7319 3dMark on ti4200 with stock settings--> what next ;-)

Strief · Jul 16, 2002, 06:14 PM

background:
my first pc since a 486 i sold when i left university to cover turntable costs.
amd 2000+
msi gf4 4200 with the drivers from the nvidia page (29.40 i believe)
sb audigy platinum ex
512mb 333
msi kt133 mobo (ooooh the lingo ;-)
sexy antec case 430W supply
winXP (possibly a bad choice but i will stick it out for now)

scored a 7319 in 3dsemark. now, my case has decent cooling but my place doesn't have a/c to speak of right now. 5000 btu covering a 1000 square foot apt with hellalectronics.
so, barring silly oc (cpu temp read 39 now), what should i generally be starting to play with?

start me off slow, typical things that will be increasing either image quality or speed ... a lot of you folks really seem to know your gear, so realize it might be better for me just to wiggle a couple knobs and see if I can spot the difference ;-)

ok, thx folks

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digitalwanderer · Jul 16, 2002, 06:57 PM

I'd go and download yourself RivaTuner and try overclocking your GF4 a bit. I don't know about your particular 4200, but I do know that most of them just BEG to be overclocked!

You can generally find the lastest build here, but I can't connect to Guru3D thru my ISP.

Time · Jul 16, 2002, 07:20 PM

I think you could do around 13's wid dat badboy. I've seen it done, depends on the processor and chipset. Maybe bump the FSB and 280/300 on the Geforce4. I also think you'd be better off in the Nvidia forum...

Nice rig though.

Jeff · Jul 16, 2002, 07:31 PM

Moved to nVidia forum.

~~shai~~ · Jul 17, 2002, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Strief
background:
my first pc since a 486 i sold when i left university to cover turntable costs.
amd 2000+
msi gf4 4200 with the drivers from the nvidia page (29.40 i believe)
sb audigy platinum ex
512mb 333
msi kt133 mobo (ooooh the lingo ;-)
sexy antec case 430W supply
winXP (possibly a bad choice but i will stick it out for now)

scored a 7319 in 3dsemark. now, my case has decent cooling but my place doesn't have a/c to speak of right now. 5000 btu covering a 1000 square foot apt with hellalectronics.
so, barring silly oc (cpu temp read 39 now), what should i generally be starting to play with?

start me off slow, typical things that will be increasing either image quality or speed ... a lot of you folks really seem to know your gear, so realize it might be better for me just to wiggle a couple knobs and see if I can spot the difference ;-)

ok, thx folks

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this is low you should get about 8500 with that
so what drivers are you using and make sure you tweak winxp

Strief · Jul 17, 2002, 05:20 AM

shai -- what do you mean by tweak winXP? I use win2k at work, so a pointer would be appreciated. Are you talking about that darkViper service page where he disables all the windows services most ppl don't use?

I am running the latest set of drivers from nVidia's page. I had been having some instability (fixed now, onboard sound and raid array needed to be disabled) and so I've stuck with 29.42. Are you recommending a move to 30.30? I think until Omega's drivers get tested more on winXP I'll stick with nVidia drivers and fiddling with RivaTuner (unless you have other suggestions ...)

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~~shai~~ · Jul 17, 2002, 05:46 AM

for instance i use this sites prog i bought it from them
here
not only it has about 50 tweaks just for xp it has about a 100 for all of the os(meening it works on all os)
if you want it i can give you it for free
btw it also has dx tweaks

highpingdrifter · Jul 17, 2002, 12:15 PM

what sort of mobo are you using,your sig says kt133 but the mem speed says 333.if you have a kt333 chipset your default score should be around 9500 which is what i achieve with the same spec machine.
if you have a kt133 chipset thats your bottleneck.
slightly confused here could you please clarify.

Strief · Jul 17, 2002, 12:26 PM

sorry mistyped that
this is the mobo
MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU VIA KT333, ATA-133 RAID, USB 2.0

thanks!

a friend of mine suggested that I may have to make some settings changes to get this to run at the right FSB speed? let me know what you had to set up in the bios that wasn't defaulted.

