Final solution to game death???

James Foo · Jul 16, 2002, 04:35 PM

Hi, anyone knows the final soution to the problem of 3D games crashing/locking up during gameplay? The problem I face is probably shared by millions around the world, looking at the no. of complaint threads on this issue! Same thing, game crashes 5-10 min in OpenGL mode (currently playing MoH, CS, C&C Renegade, Return to Castle Wolfenstein). This has bugged me for the past 3 months, so much so that I have grown used to slamming my PC and cursing the entire staff at MS, Nvidia, Leadtek, Soltek....(u get the picture!) I have tried the following recently, and realised the game mode in OpenGL crashes only after abt 30min. BUT THERE SHOULD BE NO REASON WHY THIS IS HAPPENING!!

1) Clean install of Omega drivers for Nvidia(forgot the version)
2) Changed from ACPI PC to Standard PC

Prior to this, I have done abt everything I see in this forum. These include; isolating of AGP card IRQ (now at IRQ 11), re-install of OS, re-install of game.

Point to note however; I once brought my PC to tech support, and the whole while I was there, not once did the game crash! Could it be the cooling of the chips (the tech room was A/C, my room is not, ambient temp abt 29-32 deg C), or the power supply (could the tech room's supply be more stable?) Pls advise, if anyone has similar situations as mine, and appreciate if you could offer your solution to share!

My system specs:
AMD Athlon XP 1800+(1.56MHz)
Soltek SL-75DRV2 mobo
256DDR Kingston
350W PSU
Leadtek GF2 Ti 64MB
SB Live! 5.1
30GB Maxtor/9GB Seagate
3Com Etherlink cable modem
Creative x48 CD-ROM
Atapi CD-RW 10x4x32

Bassj18 · Jul 21, 2002, 11:49 AM

I have had the same probles as you have ? have you fix it

Mark_Fox · Jul 21, 2002, 01:03 PM

there's no 1 solutions available to problems like these...I bet there's 100's of things that it could be and I'm afraid its only by trial and error that you might be able to solve the problem.

Bassj18 · Jul 21, 2002, 01:22 PM

if you do sovle it tell me becasue I got upset about it all

Mark_Fox · Jul 21, 2002, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bassj18
if you do sovle it tell me becasue I got upset about it all

I don't actually have these problems unless I overclock my cpu or graphics card - then games would freeze sometimes when playing... - heat is a big stability problem that causes freezes, among lots of other things...

If you post your specs and settings and tell us about your problem exactly, maybe we can help

- we'll try anyway...

Shaunboyland · Jul 21, 2002, 07:07 PM

just go out and buy a mac

j/k its prolly ur power supply

James Foo · Jul 22, 2002, 12:05 AM

I realised this prob only strikes in OpenGL mode. My D3D is fine. So I dun think it's a PSU issue. Could it be a DirectX prob?? Mine is currently 8.1. Anyone has any ideas for this OGL fix??? Greatly appreciated!

Mark_Fox · Jul 22, 2002, 02:28 AM

have u tried using different drivers to see if the problem might be driver related?

James Foo · Jul 22, 2002, 03:53 AM

yes, I have. from 21.83 to 29.42, there's no help at all.

Currently I'm using Omega drivers 1.0.92, there's been a significant improvement in performance and color detail, however the issue of lockup is not resolved. FYI, when I play CS in D3D mode, there is no prob at all (except when I exit from multiplayer, the screen goes black, and I hv to exit via task manager and end the game there and then). Whatever, it is OGL that's been the headache!

Mark_Fox · Jul 22, 2002, 05:06 AM

How are you uninstalling these drivers that you have all tried? Do you do it like this?

From add/remove control panel - remove nvidia drivers but don't re-start yet! Before u restart, go to registry and scroll down to [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Video] - remove all keys underneath. You might have 1,2,3,4,5, etc keys - all should be removed. Now u can restart!

