ok lets cut the crap, which driver !!!

Zardon · Jul 14, 2002, 04:45 AM

I just bought a Leadtek WinFast A250Ultra TD (NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600) which should get to me mid week and I want to hear which driver sets you recommend.

im looking for everything, stability, IQ, performance, so lets hear.

Omegas? 29s? 30s? or what?

ive parted with my 8500 and its been a while since ive been in the Nvidia game.

Thanks.

digitalwanderer · Jul 14, 2002, 05:17 AM

One nice thing about nVidia is their consistancy, usually the latest leaked betas are the best. I'm liking the 30.30 set, but the 29.80s rocked too. Nothing at all wrong with the 29.42 "official" set if'n you're not in to betas, but I don't see that as being a real hang-up with you.

Jul 14, 2002, 05:23 AM

/me salutes the great one

Ok my opinion is :

2832s for performance with not so good quality (with a little tweaking look better)

2942s (nvidia's) slower but look better than 28xxs (also tweakable for some speed)

And then we have the best of both worlds which are non other than the OMEGA,s
that seem a little slower than regular 2942s but look alot better.

Did i forget anything??.....Oh yeah the 3030s......DONT USE EM !!!!!

Like i said this is my opinion and i drew it with alot of benchmarks so dont start flamming me anyone.. ok ??

Peace !!

Mark_Fox · Jul 14, 2002, 05:32 AM

30.30 might not work good on gf3 ti500 but they work good on gf4 ti4600

iceboy · Jul 14, 2002, 05:41 AM

i always think that, the latest one will usually FIX something.. most probably stability. I don't think the fastest driver will be good. Anyway, you gotta geforce 4

Anyway think about this, you have nvidia driver A and B. You run a benchmark.

Average of A is 90 fps
Average of B is 75 fps

This may be what 3d mark tells you and so, you would use driver A right?

What they didn't not tell you..

Lowest of A is 30 fps
Lowest of B is 50 fps

Would you still use driver A???

Driver B is what a call a stable driver..
OK another meaning of a stable driver is it won't crash your games.

Jul 14, 2002, 06:06 AM

OK Mark i totaly agree with that and im sure its true.

What many ppl dont get is that some bloody benchmarks cannot be taken into consideration for a very simple reason.

THEY DONT COME FROM THE SAME MACHINE !!!

This was also proven by marks post that the 3030s dont work good on my gf3 ti500
but work better on a gf4 (maybe true in his case but not a standard).
Another thing is that no mater how many times we run a bench on our own machine it NEVER comes out the same as before but with little up or down.

there are so many things we dont consider when testing our cards like :
is something else running in the back ground
or
Is our card overheated(major loss here )
or or or .....lots of those.

In the future try this and see the difference:

Start up your cold machine and do a bench then change your driver ,tweak etc. but
shut it down for a couple of minutes so it cools off then run your next bench.
I know it sounds painfull but after all we do want to give our fellow testers a correct
test.
Second try this with any new version drivers or tweaks:
Instead of running the bench once, try looping it for 3 or 4 shots.
Hmmm some ppl ask why............and the reason is that we use these cards for more than 3 or 4 minutes and if a card/driver is tweaked too much it will sooner or later overheat and result in alot of performance loss.

Some of the newer users have noticed that they were playing for about a half or whole hour(example ok?) and suddenly they notice that their game dont run so good anymore or even worse they end up on the desktop but worse than that the system CRASHES !!
What does this newbie do ??
He blames it on anything but the overheated card !!!

Offcourse it isnt allways the card but how many actually thaught about it ??

Well to close this all i want to say is everyone that can and has the basic know-how to
test his OWN system instead of reading someone elses results and trying a driver or tweak that my not work so good for them then bitch at the poor soul that went blind trying to create a better set(OMEGA) or someone else trying to help.

Thanks for going blind reading this....lol

/me bows and walks away

digitalwanderer · Jul 14, 2002, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark_fox
30.30 might not work good on gf3 ti500 but they work good on gf4 ti4600

The 9x/me series of the 30.30s seem to like my GF3 just fine, and it's clocked a tad faster than a ti500.