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Strief · Jul 17, 2002, 12:49 PM

Skimming over the manual reveals a host of options availableon the motherboard.
Are you using the stock settings?
Did it automatically detect your memory speed etc?
I am sitting at work so I can't verify right now, but I have this feeling that I need to let the mobo know I have 333 ram, etc.

Can you let me know what you did with the mobo configuration?
I notice a Bios option to load "high performance" defaults ... did you try those?

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Raider1 · Jul 17, 2002, 01:00 PM

So what do u think of your ti 4200 i was thinking of getting one ?

highpingdrifter · Jul 18, 2002, 11:13 AM

tweaked everything to the max,if you load the high perf settings you get ultra 2,5,2 ,4way interleave etc,make sure your mem can handle cas 2 there a lots of people having problems with latest bios because it sets mem to cas2 default resulting in some computers not getting past the boot screen .
your mem will probably be detected as 266 so you will have to change the setting to hclk+33 which will run your mem at rated speed.

@ raider 1 the ti4200(64Mb) is an overclockers dream this puppy goes to 300/600 stable with stock cooling ,i hear the 128MB cards dont do so well but image quality good and top framerates i like it,only thing now the r300 looks so tempting

Strief · Jul 18, 2002, 11:20 AM

highping:

setting the mobo to the "high performance" defaults wouldn't let me boot windows, it was even crashing in the bios ... I had to really hustle to reset back to the defaults before it crashed in the bios -- that took a couple tries.

so I went back to the defaults, and then just set my memory speed and set the FSB from 100 to 133. that increased my 3dmark by quite a bit.

have you ever found that increasing the FSB causes anything like a PCI NIC to burn out? Last nite I tried putting my pc into "standby" in XP. It crashed, and now the AOpen NIC says "cable disconnected" whenever I start up.

check out my thread here:

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/thread.php?id=3212

WEIRD problem. I dunno if I should try clocking back to 100 on the FSB ... I was playing online for quite some time with it at 133 .... this seems to be more related to the "Standby" crash ....?

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Raider1 · Jul 18, 2002, 11:23 AM

300/600 sounds good thks

Strief · Jul 18, 2002, 11:29 AM

so what mobo settings you think I should change now, highping?
I'm new at this, so just one at a time ...

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Ryoko · Jul 18, 2002, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Strief
highping:

setting the mobo to the "high performance" defaults wouldn't let me boot windows, it was even crashing in the bios ... I had to really hustle to reset back to the defaults before it crashed in the bios -- that took a couple tries.

so I went back to the defaults, and then just set my memory speed and set the FSB from 100 to 133. that increased my 3dmark by quite a bit.

have you ever found that increasing the FSB causes anything like a PCI NIC to burn out? Last nite I tried putting my pc into "standby" in XP. It crashed, and now the AOpen NIC says "cable disconnected" whenever I start up.

check out my thread here:

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/thread.php?id=3212

WEIRD problem. I dunno if I should try clocking back to 100 on the FSB ... I was playing online for quite some time with it at 133 .... this seems to be more related to the "Standby" crash ....?

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if you unlock your cpu, all your harware is rated at 166. running at 133 should be no problem. as far as standby, it is evil. disable it.

fsb @100 means your cpu is running at 1250 mhz, your ram at 200mhz, and your agp at 50mhz. unlock your cpu, clock everything up to 166 (cpu 10*166, ram 333, chipset 333, agp 83.3mhz) and your 3dmark scores should easily break 10000, without overclocking anything.

highpingdrifter · Jul 19, 2002, 10:55 AM

i dont think you fsb is the problem ,make sure your ram timings are set correctly,try backing your ram off to cas 2.5 because like i said cas 2 can cause problem on some mem sticks.
personally i dont run mem at 166, it only really seems to help when benchmarking and i agree with the EVIL standby ditch it.
oh and enable 4 way interleave it helps speed things up a bit and if you go to http://www.viahardware.com and get the pci latency patch that will help any sound issues and help improve ide/raid performance.
i think it is just a coincidence that your nic has went down,maybe you could try it in another slot just in case it has a conflict with another device.

