Best Detonators for GF3Ti200?

Mize · May 9, 2002, 01:31 AM

Lazy as I am I'd like someone to tell me which Detonators will provide the best stability for a Athlon XP/GF3 Ti200 rig (one I built for my Mom

). I wasn't too impressed with the 28s.

Thanks,

Mize

Omegadrive · May 9, 2002, 02:31 AM

The 28s are in fact a little slower than the rest, but they are a LOT more stable then...
In fact, that set is then one I'm using for my first nvidia drivers release, the 28.90

I suggest you give them a try, they may not run fast but keep your PC from crashing...

My 2c

PAP · May 9, 2002, 09:42 AM

I use the 28.32's for my rig they seem stable enough and give good graphics, but i would also recomend the 27.42's for the fastest drives. the ti 200 we have is a so so card, ok i guess for most games, but remember it is the smallest of the geforce 3 line up.

PAP

Windows XP Professional
Althon xp 1800+ {O/C 1667 mhz}
Multiple 11.5 FSB 145, Vcore 1.800
Temps: idle 52c-55c, Load 58c-64c
Asus A7V266-E KT266a chipset
Coolmaster DP5-6131C-A1
Tw0 Crucial 256 ddr PC2100 266mhz CL 2.5
VisionTek Geforce 3 Ti 200 {O/C 220/500, 28.32}
Viewsonic A75f 17" Flat Screen
Sound Blaster Audigy Gamer
Klipsch Promedia THX 2.1
Realistic Pro 135 Studio headset
Hi-Val 24x10x40 CD/RW
Samsung 52x CD/ROM
Western Digital 5400 rpm 20 Gig HD
Logitec Cordless Keyboard
Logitec Cordless Thumb Track-Ball Mouse
U.S.Robotics 56k Sportster
3 Case Fans 80x80x25mm 33CFM
1 Antec PCI slot 111x89x21mm 42CFM
3DMark2001se compare
7735 Default
8599 O/Ced
PC Mark 2002 compare
CPU 5014 MEM 3362 HDD 773

EFA11 · May 9, 2002, 10:03 AM

22.80's I think are still the fastest 3dmark drivers and have some wicked OGL, but the 28.32 are about the same performance wise, and are downloadable from NVIDIA..

XSgore · May 9, 2002, 10:04 AM

Hi guys, this is my first post here. But, in my experiences of Detonator's (since I got my GeForce2MX in November 2000) it's not simply a case of selecting a driver, then telling everyone else which one to use, it's a more complicated process, since a number of different factors affect the end performance of the cards, i.e. what motherboard's your running, different RAM, processors etc etc.

I know it's a bitch, but really it's a case of trial and error. I've just recently installed 29.20 on my PC and left it, not even bothered benchmarking it, don't see the point since my XP1800 is fast enough :-)...

XSgore

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EFA11 · May 9, 2002, 10:18 AM

In most cases I would agree with you, but... Some detonators perform the same (e.g. better) for everyone, regardless of specs -within reason.

Impulse · May 9, 2002, 10:21 AM

[SIZE=small]Whell I suggest that you try out the 29.11 Beta Driver. I tested it and it seems to be faster than the 28.90, comming from my Gf2 Mx peformance[/SIZE]

Ray-Ban · May 10, 2002, 12:58 AM

Actually, your best bet for full dx8.1 support right now is the 29.20's because they increase the nature demo in 3dmark2001se by SO much! You will definitely see some of the higher, flashier features speed up.

29.20s are available almost anywhere on the web now.

Mize · May 10, 2002, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ray-Ban
Actually, your best bet for full dx8.1 support right now is the 29.20's because they increase the nature demo in 3dmark2001se by SO much! You will definitely see some of the higher, flashier features speed up.

29.20s are available almost anywhere on the web now.

Remember, my first concern is stability. Mom doesn't play too many games (but that doesn't mean I won't when I come to visit).

Mize

Omegadrive · May 10, 2002, 03:54 AM

The problem that really exist with the nvidia drivers is that almost all of the time a new driver vcersion means bug-fixes, so you can't just slap a 22.80 OpenGL driver (the fastest one yet) with the 29.20 drivers, it just won't work. Also, I can't use old drivers myself for my next releases, since the newer they are, the more compatible with newer cards.
When I loaded the Ti500 I'm using now the first drivers I tried to use where the 22.80 set, but not to my surprise, many of the games didn't run, just a black screen comes up.