When u boot back to windows, the system will display message(s) saying the display adaptor isn't configured, something is not set to maximum...etc...ignore it for now. Next install the new drivers, either manually by going to device manager and upgrading the current winxp default driver (12.40 or 29.42 if you have sp1 installed) or you can use nvidia automatic install program. Both should work.

If you don't - you should especially when going from 20.xx-24.xx to 25.xx-30.xx drivers

If that's exactly how you've been uinstalling older drivers (see guide above) = let us know...there's other things you could try...

Bassj18 · Jul 22, 2002, 02:13 PM

if I slow my computer down like my cpu it works fine

AMD AthlonXP 1800+ (1.56GHz)
K7S5A
256DDR
NVIDIA Geforce 2 MX/MX 400
SB Live! 5.1
40gm MAXtor 40d04oh2
100mb netwook card
WinXP Home edition
Creative 52x CD-ROM
Memorex CD-RW
350W power

James Foo · Jul 22, 2002, 06:24 PM

If that's exactly how you've been uinstalling older drivers (see guide above) = let us know...there's other things you could try...

Reply: Well, that's what I did after I found this forum. From the detonator drivers to omega ones, I followed the uninstall guide to the T. Any other ideas??

Regards to slowing down of CPU, I did try sliding down the hardware acceleration of my video card by i notch but no avail. Should I try adjust the FSB and clock speed of CPU?

Mark_Fox · Jul 23, 2002, 02:03 AM

Its seems weird that only OpenGL games you have problem with if you uninstall the drivers correctly. My thinking was that you might have some opengl values in the registry that cause the problems. I have another question - are you using any tweaking utilities such as rivatuner perhaps?

Another thing to note is that on my system for some reason OpenGL games - especially those based on quake3 engine - make my cpu hotter then when I play gta3 or morrowind or run 3dmark2001...(d3d games). I don't know why but my question to you is - what's your temperatures of cpu like under heavy load? Also - are you overclocking your cpu or graphics card?

Oh and of course I assume you have all the latest motherboard drivers and bios...? and latest xp updates...?

Also, a good thing to try might be to install a Win9x system and see if you have same problems there - that often might tell you if its a hardware issue that's causing problems or a software one...

shuki · Jul 23, 2002, 02:35 AM

a few things to try:
1. up the agp voltage
2. check voltages in MBM 5 and post them here
3. try a different power cord.

Bruzer · Jul 23, 2002, 04:52 AM

I wish I could be more specific, but you mentioned the temperature of your room and thought it to be much warmer then the room where your PC was successfully tested by a tech. I can tell you without hesitation, that before I air conditioned the room where my computers are, I had problems like yours constantly.

As you know, heat is one of our PCs biggest enemies. I find that when the temperature of my room exceeds 79 degrees, unpleasant things start happening to my computer. If I set the room temperature not to exceed 75, I never have heat-related problems anymore. It was that simple. Granted, not an inexpensive solution, but simple.

digitalwanderer · Jul 23, 2002, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruzer
I wish I could be more specific, but you mentioned the temperature of your room and thought it to be much warmer then the room where your PC was successfully tested by a tech. I can tell you without hesitation, that before I air conditioned the room where my computers are, I had problems like yours constantly.

As you know, heat is one of our PCs biggest enemies. I find that when the temperature of my room exceeds 79 degrees, unpleasant things start happening to my computer. If I set the room temperature not to exceed 75, I never have heat-related problems anymore. It was that simple. Granted, not an inexpensive solution, but simple.

I thought I was the only one who did that! I just started noticing Bubbles having a few weird crashing problems she'd never been experiencing before, then noticed it only happened during a certain time of day, then noticed it was really on the warmish side in the PC room at that time of the day....

-click-

I can't afford to crank my AC enough to cool the room I need cooling, and with central air and bad air circulation the rest of the house would probably get into the mid-50s before it cooled my PC room enough. I now just clock back from 960 to 944 during the hottest days and it's cleared my problem right up. (Blue is next to the AC vent in the room so she doesn't have any problems...I'm thinking of rigging some ducting.......)