Strief · Jul 19, 2002, 11:27 AM

ok, now .... don't start flaming the n00b right away, but ...

Unlock my cpu? I've read about this, but wasn't sure what was involved.
How do I disable standby? (Other than never choosing Shutdown-->Standby)

Ok, now ... I *believe* my multiplier is 12.5, and my FSB is now 133.
I'm not sure how I'm supposed to find out what "normal" settings for all my hardware would be. I mean, I've heard folks say that my CPU is "supposed" to be at 133 FSB ... but it certainly didn't "auto-detect" that ...

So then. If my ddr ram is (166*2) 333 Mhz ... so you're saying that my "actual default" FSB speed should be .... 166, right? So my FSB speed should match my memory speed? (This might have been self-evident to you, but I'm just learning this stuff ....) Then I guess I would just set my ram speed to HCLK right?
As I understand it, with ddr, you cut the speed (333) in half to choose your correct clock speed.

(If at any point you guys think of a good "introduction to tuning and overclocking your pc" feel free to post the link. I didn't see anything at hardocp.com).

Ok next.

I'm not sure how to change the rest of the settings you mention ... chipset (you just mean fsb?), ram (this is what I have been playing with already, right? the timing?), the agp speed (how did you get that number? agp should be half of FSB? memory speed?). I'm not sure what my CAS setting is (or what that does ;-).

sorry if I seem a bit slow on the uptake, but believe me, I'm reading as much as I can!

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arnaudnl · Jul 20, 2002, 12:49 AM

Well u have a msi mobo, just like me, only i have a pc2100 version. Bit slower

But it doesnt fully use your memory bandwith, mine only gets 70% in sisoft sandra 2002.

I've got a ati 8500, and i only get about 7000. (At a athlon 1400 and 256 mb ddr.)

I think its your mobo thats the problem. Dont know fo sho, but its my bottleneck.

highpingdrifter · Jul 20, 2002, 12:06 PM

please take a look here http://www.amdmb.com go to the msi forum and there is a bios tweak guide and faq.Everything you need is there

Strief · Jul 20, 2002, 04:47 PM

thanks man. this was EXACTLY the information I was looking for.
h o o k u p s

later,
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Ryoko · Jul 23, 2002, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Strief
ok, now .... don't start flaming the n00b right away, but ...

i don't flame anyone unless i'm in the flame warzone

Quote:

Originally posted by Strief
Unlock my cpu? I've read about this, but wasn't sure what was involved.

when i looked around the internet, i didn't find anything on how to unlock a cpu, so i did it by trial and error. with your processor, what you need to do is take a pencil (preferrably a mechanical pencil) and write lines connecting your L1 bridges on your cpu.

_l1 . . . .
___. . . .

_l1
___| | | |

Quote:

Originally posted by Strief
How do I disable standby? (Other than never choosing Shutdown-->Standby)

in your bios, there should be a power save tab. disable all power management.
when you get into windows, go to display properties, screen saver (tab), power (button, bottom), and select never from all drop-down boxes.

Quote:

Originally posted by Strief
Ok, now ... I *believe* my multiplier is 12.5, and my FSB is now 133.
I'm not sure how I'm supposed to find out what "normal" settings for all my hardware would be. I mean, I've heard folks say that my CPU is "supposed" to be at 133 FSB ... but it certainly didn't "auto-detect" that ...

if your cpu is unlocked, it could theoretically run at any fsb speed. your cpu's only main concern is internal cpu speed (mult x fsb). my athlon 1ghz was defaulted to 10 x 100mhz. after i unlocked it, i ran it at 7.5 x 138mhz. my brother has a 2000+, runs his at 10.5 x 170mhz.

Quote:

Originally posted by Strief
So then. If my ddr ram is (166*2) 333 Mhz ... so you're saying that my "actual default" FSB speed should be .... 166, right? So my FSB speed should match my memory speed? (This might have been self-evident to you, but I'm just learning this stuff ....) Then I guess I would just set my ram speed to HCLK right?

your fsb speed should match your memory speed, but it doesn't have to. if the fsb and memory clocks are different, you will have a higher latency.

