9 to 12 seconds to open the first time.. then after that it is faster, but far from instant. Sometimes if I wait a long time after opening it the first time, it takes a long time again (up to 10 seconds). Maybe with 2gigs of ram it is instant, but with 1gig it is definitely not fast by any means.

I have tested with every version of the CCC, I usually revert back to CP version and use ATI Tool for AI and geometry instancing adjustments, like I do with the 5.11.

I also get overall smoother performance and less hitching in games with the CP that I do with the CCC. Not sure why, that's just the way it is after multiple windows installations and different hardware configurations.

I've never seen any hitching... and its fine with 512MB of ram and 1GB
But with 256 (XP reccomended minuim) well you'd need another 256+
anyways if your planing on playing games

Also you don't ever have to loaunch CCC I remind you, thhat can acress 99.8% of
everything directly from the tray application's right click menu, really fast.
faster then going to the classic CP I might add...

BWX · Dec 11, 2005, 08:55 AM

Well since my last experiment I have heard of that trick to not allow display detection to speed it up- so I imagine that will help.

And I have never used the tray icon.. actually I keep all icons out of there.. especially when running games, except the volume adjustment.

~~Crash Override~~ · Dec 11, 2005, 10:04 AM

hmm well I am having an interesting problem. it seems that for some odd reason in 5.12 opening up the CCC and going to the video area when the preview comes up my SYSTEM usage in taskmanager is showing almost 100%.

I can't think of a reason why it should be doing that with the SYSTEM process at all.

Also whenever anything is shown in a windowed mode it moves like uberslow motion but everything in full screen is fine.

I even reinstalled windows from scratch and it does the same thing.

not good

sk3 · Dec 11, 2005, 04:13 PM

is there anyway to change deinterlacing option trough CP? or some registry hack. i think deinterlacing is nice to enhance video quality.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Dec 11, 2005, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash Override

hmm well I am having an interesting problem. it seems that for some odd reason in 5.12 opening up the CCC and going to the video area when the preview comes up my SYSTEM usage in taskmanager is showing almost 100%.

I can't think of a reason why it should be doing that with the SYSTEM process at all.

Also whenever anything is shown in a windowed mode it moves like uberslow motion but everything in full screen is fine.

I even reinstalled windows from scratch and it does the same thing.

not good

only thing I see useing much time is "System Idle process" under system
wich is of course unused cpu time...

For the game preview:
Its aopengl game running in the "preview" pane . Click and use the
"all settings" under the 3dtab and the previews.exe won't show its
only useing 2-5% on my system anyways (3400+ AMD64)

In the the video section they have a video playing it only uses 9%.
under the video settings again there is a "all settings" again that has
no preview...

I wonder do you have any codec packs installed? I'm useing the latest
kazza lite mega pack wonder if that makes any difference....

~~Crash Override~~ · Dec 12, 2005, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

only thing I see useing much time is "System Idle process" under system
wich is of course unused cpu time...

For the game preview:
Its aopengl game running in the "preview" pane . Click and use the
"all settings" under the 3dtab and the previews.exe won't show its
only useing 2-5% on my system anyways (3400+ AMD64)

In the the video section they have a video playing it only uses 9%.
under the video settings again there is a "all settings" again that has
no preview...

I wonder do you have any codec packs installed? I'm useing the latest
kazza lite mega pack wonder if that makes any difference....

nope....in fact this is a fresh windows install on this system.

the game preview has no issues, it seems its only 2D drawing that does it and funnily enough it only does it on my LCD monitor.

I just switched over to my CRT monitor and everything works perfectly.

It's not only in the CCC that it happens either.

If I open up a webpage that has any sort of animations it takes the SYSTEM process all the way up to 100 usage and the systems slows to a crawl.

the instant I disconnect the LCD monitor poof....all is well again.

I tested the monitor on another system and it works perfectly.

I've tried the LCD via the standard vga connector and via DVI and it does the same in both cases.

this is a very very weird bug and quite honestly it's really pissin me off lol.

I had figured it was a driver bug related only to the 5.12s but it seems it affects every other version of the catalyst drivers I can hook up.

I do have a theory.

It seems that for some reason with this LCD hooked up there is no 2D acceleration performed on the card at all. It all goes through the system process and uses the CPU for rendering all 2D objects, but the 3D rendering works perfectly.

I can't think of a single reason why it should be but man would I love someone who's a programmer from ATi to take a look at my system and seeif they can figure it out.

This is serously the oddest damned thing I have ever seen.

ReDGuiTaR · Dec 12, 2005, 08:08 AM

After reinstalling video card driver have you tried to reinstall the monitor driver as well ??? it looks like the new video driver does not see the display as it should ...

since it is not happening on your CRT ( wich almost never require a driver ) is leading me that it could be well related on the LCD driver ...