Ryoko · Jul 23, 2002, 11:09 AM

dw - try cleaning out the fins of your cpu's heatsink, and cleaning the fans. also, touch up the thermal paste job...

James Foo - 30c room temperature is terrible for your computer, especially if you don't have the case covered in fans. 22 to 23 is desireable, 26 is stretching it. basically if the room temp is too hot, cool your room or underclock your computer. my a/c went out a while back and i had to clock down from 1035 to 866 until it was fixed. but slow is always better than no.

Bassj18 · Jul 26, 2002, 09:28 AM

If some one sove it easy and telme by e-mail or form because I can't beleve it the room temputer

TiredGeek · Jul 27, 2002, 04:17 AM

It's along shot but I've seen this cure all sorts of strange problems............
get a mains filtering extension cable and plug all your PC gear into that.

The sort you want to look for are the surge suppresion things, some even filter radio interference from the power supply. I'm talking about the thing you plug into the mains, not the psu in your case. Usually they are a four bar extension but I have seen Belkin 10 way versions. Expect to pay about £13 UK, don't know US$.

Hope that helps.

Bassj18 · Jul 27, 2002, 01:27 PM

if this works thank you (and if not are br back )

James Foo · Jul 27, 2002, 06:58 PM

A big thanks to the guys who posted their kind words here!

I've been away a while....

Ok, here's the workz:
Mark_Fox: Yes, I hv the latest software for my MB, BIOS, video card, sound card, xp updates. No, I do not OC anything, and no rivatuner. My puzzle is, why is it only OGL, and not D3D?? Could it be poss that OGL generates more heat? Is there any way to check my OGL registry values?
Shuki: Thanx, will try what u suggested (FYI, I tried a diff power cord b4, no gd)
Ryoko: UnderOC is something like a procrastination, who wouldnt want optimal performance? :Pp anyway, will do so now.
TiredGeek: Not too sure what exactly u're referring to, but are u suspecting the power fluctuation to the PSU? FYI, I hv a 34" TV just next room, and whenever it's power is turned on, my PC underwent a "flux", like the kind you see on an old monitor when it's switched on?

MaYDaY · Jul 27, 2002, 08:41 PM

have you tried without the soundcard in? i once had a SB live 5.1 sound card and it caused me lots of problems. well i'm sure it was that because when i took it out i had no more problems. i ended up getting a Cmedia 8738 5.1 sound card and aint had any problems yet. who know's, it may not fix your problem but it sure sorted mine

.. if it dont work then i'm all out of answers for now.

MaYDaY · Jul 27, 2002, 08:42 PM

ohh, and good luck :]

Bassj18 · Jul 28, 2002, 12:24 PM

soo di you get it working then

Bassj18 · Jul 30, 2002, 03:12 AM

is 230v is good to run amd1800xp cpu

Ryoko · Jul 30, 2002, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bassj18
is 230v is good to run amd1800xp cpu

230v or watt?

if 230 watt, you'd be really lucky if it worked.

if 230v, make sure that your main power is 230v, or you could seriously fry your equipment.

Strief · Jul 31, 2002, 09:29 AM

hey James and all ...

yes, I get a similar problem as you ... crashes in openGl .... ESPECIALLY when alt-tabbing, or going into/out of a game of CS. Jedi Knight is stable .... ;-)

here's a couple random points ...

1. Try the nvidia drivers on the windows update site for xp -- 2.9.4.2
This stopped me from "instant reboot" and now windows catches the exception and kills the process cleanly. Definitely a plus.