Quote:

Originally posted by Strief
As I understand it, with ddr, you cut the speed (333) in half to choose your correct clock speed.

actually, if you have ddr333, you're still running at 166mhz. ddr333 means that your memory is capable of running at 166mhz and sending 1 bit on every up and every down signal. sdram can only send 1 bit every up signal, hence, double data rate. so you cut the performance rating in half to determine the actual speed in mhz.

Quote:

Originally posted by Strief
I'm not sure how to change the rest of the settings you mention ... chipset (you just mean fsb?), ram (this is what I have been playing with already, right? the timing?), the agp speed (how did you get that number? agp should be half of FSB? memory speed?). I'm not sure what my CAS setting is (or what that does ;-).

there are 2 changeable settings. 1 is fsb (chipset, agp, pci) the other is memory.
the fsb setting is the speed the processor talks to the chipset, the speed the chipset talks to the motherboard, and twice the speed that the chipset talks to the agp port. (100 fsb, 50 agp. 133 fsb, 66 agp. 166fsb, 83 agp)

Quote:

Originally posted by Strief
sorry if I seem a bit slow on the uptake, but believe me, I'm reading as much as I can!

that's alright. it's rare that i know what i'm talking about so when i do i try to sound smart

Strief · Jul 24, 2002, 05:50 PM

Quote:

your fsb speed should match your memory speed, but it doesn't have to. if the fsb and memory clocks are different, you will have a higher latency.

ok this is interesting. this higher latency ... sounds bad -- is it? i just realized ... my pc might never have been running with both the same. right now, fsb is at 133, ram timing is at HCLK+33! is this bad?

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Strief · Jul 28, 2002, 12:08 PM

after trying some more aggressive memory timings, i am up to 10k!

note, couldn't get cas2 working ... wouldn't boot!

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Ryoko · Jul 30, 2002, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Strief
ok this is interesting. this higher latency ... sounds bad -- is it? i just realized ... my pc might never have been running with both the same. right now, fsb is at 133, ram timing is at HCLK+33! is this bad?

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if it were 100 and 133, then you might see better memory performance. but 133 and 166 is not enough of a difference in memory speed vs bus speed to justify the latency. ddr memory runs very well with lower latency compared to higher data throughput.

oh - and if you clock your me down to 133, you should be able to get away with cas2

Jul 16, 2002, 06:14 PM	#1
Strief DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	7319 3dMark on ti4200 with stock settings--> what next ;-) background: my first pc since a 486 i sold when i left university to cover turntable costs. amd 2000+ msi gf4 4200 with the drivers from the nvidia page (29.40 i believe) sb audigy platinum ex 512mb 333 msi kt133 mobo (ooooh the lingo ;-) sexy antec case 430W supply winXP (possibly a bad choice but i will stick it out for now) scored a 7319 in 3dsemark. now, my case has decent cooling but my place doesn't have a/c to speak of right now. 5000 btu covering a 1000 square foot apt with hellalectronics. so, barring silly oc (cpu temp read 39 now), what should i generally be starting to play with? start me off slow, typical things that will be increasing either image quality or speed ... a lot of you folks really seem to know your gear, so realize it might be better for me just to wiggle a couple knobs and see if I can spot the difference ;-) ok, thx folks s 1.2 __________________ Athlon XP 2000+ MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU VIA KT333, ATA-133 RAID, USB 2.0 2xKingMax 256MB PC-2700 DDR333 SDRAM Thermaltake Volcano 7+ Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum EX MSI GF4 Ti4200 128mb Seagate 80.0GB 7200rpm LiteOn 32x12x40 Antec PLUS1080B (SOHO File Server) w/ 430W PSU

Jul 16, 2002, 06:57 PM	#2
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	RivaTuner I'd go and download yourself RivaTuner and try overclocking your GF4 a bit. I don't know about your particular 4200, but I do know that most of them just BEG to be overclocked! You can generally find the lastest build here, but I can't connect to Guru3D thru my ISP. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jul 16, 2002, 07:31 PM	#4
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,191 Rep Power: 80	Moved to nVidia forum. __________________