~~Crash Override~~ · Dec 12, 2005, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ReDGuiTaR

After reinstalling video card driver have you tried to reinstall the monitor driver as well ??? it looks like the new video driver does not see the display as it should ...

since it is not happening on your CRT ( wich almost never require a driver ) is leading me that it could be well related on the LCD driver ...

well now, dont I feel like a horses ass

This LCD monitor is the first one I've personally owned and when I first got it a couple months back I used the cd and ran it when I hooked it up to the old computer, but never thought about it as I'm so used to CRT's and the fact that you don't need a driver with a CRT.

Installed the LCD driver and now all is right with the world.

Damn now I feel stupid

Chaos · Dec 12, 2005, 03:22 PM

nothing like a good feed of CROW

It's always funny after the fact but so annoying before it's resolved.

BWX · Dec 12, 2005, 03:26 PM

What, is it some old LCD? Aren't most plug and play? What brand/ model is it? it seems like a driver wouldn't have made a difference.

Judas · Dec 12, 2005, 05:53 PM

i've been running all monitors with the PlugnPlay drivers.. the official drivers suck since playing around with serveral..... (crts)

PlugnPlay should work great with a LCD shouldn't it?

Chaos · Dec 12, 2005, 06:21 PM

yes plug and play drivers do work with LCD's but from the looks of things Crash OverRide's instanceshows how using the intended vendor specific driver was required for his display to work correctly

FrancoisC · Dec 12, 2005, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ReDGuiTaR

Zing a ling... zing a ling a ling ...

Out of subject I know, but your sig is from Francois Perusse right?

~~Crash Override~~ · Dec 13, 2005, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWX

What, is it some old LCD? Aren't most plug and play? What brand/ model is it? it seems like a driver wouldn't have made a difference.

thats the funny thing to. it's actually a brand spanking new Dell 1704FPT bought directly from them mid october.

I'd been running it on my older system with Radeon 8500 but I'd ran the CD in that case.

But now it works a treat and not a single issue with this system now.

This fixed every issue I was experiencing.

BWX · Dec 13, 2005, 04:04 AM

That is very strange. All I can think is that it was using a driver for another/ previous monitor..

I bet if you switched back to plug and play driver it would work fine. It would be an interesting test. it is just such a weird problem, being that almost all monitors are plug and play.

Edit-- yeah look- something else was the problem...

Quote:

About Your Monitor
Dell 1704FPT UltraSharp Flat Panel Monitor

Plug and Play Capability

You can install the monitor in any Plug and Play-compatible system. The monitor automatically provides the computer system with its Extended Display Identification Data (EDID) using Display Data Channel (DDC) protocols so the system can configure itself and optimize the monitor settings. If desired, the user can select different settings, but in most cases monitor installation is automatic.

http://support.dell.com/support/edoc...m#Front%20View

strange strange strange,,,,

~~Crash Override~~ · Dec 13, 2005, 01:03 PM

actually I never had another monitor setup this time around...

this monitor was the one hooked up for this particular windows install so I know it wasn't that.

btw when I let the pc go into standby mode I couldnt get the monitor to reinitialize at all either, so I had to uninstall the monitor driver again, this time by hooking up another monitor to the vga port. so for now I have turned the standby mode off as it seems to screw things up and have the monitor hooked into the vga port now instead of DVI and so far so good this time.

just really strange that it never had an issue with the old machine and it's still having some minor errors with this one.

BWX · Dec 13, 2005, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crash Override

btw when I let the pc go into standby mode I couldnt get the monitor to reinitialize at all either, ,,,,,,,,

Same thing happened to me yesterday- I am using omega drivers- the new ones.

Hmmmm.......

ViRuS2k · Dec 21, 2005, 04:56 PM

WOW i just had a freaky experiance lol

went to install the 5.12 X64 drivers and mid way though my screen went PINK LOL

i rebooted and ran drivercleaner pro and it happened again midway though but this time i just kept on clicking enter on my keyboard looking at the HDD LED on my case untill it stoped then my system rebooted and the drivers work fine apart from one thing the right click catalyst button on the contex menu isnt there anymore.

why is my screen going PINK ? is this a bug or my system lol either way the drivers are installed. i got a shock though thought my X1800XTPE was damaged hehe

Chaos · Dec 21, 2005, 05:47 PM

I would think more of a monitor issue perhaps. The screen should not go pink during installation. If you have another monitor I would remove and reinstall the drivers with the other monitor hooked up and see if the same thing happens, if so then I might start thinking about the card

Dec 11, 2005, 12:00 AM	#122
Chaos Number Nine Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 5,081 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	just checkin' bro you came off pretty strong in the original post __________________