I'm not sure, but I think they've improved the anisotropic filtering speed...I'm playing GTA3 now at 8x and still getting over 40 fps.

Zardon · Jul 14, 2002, 06:09 AM

I wish Id never posted this lol, im further back from when I started !

Jul 14, 2002, 06:14 AM

I found this and it looks interesting:
...

http://www.pc-extreme.com/artikel/de...st/gf4_ti4600/

iceboy · Jul 14, 2002, 06:17 AM

heh, ok.. the latest 3030 is suppose to speed up the Anis. Filtering which seems faster..I am using 8x Af now.. suprisingly, with my card, it runs pretty smooth and not jerky in nature's scene of 3d mark.

For those whose drivers are much slower than omega's.. i believe they are using ali chipsets (like myself).. you have to enable ALIAGP manually in rivatuner.... i can't belif nvidia did that to ALI. Omega enabled it in his drivers.

Zardon · Jul 14, 2002, 06:18 AM

well after reading alot of articles and listening to people I think ill start with the 29.42 and work from there...

Jul 14, 2002, 06:24 AM

WOOHOO!!!

give the man a cigar....lol

p.s i though you were washing your hair....??

Zardon · Jul 14, 2002, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GREEKRAGE
i though you were washing your hair....??

yes it doesnt take me long now, im getting old ive less to worry about

Zardon · Jul 14, 2002, 06:31 AM

oh yeah any cool demos for the GF4, apart from the ones on the Nvidia website?

iceboy · Jul 14, 2002, 04:30 PM

game demos.. http://www.demonews.com and http://www.3dgamers.com

digitalwanderer · Jul 14, 2002, 05:13 PM

I'm now running GTA3 with 4x on and it's smooth!!!

Looks pretty too, I'm watching my wife play it now....

iceboy · Jul 14, 2002, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
I'm now running GTA3 with 4x on and it's smooth!!!

Looks pretty too, I'm watching my wife play it now....

You got a cool wife

Impulse · Jul 14, 2002, 06:11 PM

[SIZE=x-small]Omega's latest Nvidia Drivers

[/SIZE]

digitalwanderer · Jul 14, 2002, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iceboy
You got a cool wife

You don't know the half of it, but yes I do and I try never to forget it or take it for granted.

[SIZE=xx-small](<-----If'n you ever wonder why I seem like such a happy guy, it's all her fault! [/SIZE]

iceboy · Jul 15, 2002, 06:02 AM

how did you make your wife like the computer????

my case:
11+pm phone ring... me turn off volume on computer
me: hello
she: hello, it's me
blah blah blah
me: what did you do just now?
she: i just bathed, what about you?
me: oh i was using the computer..
she: playing games IS IT??
me: no um.. doing home work
blah blah blah... 12am
me: ok me going sleep now, bye
she: nitez bye

/me turns volume up.. continues till 2am.

digitalwanderer · Jul 15, 2002, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by iceboy
how did you make your wife like the computer????

She started being a solitaire junky, so I picked up winSol+. She gave Gazillionaire a try and was addicted to it for a while. She thought 3D-shooters were silly and impossible until I forced her down in front of the pc on the UT tutorial and explained the keys to her for 15 minutes, then she didn't quit playing 'til she had to go to the bathroom about 3-4 hours later.

The rest was easy. She's not really into games the way I am, (I like 'em all), but when she gets into one SHE GETS INTO IT! I turned her on to SoF and she was glued for an entire weekend, (and I was stuck with the kids...); when I was playing the Max Payne tutorial she was watching over my shoulder until I had to go and put my daughter back to sleep...when I came back she was past the tutorial and hopelessly glued for another weekend session, (and I was stuck with the kids...again & it was the first game she finished before I did...), she's been watching me play GTA3 and laugh maniacally for about 2 days before she started asking me about the controls, now she's addicted to it in all her free time. (She works this weekend, I'm still stuck with the kids.