Jul 17, 2002, 05:20 AM	Thread Starter #6
Strief DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	links? shai -- what do you mean by tweak winXP? I use win2k at work, so a pointer would be appreciated. Are you talking about that darkViper service page where he disables all the windows services most ppl don't use? I am running the latest set of drivers from nVidia's page. I had been having some instability (fixed now, onboard sound and raid array needed to be disabled) and so I've stuck with 29.42. Are you recommending a move to 30.30? I think until Omega's drivers get tested more on winXP I'll stick with nVidia drivers and fiddling with RivaTuner (unless you have other suggestions ...) s 1.2 __________________ Athlon XP 2000+ MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU VIA KT333, ATA-133 RAID, USB 2.0 2xKingMax 256MB PC-2700 DDR333 SDRAM Thermaltake Volcano 7+ Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum EX MSI GF4 Ti4200 128mb Seagate 80.0GB 7200rpm LiteOn 32x12x40 Antec PLUS1080B (SOHO File Server) w/ 430W PSU

Jul 17, 2002, 12:26 PM	Thread Starter #9
Strief DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	typo sorry mistyped that this is the mobo MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU VIA KT333, ATA-133 RAID, USB 2.0 thanks! a friend of mine suggested that I may have to make some settings changes to get this to run at the right FSB speed? let me know what you had to set up in the bios that wasn't defaulted. s 1.2 __________________ Athlon XP 2000+ MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU VIA KT333, ATA-133 RAID, USB 2.0 2xKingMax 256MB PC-2700 DDR333 SDRAM Thermaltake Volcano 7+ Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum EX MSI GF4 Ti4200 128mb Seagate 80.0GB 7200rpm LiteOn 32x12x40 Antec PLUS1080B (SOHO File Server) w/ 430W PSU

Jul 16, 2002, 07:20 PM	#3
Time DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 110 Rep Power: 0	I think you could do around 13's wid dat badboy. I've seen it done, depends on the processor and chipset. Maybe bump the FSB and 280/300 on the Geforce4. I also think you'd be better off in the Nvidia forum... Nice rig though.

Jul 17, 2002, 05:46 AM	#7
~~shai~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 613 Rep Power: 0	for instance i use this sites prog i bought it from them here not only it has about 50 tweaks just for xp it has about a 100 for all of the os(meening it works on all os) if you want it i can give you it for free btw it also has dx tweaks

Jul 17, 2002, 12:15 PM	#8
highpingdrifter Truth will set you free Join Date: May 2002 Location: england Posts: 118 Rep Power: 0	what sort of mobo are you using,your sig says kt133 but the mem speed says 333.if you have a kt333 chipset your default score should be around 9500 which is what i achieve with the same spec machine. if you have a kt133 chipset thats your bottleneck. slightly confused here could you please clarify.

Jul 17, 2002, 12:49 PM	Thread Starter #10
Strief DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	oh, i see Skimming over the manual reveals a host of options availableon the motherboard. Are you using the stock settings? Did it automatically detect your memory speed etc? I am sitting at work so I can't verify right now, but I have this feeling that I need to let the mobo know I have 333 ram, etc. Can you let me know what you did with the mobo configuration? I notice a Bios option to load "high performance" defaults ... did you try those? s 1.2 __________________ Athlon XP 2000+ MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU VIA KT333, ATA-133 RAID, USB 2.0 2xKingMax 256MB PC-2700 DDR333 SDRAM Thermaltake Volcano 7+ Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum EX MSI GF4 Ti4200 128mb Seagate 80.0GB 7200rpm LiteOn 32x12x40 Antec PLUS1080B (SOHO File Server) w/ 430W PSU

Jul 17, 2002, 01:00 PM	#11
Raider1 There is always next year Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 601 Rep Power: 0	Ti 4200 So what do u think of your ti 4200 i was thinking of getting one ? __________________ The Autumn Wind is a pirate. Blustering in from sea With a rollicking song he sweeps along swaggering boisterously. His face is weather beaten. He wears a hooded sash. With his silver hat about his head And a bristly black moustache. He growls as he storms the country. A villain big and bold. And the trees all shake and quiver and quake. As he robs them of their gold. The Autumn wind is a Raider. Pillaging just for fun. He'll knock you 'round and upside down. And laugh when he's conquered and won. My Rig