2. I also have ambient room temps that can be pretty high ... maybe as high as 30c. No a/c, Toronto summertime.

3. Our apartment is a ghetto of wires .... home theatre, fishtank, full DJ booth, soundsystem with dual 15" subwoofers, etc etc. This all comes from 2 wall sockets ... daisy chained powerbars, etc. I suspect power fluctuations sometimes .... am seriously considering a full-on UPS with AVR etc.

hrm. I wonder what it could be .... getting really sick of the problem ....

s
1.2

Bassj18 · Jul 31, 2002, 10:04 AM

becasue I have brought good quitly ddr ram was cost be a bit but it will sove my problem because my friend had the same problem with his and he help me.

James Foo · Aug 3, 2002, 01:33 AM

Hey,
we do share many similarities here! Will try the win update site for 29.42 drivers, but I'm enjoying the Omega drivers so much it will be a real heartache to give it up! Btw, is there a URL to this update, coz Win update is a bloody maze...

I am seriously suspecting a hardware prob, the heat of my box is really gettin to bother me. Am gonna shift the entire machine to another wall socket, blast 500 fans into it while playing CS and see if it was really a heat prob. Keep u posted on my experiment.

Bassj18 · Aug 5, 2002, 02:45 PM

if you download sr-1 of xp it will sove this problem becasue it has my and my computer it better now

Jul 16, 2002, 04:35 PM	#1
James Foo DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Final solution to game death??? Hi, anyone knows the final soution to the problem of 3D games crashing/locking up during gameplay? The problem I face is probably shared by millions around the world, looking at the no. of complaint threads on this issue! Same thing, game crashes 5-10 min in OpenGL mode (currently playing MoH, CS, C&C Renegade, Return to Castle Wolfenstein). This has bugged me for the past 3 months, so much so that I have grown used to slamming my PC and cursing the entire staff at MS, Nvidia, Leadtek, Soltek....(u get the picture!) I have tried the following recently, and realised the game mode in OpenGL crashes only after abt 30min. BUT THERE SHOULD BE NO REASON WHY THIS IS HAPPENING!! 1) Clean install of Omega drivers for Nvidia(forgot the version) 2) Changed from ACPI PC to Standard PC Prior to this, I have done abt everything I see in this forum. These include; isolating of AGP card IRQ (now at IRQ 11), re-install of OS, re-install of game. Point to note however; I once brought my PC to tech support, and the whole while I was there, not once did the game crash! Could it be the cooling of the chips (the tech room was A/C, my room is not, ambient temp abt 29-32 deg C), or the power supply (could the tech room's supply be more stable?) Pls advise, if anyone has similar situations as mine, and appreciate if you could offer your solution to share! My system specs: AMD Athlon XP 1800+(1.56MHz) Soltek SL-75DRV2 mobo 256DDR Kingston 350W PSU Leadtek GF2 Ti 64MB SB Live! 5.1 30GB Maxtor/9GB Seagate 3Com Etherlink cable modem Creative x48 CD-ROM Atapi CD-RW 10x4x32 __________________ AMD AthlonXP 1800+ (1.56GHz) Soltek SL-75DRV2 Socket A 256DDR Kingston Leadtek GF2 Ti 64MB SB Live! 5.1 30GB Maxtor+9GB Seagate 3Com Etherlink cable modem WinXP Home edition Creative 48x CD-ROM Atapi CD-RW 350W power

Jul 21, 2002, 11:49 AM	#2
Bassj18 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	I need help to (have you sovle it get) I have had the same probles as you have ? have you fix it

Jul 21, 2002, 01:22 PM	#4
Bassj18 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	so you have not sovle it then if you do sovle it tell me becasue I got upset about it all

Jul 21, 2002, 07:07 PM	#6
Shaunboyland DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Oak Ridge, NC Posts: 168 Rep Power: 0	just go out and buy a mac j/k its prolly ur power supply __________________