)

I dunno, I personally think I just got extrodinarily lucky in the wife department. She's an extra special lady in just about every sense of the word and we form a great pair that's definately more than the sum of it's parts. (Two more right now at the very least!

)

Sorry for the rant, but if'n someone gives me an opening to preach the virtues and wonders of my wife to the world I more than gladly take it. I'm a bit more than just still madly in love with her after 7 years, we're still damned good friends too.

~~shai~~ · Jul 15, 2002, 06:49 AM

sounds like shes addicted
she needs help

Jul 15, 2002, 07:05 AM

RANTING??

No man its called beeing happy and all i can say is....GOOD FOR YOU !!!

Too bad only ppl in love or that have loved understand the feeling...the rest are at a huge loss.

iceboy · Jul 16, 2002, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GREEKRAGE
RANTING??

No man its called beeing happy and all i can say is....GOOD FOR YOU !!!

Too bad only ppl in love or that have loved understand the feeling...the rest are at a huge loss.

i agree

Jul 14, 2002, 04:45 AM	#1
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	ok lets cut the crap, which driver !!! I just bought a Leadtek WinFast A250Ultra TD (NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600) which should get to me mid week and I want to hear which driver sets you recommend. im looking for everything, stability, IQ, performance, so lets hear. Omegas? 29s? 30s? or what? ive parted with my 8500 and its been a while since ive been in the Nvidia game. Thanks.

Jul 14, 2002, 05:17 AM	#2
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	The latest=the greatest. One nice thing about nVidia is their consistancy, usually the latest leaked betas are the best. I'm liking the 30.30 set, but the 29.80s rocked too. Nothing at all wrong with the 29.42 "official" set if'n you're not in to betas, but I don't see that as being a real hang-up with you. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jul 14, 2002, 05:13 PM	#16
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	SOMETHING is up with the aniso in the 30.30 set! I'm now running GTA3 with 4x on and it's smooth!!! Looks pretty too, I'm watching my wife play it now.... __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jul 14, 2002, 05:23 AM	#3
GREEKRAGE Guest Posts: n/a	/me salutes the great one Ok my opinion is : 2832s for performance with not so good quality (with a little tweaking look better) 2942s (nvidia's) slower but look better than 28xxs (also tweakable for some speed) And then we have the best of both worlds which are non other than the OMEGA,s that seem a little slower than regular 2942s but look alot better. Did i forget anything??.....Oh yeah the 3030s......DONT USE EM !!!!! Like i said this is my opinion and i drew it with alot of benchmarks so dont start flamming me anyone.. ok ?? Peace !!

Jul 14, 2002, 05:32 AM	#4
Mark_Fox RIP Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 308 Rep Power: 0	30.30 might not work good on gf3 ti500 but they work good on gf4 ti4600

Jul 14, 2002, 05:41 AM	#5
iceboy DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SG Posts: 185 Rep Power: 0	i always think that, the latest one will usually FIX something.. most probably stability. I don't think the fastest driver will be good. Anyway, you gotta geforce 4 Anyway think about this, you have nvidia driver A and B. You run a benchmark. Average of A is 90 fps Average of B is 75 fps This may be what 3d mark tells you and so, you would use driver A right? What they didn't not tell you.. Lowest of A is 30 fps Lowest of B is 50 fps Would you still use driver A??? Driver B is what a call a stable driver.. OK another meaning of a stable driver is it won't crash your games.