Jul 18, 2002, 11:13 AM	#12
highpingdrifter Truth will set you free Join Date: May 2002 Location: england Posts: 118 Rep Power: 0	tweaked everything to the max,if you load the high perf settings you get ultra 2,5,2 ,4way interleave etc,make sure your mem can handle cas 2 there a lots of people having problems with latest bios because it sets mem to cas2 default resulting in some computers not getting past the boot screen . your mem will probably be detected as 266 so you will have to change the setting to hclk+33 which will run your mem at rated speed. @ raider 1 the ti4200(64Mb) is an overclockers dream this puppy goes to 300/600 stable with stock cooling ,i hear the 128MB cards dont do so well but image quality good and top framerates i like it,only thing now the r300 looks so tempting

Jul 18, 2002, 11:20 AM	Thread Starter #13
Strief DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	up to 8913 with stock settings highping: setting the mobo to the "high performance" defaults wouldn't let me boot windows, it was even crashing in the bios ... I had to really hustle to reset back to the defaults before it crashed in the bios -- that took a couple tries. so I went back to the defaults, and then just set my memory speed and set the FSB from 100 to 133. that increased my 3dmark by quite a bit. have you ever found that increasing the FSB causes anything like a PCI NIC to burn out? Last nite I tried putting my pc into "standby" in XP. It crashed, and now the AOpen NIC says "cable disconnected" whenever I start up. check out my thread here: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/thread.php?id=3212 WEIRD problem. I dunno if I should try clocking back to 100 on the FSB ... I was playing online for quite some time with it at 133 .... this seems to be more related to the "Standby" crash ....? s 1.2 __________________ Athlon XP 2000+ MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU VIA KT333, ATA-133 RAID, USB 2.0 2xKingMax 256MB PC-2700 DDR333 SDRAM Thermaltake Volcano 7+ Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum EX MSI GF4 Ti4200 128mb Seagate 80.0GB 7200rpm LiteOn 32x12x40 Antec PLUS1080B (SOHO File Server) w/ 430W PSU

Jul 18, 2002, 11:23 AM	#14
Raider1 There is always next year Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 601 Rep Power: 0	300/600 sounds good thks __________________ The Autumn Wind is a pirate. Blustering in from sea With a rollicking song he sweeps along swaggering boisterously. His face is weather beaten. He wears a hooded sash. With his silver hat about his head And a bristly black moustache. He growls as he storms the country. A villain big and bold. And the trees all shake and quiver and quake. As he robs them of their gold. The Autumn wind is a Raider. Pillaging just for fun. He'll knock you 'round and upside down. And laugh when he's conquered and won. My Rig

Jul 18, 2002, 11:29 AM	Thread Starter #15
Strief DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	highping -- what mobo settings? so what mobo settings you think I should change now, highping? I'm new at this, so just one at a time ... s 1.2 __________________ Athlon XP 2000+ MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU VIA KT333, ATA-133 RAID, USB 2.0 2xKingMax 256MB PC-2700 DDR333 SDRAM Thermaltake Volcano 7+ Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum EX MSI GF4 Ti4200 128mb Seagate 80.0GB 7200rpm LiteOn 32x12x40 Antec PLUS1080B (SOHO File Server) w/ 430W PSU

Jul 19, 2002, 10:55 AM	#17
highpingdrifter Truth will set you free Join Date: May 2002 Location: england Posts: 118 Rep Power: 0	i dont think you fsb is the problem ,make sure your ram timings are set correctly,try backing your ram off to cas 2.5 because like i said cas 2 can cause problem on some mem sticks. personally i dont run mem at 166, it only really seems to help when benchmarking and i agree with the EVIL standby ditch it. oh and enable 4 way interleave it helps speed things up a bit and if you go to http://www.viahardware.com and get the pci latency patch that will help any sound issues and help improve ide/raid performance. i think it is just a coincidence that your nic has went down,maybe you could try it in another slot just in case it has a conflict with another device.