Jul 22, 2002, 12:05 AM	Thread Starter #7
James Foo DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	I realised this prob only strikes in OpenGL mode. My D3D is fine. So I dun think it's a PSU issue. Could it be a DirectX prob?? Mine is currently 8.1. Anyone has any ideas for this OGL fix??? Greatly appreciated! __________________ AMD AthlonXP 1800+ (1.56GHz) Soltek SL-75DRV2 Socket A 256DDR Kingston Leadtek GF2 Ti 64MB SB Live! 5.1 30GB Maxtor+9GB Seagate 3Com Etherlink cable modem WinXP Home edition Creative 48x CD-ROM Atapi CD-RW 350W power

Jul 21, 2002, 01:03 PM	#3
Mark_Fox RIP Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 308 Rep Power: 0	there's no 1 solutions available to problems like these...I bet there's 100's of things that it could be and I'm afraid its only by trial and error that you might be able to solve the problem.

Jul 22, 2002, 02:28 AM	#8
Mark_Fox RIP Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 308 Rep Power: 0	have u tried using different drivers to see if the problem might be driver related?

Jul 22, 2002, 03:53 AM	Thread Starter #9
James Foo DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	yes, I have. from 21.83 to 29.42, there's no help at all. Currently I'm using Omega drivers 1.0.92, there's been a significant improvement in performance and color detail, however the issue of lockup is not resolved. FYI, when I play CS in D3D mode, there is no prob at all (except when I exit from multiplayer, the screen goes black, and I hv to exit via task manager and end the game there and then). Whatever, it is OGL that's been the headache! __________________ AMD AthlonXP 1800+ (1.56GHz) Soltek SL-75DRV2 Socket A 256DDR Kingston Leadtek GF2 Ti 64MB SB Live! 5.1 30GB Maxtor+9GB Seagate 3Com Etherlink cable modem WinXP Home edition Creative 48x CD-ROM Atapi CD-RW 350W power

Jul 22, 2002, 05:06 AM	#10
Mark_Fox RIP Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 308 Rep Power: 0	How are you uninstalling these drivers that you have all tried? Do you do it like this? From add/remove control panel - remove nvidia drivers but don't re-start yet! Before u restart, go to registry and scroll down to [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Video] - remove all keys underneath. You might have 1,2,3,4,5, etc keys - all should be removed. Now u can restart! When u boot back to windows, the system will display message(s) saying the display adaptor isn't configured, something is not set to maximum...etc...ignore it for now. Next install the new drivers, either manually by going to device manager and upgrading the current winxp default driver (12.40 or 29.42 if you have sp1 installed) or you can use nvidia automatic install program. Both should work. If you don't - you should especially when going from 20.xx-24.xx to 25.xx-30.xx drivers If that's exactly how you've been uinstalling older drivers (see guide above) = let us know...there's other things you could try...

Jul 22, 2002, 02:13 PM	#11
Bassj18 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	help if I slow my computer down like my cpu it works fine AMD AthlonXP 1800+ (1.56GHz) K7S5A 256DDR NVIDIA Geforce 2 MX/MX 400 SB Live! 5.1 40gm MAXtor 40d04oh2 100mb netwook card WinXP Home edition Creative 52x CD-ROM Memorex CD-RW 350W power

Jul 22, 2002, 06:24 PM	Thread Starter #12
James Foo DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	If that's exactly how you've been uinstalling older drivers (see guide above) = let us know...there's other things you could try... Reply: Well, that's what I did after I found this forum. From the detonator drivers to omega ones, I followed the uninstall guide to the T. Any other ideas?? Regards to slowing down of CPU, I did try sliding down the hardware acceleration of my video card by i notch but no avail. Should I try adjust the FSB and clock speed of CPU? __________________ AMD AthlonXP 1800+ (1.56GHz) Soltek SL-75DRV2 Socket A 256DDR Kingston Leadtek GF2 Ti 64MB SB Live! 5.1 30GB Maxtor+9GB Seagate 3Com Etherlink cable modem WinXP Home edition Creative 48x CD-ROM Atapi CD-RW 350W power