Dec 11, 2005, 05:41 AM	#124
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,588 Rep Power: 96 System Specs	Just have .net 1.1 on my system.. CCC always takes about 9 to 12 seconds to open the first time.. then after that it is faster, but far from instant. Sometimes if I wait a long time after opening it the first time, it takes a long time again (up to 10 seconds). Maybe with 2gigs of ram it is instant, but with 1gig it is definitely not fast by any means. I have tested with every version of the CCC, I usually revert back to CP version and use ATI Tool for AI and geometry instancing adjustments, like I do with the 5.11. I also get overall smoother performance and less hitching in games with the CP that I do with the CCC. Not sure why, that's just the way it is after multiple windows installations and different hardware configurations. __________________ One Big Ass Mistake America

Dec 11, 2005, 08:55 AM	#126
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,588 Rep Power: 96 System Specs	Well since my last experiment I have heard of that trick to not allow display detection to speed it up- so I imagine that will help. And I have never used the tray icon.. actually I keep all icons out of there.. especially when running games, except the volume adjustment. __________________ One Big Ass Mistake America

Dec 12, 2005, 08:08 AM	#131
ReDGuiTaR DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Quebec , Canada Posts: 746 Rep Power: 0	After reinstalling video card driver have you tried to reinstall the monitor driver as well ??? it looks like the new video driver does not see the display as it should ... since it is not happening on your CRT ( wich almost never require a driver ) is leading me that it could be well related on the LCD driver ... __________________ Zing a ling... zing a ling a ling ... A8N-E - A64x2 4600, 2048 Mb Kingston ram 400mhz cas 2.5 ( 2 x 1024 DualChannel ), Seagate 320 Gig 7200 16Mb cache S-ata 2, GeForce 7900GT 512MB, Enermax 460watt power supply, WindowsXP SP2. Last edited by ReDGuiTaR; Dec 12, 2005 at 08:15 AM.

Dec 12, 2005, 03:22 PM	#133
Chaos Number Nine Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 5,081 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	nothing like a good feed of CROW It's always funny after the fact but so annoying before it's resolved. __________________

Dec 11, 2005, 10:04 AM	#127
~~Crash Override~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,448 Rep Power: 0	hmm well I am having an interesting problem. it seems that for some odd reason in 5.12 opening up the CCC and going to the video area when the preview comes up my SYSTEM usage in taskmanager is showing almost 100%. I can't think of a reason why it should be doing that with the SYSTEM process at all. Also whenever anything is shown in a windowed mode it moves like uberslow motion but everything in full screen is fine. I even reinstalled windows from scratch and it does the same thing. not good

Dec 11, 2005, 04:13 PM	#128
sk3 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 64 Rep Power: 0	is there anyway to change deinterlacing option trough CP? or some registry hack. i think deinterlacing is nice to enhance video quality.

Dec 12, 2005, 03:26 PM	#134
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,588 Rep Power: 96 System Specs	What, is it some old LCD? Aren't most plug and play? What brand/ model is it? it seems like a driver wouldn't have made a difference. __________________ One Big Ass Mistake America

Dec 12, 2005, 06:21 PM	#136
Chaos Number Nine Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 5,081 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	yes plug and play drivers do work with LCD's but from the looks of things Crash OverRide's instanceshows how using the intended vendor specific driver was required for his display to work correctly __________________

Dec 13, 2005, 01:03 PM	#140
~~Crash Override~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,448 Rep Power: 0	actually I never had another monitor setup this time around... this monitor was the one hooked up for this particular windows install so I know it wasn't that. btw when I let the pc go into standby mode I couldnt get the monitor to reinitialize at all either, so I had to uninstall the monitor driver again, this time by hooking up another monitor to the vga port. so for now I have turned the standby mode off as it seems to screw things up and have the monitor hooked into the vga port now instead of DVI and so far so good this time. just really strange that it never had an issue with the old machine and it's still having some minor errors with this one.

Dec 21, 2005, 04:56 PM	#142
ViRuS2k HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Uk Posts: 8,331 Rep Power: 59 System Specs	WOW i just had a freaky experiance lol went to install the 5.12 X64 drivers and mid way though my screen went PINK LOL i rebooted and ran drivercleaner pro and it happened again midway though but this time i just kept on clicking enter on my keyboard looking at the HDD LED on my case untill it stoped then my system rebooted and the drivers work fine apart from one thing the right click catalyst button on the contex menu isnt there anymore. why is my screen going PINK ? is this a bug or my system lol either way the drivers are installed. i got a shock though thought my X1800XTPE was damaged hehe

Dec 21, 2005, 05:47 PM	#143
Chaos Number Nine Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 5,081 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	I would think more of a monitor issue perhaps. The screen should not go pink during installation. If you have another monitor I would remove and reinstall the drivers with the other monitor hooked up and see if the same thing happens, if so then I might start thinking about the card __________________

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