Jul 19, 2002, 11:27 AM	Thread Starter #18
Strief DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	hrm ... unlock? (blank look from the newb) ok, now .... don't start flaming the n00b right away, but ... Unlock my cpu? I've read about this, but wasn't sure what was involved. How do I disable standby? (Other than never choosing Shutdown-->Standby) Ok, now ... I believe my multiplier is 12.5, and my FSB is now 133. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to find out what "normal" settings for all my hardware would be. I mean, I've heard folks say that my CPU is "supposed" to be at 133 FSB ... but it certainly didn't "auto-detect" that ... So then. If my ddr ram is (166*2) 333 Mhz ... so you're saying that my "actual default" FSB speed should be .... 166, right? So my FSB speed should match my memory speed? (This might have been self-evident to you, but I'm just learning this stuff ....) Then I guess I would just set my ram speed to HCLK right? As I understand it, with ddr, you cut the speed (333) in half to choose your correct clock speed. (If at any point you guys think of a good "introduction to tuning and overclocking your pc" feel free to post the link. I didn't see anything at hardocp.com). Ok next. I'm not sure how to change the rest of the settings you mention ... chipset (you just mean fsb?), ram (this is what I have been playing with already, right? the timing?), the agp speed (how did you get that number? agp should be half of FSB? memory speed?). I'm not sure what my CAS setting is (or what that does ;-). sorry if I seem a bit slow on the uptake, but believe me, I'm reading as much as I can! s 1.2 __________________ Athlon XP 2000+ MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU VIA KT333, ATA-133 RAID, USB 2.0 2xKingMax 256MB PC-2700 DDR333 SDRAM Thermaltake Volcano 7+ Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum EX MSI GF4 Ti4200 128mb Seagate 80.0GB 7200rpm LiteOn 32x12x40 Antec PLUS1080B (SOHO File Server) w/ 430W PSU

Jul 20, 2002, 12:49 AM	#19
arnaudnl DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands Posts: 72 Rep Power: 0	Well u have a msi mobo, just like me, only i have a pc2100 version. Bit slower But it doesnt fully use your memory bandwith, mine only gets 70% in sisoft sandra 2002. I've got a ati 8500, and i only get about 7000. (At a athlon 1400 and 256 mb ddr.) I think its your mobo thats the problem. Dont know fo sho, but its my bottleneck. __________________ Paradox : A man walks up to you and says - "everything I say to you is a lie." Is he telling you the truth or is he lying?

Jul 20, 2002, 12:06 PM	#20
highpingdrifter Truth will set you free Join Date: May 2002 Location: england Posts: 118 Rep Power: 0	please take a look here http://www.amdmb.com go to the msi forum and there is a bios tweak guide and faq.Everything you need is there

Jul 20, 2002, 04:47 PM	Thread Starter #21
Strief DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	finally thanks man. this was EXACTLY the information I was looking for. h o o k u p s later, s 1.2 __________________ Athlon XP 2000+ MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU VIA KT333, ATA-133 RAID, USB 2.0 2xKingMax 256MB PC-2700 DDR333 SDRAM Thermaltake Volcano 7+ Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum EX MSI GF4 Ti4200 128mb Seagate 80.0GB 7200rpm LiteOn 32x12x40 Antec PLUS1080B (SOHO File Server) w/ 430W PSU

Jul 28, 2002, 12:08 PM	Thread Starter #24
Strief DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	up to 10k! after trying some more aggressive memory timings, i am up to 10k! note, couldn't get cas2 working ... wouldn't boot! s 1.2 __________________ Athlon XP 2000+ MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU VIA KT333, ATA-133 RAID, USB 2.0 2xKingMax 256MB PC-2700 DDR333 SDRAM Thermaltake Volcano 7+ Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum EX MSI GF4 Ti4200 128mb Seagate 80.0GB 7200rpm LiteOn 32x12x40 Antec PLUS1080B (SOHO File Server) w/ 430W PSU