Jul 23, 2002, 02:03 AM	#13
Mark_Fox RIP Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 308 Rep Power: 0	Its seems weird that only OpenGL games you have problem with if you uninstall the drivers correctly. My thinking was that you might have some opengl values in the registry that cause the problems. I have another question - are you using any tweaking utilities such as rivatuner perhaps? Another thing to note is that on my system for some reason OpenGL games - especially those based on quake3 engine - make my cpu hotter then when I play gta3 or morrowind or run 3dmark2001...(d3d games). I don't know why but my question to you is - what's your temperatures of cpu like under heavy load? Also - are you overclocking your cpu or graphics card? Oh and of course I assume you have all the latest motherboard drivers and bios...? and latest xp updates...? Also, a good thing to try might be to install a Win9x system and see if you have same problems there - that often might tell you if its a hardware issue that's causing problems or a software one...

Jul 23, 2002, 02:35 AM	#14
shuki DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: in the hidden place Posts: 1,975 Rep Power: 0	a few things to try: 1. up the agp voltage 2. check voltages in MBM 5 and post them here 3. try a different power cord.

Jul 23, 2002, 04:52 AM	#15
Bruzer DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: USA Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0	I wish I could be more specific, but you mentioned the temperature of your room and thought it to be much warmer then the room where your PC was successfully tested by a tech. I can tell you without hesitation, that before I air conditioned the room where my computers are, I had problems like yours constantly. As you know, heat is one of our PCs biggest enemies. I find that when the temperature of my room exceeds 79 degrees, unpleasant things start happening to my computer. If I set the room temperature not to exceed 75, I never have heat-related problems anymore. It was that simple. Granted, not an inexpensive solution, but simple. __________________ Proud Member of Team McPherson Racing

Jul 23, 2002, 11:09 AM	#17
Ryoko American Soldier Join Date: May 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA Posts: 1,725 Rep Power: 0	dw - try cleaning out the fins of your cpu's heatsink, and cleaning the fans. also, touch up the thermal paste job... James Foo - 30c room temperature is terrible for your computer, especially if you don't have the case covered in fans. 22 to 23 is desireable, 26 is stretching it. basically if the room temp is too hot, cool your room or underclock your computer. my a/c went out a while back and i had to clock down from 1035 to 866 until it was fixed. but slow is always better than no.

Jul 26, 2002, 09:28 AM	#18
Bassj18 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	help If some one sove it easy and telme by e-mail or form because I can't beleve it the room temputer

Jul 27, 2002, 04:17 AM	#19
TiredGeek DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Yorkshire, UK Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	It's along shot but I've seen this cure all sorts of strange problems............ get a mains filtering extension cable and plug all your PC gear into that. The sort you want to look for are the surge suppresion things, some even filter radio interference from the power supply. I'm talking about the thing you plug into the mains, not the psu in your case. Usually they are a four bar extension but I have seen Belkin 10 way versions. Expect to pay about £13 UK, don't know US$. Hope that helps. __________________ Never trust a man whom, when left alone in a room with a tea cosy, doesn't try it on.

Jul 27, 2002, 01:27 PM	#20
Bassj18 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	thanky if this works thank you (and if not are br back )

Jul 27, 2002, 06:58 PM	Thread Starter #21
James Foo DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Been out... A big thanks to the guys who posted their kind words here! I've been away a while.... Ok, here's the workz: Mark_Fox: Yes, I hv the latest software for my MB, BIOS, video card, sound card, xp updates. No, I do not OC anything, and no rivatuner. My puzzle is, why is it only OGL, and not D3D?? Could it be poss that OGL generates more heat? Is there any way to check my OGL registry values? Shuki: Thanx, will try what u suggested (FYI, I tried a diff power cord b4, no gd) Ryoko: UnderOC is something like a procrastination, who wouldnt want optimal performance? :Pp anyway, will do so now. TiredGeek: Not too sure what exactly u're referring to, but are u suspecting the power fluctuation to the PSU? FYI, I hv a 34" TV just next room, and whenever it's power is turned on, my PC underwent a "flux", like the kind you see on an old monitor when it's switched on? __________________ AMD AthlonXP 1800+ (1.56GHz) Soltek SL-75DRV2 Socket A 256DDR Kingston Leadtek GF2 Ti 64MB SB Live! 5.1 30GB Maxtor+9GB Seagate 3Com Etherlink cable modem WinXP Home edition Creative 48x CD-ROM Atapi CD-RW 350W power