Jul 14, 2002, 06:06 AM	#6
GREEKRAGE Guest Posts: n/a	OK Mark i totaly agree with that and im sure its true. What many ppl dont get is that some bloody benchmarks cannot be taken into consideration for a very simple reason. THEY DONT COME FROM THE SAME MACHINE !!! This was also proven by marks post that the 3030s dont work good on my gf3 ti500 but work better on a gf4 (maybe true in his case but not a standard). Another thing is that no mater how many times we run a bench on our own machine it NEVER comes out the same as before but with little up or down. there are so many things we dont consider when testing our cards like : is something else running in the back ground or Is our card overheated(major loss here ) or or or .....lots of those. In the future try this and see the difference: Start up your cold machine and do a bench then change your driver ,tweak etc. but shut it down for a couple of minutes so it cools off then run your next bench. I know it sounds painfull but after all we do want to give our fellow testers a correct test. Second try this with any new version drivers or tweaks: Instead of running the bench once, try looping it for 3 or 4 shots. Hmmm some ppl ask why............and the reason is that we use these cards for more than 3 or 4 minutes and if a card/driver is tweaked too much it will sooner or later overheat and result in alot of performance loss. Some of the newer users have noticed that they were playing for about a half or whole hour(example ok?) and suddenly they notice that their game dont run so good anymore or even worse they end up on the desktop but worse than that the system CRASHES !! What does this newbie do ?? He blames it on anything but the overheated card !!! Offcourse it isnt allways the card but how many actually thaught about it ?? Well to close this all i want to say is everyone that can and has the basic know-how to test his OWN system instead of reading someone elses results and trying a driver or tweak that my not work so good for them then bitch at the poor soul that went blind trying to create a better set(OMEGA) or someone else trying to help. Thanks for going blind reading this....lol /me bows and walks away

Jul 14, 2002, 06:09 AM	Thread Starter #8
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	I wish Id never posted this lol, im further back from when I started !

Jul 14, 2002, 06:14 AM	#9
GREEKRAGE Guest Posts: n/a	I found this and it looks interesting: ... http://www.pc-extreme.com/artikel/de...st/gf4_ti4600/

Jul 14, 2002, 06:17 AM	#10
iceboy DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SG Posts: 185 Rep Power: 0	heh, ok.. the latest 3030 is suppose to speed up the Anis. Filtering which seems faster..I am using 8x Af now.. suprisingly, with my card, it runs pretty smooth and not jerky in nature's scene of 3d mark. For those whose drivers are much slower than omega's.. i believe they are using ali chipsets (like myself).. you have to enable ALIAGP manually in rivatuner.... i can't belif nvidia did that to ALI. Omega enabled it in his drivers.

Jul 14, 2002, 06:18 AM	Thread Starter #11
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	well after reading alot of articles and listening to people I think ill start with the 29.42 and work from there...

Jul 14, 2002, 06:24 AM	#12
GREEKRAGE Guest Posts: n/a	WOOHOO!!! give the man a cigar....lol p.s i though you were washing your hair....??

Jul 14, 2002, 06:31 AM	Thread Starter #14
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	oh yeah any cool demos for the GF4, apart from the ones on the Nvidia website?

Jul 14, 2002, 04:30 PM	#15
iceboy DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SG Posts: 185 Rep Power: 0	game demos.. http://www.demonews.com and http://www.3dgamers.com

Jul 14, 2002, 06:11 PM	#18
Impulse l33t Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 248 Rep Power: 0	[SIZE=x-small]Omega's latest Nvidia Drivers [/SIZE]

Jul 15, 2002, 06:02 AM	#20
iceboy DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SG Posts: 185 Rep Power: 0	how did you make your wife like the computer???? my case: 11+pm phone ring... me turn off volume on computer me: hello she: hello, it's me blah blah blah me: what did you do just now? she: i just bathed, what about you? me: oh i was using the computer.. she: playing games IS IT?? me: no um.. doing home work blah blah blah... 12am me: ok me going sleep now, bye she: nitez bye /me turns volume up.. continues till 2am.

Jul 15, 2002, 06:49 AM	#22
~~shai~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 613 Rep Power: 0	sounds like shes addicted she needs help

Jul 15, 2002, 07:05 AM	#23
GREEKRAGE Guest Posts: n/a	RANTING?? No man its called beeing happy and all i can say is....GOOD FOR YOU !!! Too bad only ppl in love or that have loved understand the feeling...the rest are at a huge loss.