Jul 27, 2002, 08:41 PM	#22
MaYDaY DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: uk Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	have you tried without the soundcard in? i once had a SB live 5.1 sound card and it caused me lots of problems. well i'm sure it was that because when i took it out i had no more problems. i ended up getting a Cmedia 8738 5.1 sound card and aint had any problems yet. who know's, it may not fix your problem but it sure sorted mine .. if it dont work then i'm all out of answers for now.

Jul 27, 2002, 08:42 PM	#23
MaYDaY DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: uk Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	ohh, and good luck :]

Jul 28, 2002, 12:24 PM	#24
Bassj18 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	soo di you get it working then

Jul 30, 2002, 03:12 AM	#25
Bassj18 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	help is 230v is good to run amd1800xp cpu

Jul 31, 2002, 09:29 AM	#27
Strief DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	same problem! hey James and all ... yes, I get a similar problem as you ... crashes in openGl .... ESPECIALLY when alt-tabbing, or going into/out of a game of CS. Jedi Knight is stable .... ;-) here's a couple random points ... 1. Try the nvidia drivers on the windows update site for xp -- 2.9.4.2 This stopped me from "instant reboot" and now windows catches the exception and kills the process cleanly. Definitely a plus. 2. I also have ambient room temps that can be pretty high ... maybe as high as 30c. No a/c, Toronto summertime. 3. Our apartment is a ghetto of wires .... home theatre, fishtank, full DJ booth, soundsystem with dual 15" subwoofers, etc etc. This all comes from 2 wall sockets ... daisy chained powerbars, etc. I suspect power fluctuations sometimes .... am seriously considering a full-on UPS with AVR etc. hrm. I wonder what it could be .... getting really sick of the problem .... s 1.2 __________________ Athlon XP 2000+ MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU VIA KT333, ATA-133 RAID, USB 2.0 2xKingMax 256MB PC-2700 DDR333 SDRAM Thermaltake Volcano 7+ Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum EX MSI GF4 Ti4200 128mb Seagate 80.0GB 7200rpm LiteOn 32x12x40 Antec PLUS1080B (SOHO File Server) w/ 430W PSU

Jul 31, 2002, 10:04 AM	#28
Bassj18 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	I hope I solve it becasue I have brought good quitly ddr ram was cost be a bit but it will sove my problem because my friend had the same problem with his and he help me.

Aug 3, 2002, 01:33 AM	Thread Starter #29
James Foo DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Strief.... Hey, we do share many similarities here! Will try the win update site for 29.42 drivers, but I'm enjoying the Omega drivers so much it will be a real heartache to give it up! Btw, is there a URL to this update, coz Win update is a bloody maze... I am seriously suspecting a hardware prob, the heat of my box is really gettin to bother me. Am gonna shift the entire machine to another wall socket, blast 500 fans into it while playing CS and see if it was really a heat prob. Keep u posted on my experiment. __________________ AMD AthlonXP 1800+ (1.56GHz) Soltek SL-75DRV2 Socket A 256DDR Kingston Leadtek GF2 Ti 64MB SB Live! 5.1 30GB Maxtor+9GB Seagate 3Com Etherlink cable modem WinXP Home edition Creative 48x CD-ROM Atapi CD-RW 350W power

Aug 5, 2002, 02:45 PM	#30
Bassj18 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	found the proble and sove it if you download sr-1 of xp it will sove this problem becasue it has my and my computer it better now