BTW, as I said before, I care "nuts" about 3dmark2k1, so any increase there, is not of my concern, but if there is an increase in a GAME, then that's my concern, I want to deliver drivers for gamers, not benchmarkers.

BTW2, My first drivers will be based in the 28.90 set, but I'll update progresively...

Impulse · May 10, 2002, 07:28 AM

[SIZE=small]Wow, the 22.80 Nvidia OpenGL driver Is fastest one, intresting Omega. I, however do some driver tweaking myself with Nvidia but not much with Ati drivers. Right now, on my GF2 MX, I tested and used the 29.11 and they seem to be a faster cause I took a comparision on 3Dmark using the same card and comparing the 28.90. I haven't had any problems with the Win2k 29.11 driver, no torn pixels In games like Q3, HL Engine based game, etc. No lockups whatsosever but I didn't oc my gf2 though. A couple of FPS increase with the 29.11 but no crash or game lockups yet

...Btw I used DX 8.1 Win2k not DX 7.0[/SIZE]

Chaos · May 10, 2002, 03:54 PM

I have tried pretty much ever set you can imagine on my MSI Geforce 3 TI 200. 22.80 was the fastest for me but oddly enough 23.11 work really well with it also. I am currently running 29.20 and have no lockup's etc!!! but they are not as fast in 3DMark 2001 SE on my machine.

My machine is processor limited at the moment with only a 1 Ghz Athlon not oc'd

digitalwanderer · May 10, 2002, 04:28 PM

I like the 29.20 set now that I got rid of all the nView crap before install. Very stable for me, very fast. (On both a GF2 MX400/TUSL2-C & GF3/CUSL2-C )

Impulse · May 10, 2002, 04:39 PM

[SIZE=small]Getting rid of the Nview feature in the 28.xx series is easy but i guess for user that doesn't wanna tamper with those settings is a relief having the 29.20 excluding it.[/SIZE]

EFA11 · May 16, 2002, 09:33 AM

Omegadrive, Im interested in what games you had black screens in. I personally have never run across a game that hasn't worked well with the 22.80's. Actually, I have never run into problems with any Detonators, including the loop lol. But I know there's problems with some and the loop. But the rest I always pass off as user error

That was my biggest concern. Everyone always said I would have to change drivers for every game lol

Anyway, I am interested

EFA11 · May 16, 2002, 09:35 AM

Why is nView a problem? It always installs here, but is never enabled. What am I missing there?

Ryoko · May 16, 2002, 09:49 AM

i still use the 21.81's, but i would try better ones if asus modded any for tv-in (v8200 deluxe)

May 9, 2002, 01:31 AM	#1
Mize The quiet one Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 149 Rep Power: 0	Best Detonators for GF3Ti200? Lazy as I am I'd like someone to tell me which Detonators will provide the best stability for a Athlon XP/GF3 Ti200 rig (one I built for my Mom ). I wasn't too impressed with the 28s. Thanks, Mize __________________ Chaintech 7NJS (nf2), AthlonXP2400+ 2x256 OCZPC3000R2 @ 185cl2 FSB Radeon 9700 Pro, Audigy, P95F, XPPro

May 9, 2002, 02:31 AM	#2
Omegadrive Drivers? What Drivers??? Join Date: May 2002 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,526 Rep Power: 61	Well... The 28s are in fact a little slower than the rest, but they are a LOT more stable then... In fact, that set is then one I'm using for my first nvidia drivers release, the 28.90 I suggest you give them a try, they may not run fast but keep your PC from crashing... My 2c

May 9, 2002, 09:42 AM	#3
PAP DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, Louisiana Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	I use the 28.32's for my rig they seem stable enough and give good graphics, but i would also recomend the 27.42's for the fastest drives. the ti 200 we have is a so so card, ok i guess for most games, but remember it is the smallest of the geforce 3 line up. PAP Windows XP Professional Althon xp 1800+ {O/C 1667 mhz} Multiple 11.5 FSB 145, Vcore 1.800 Temps: idle 52c-55c, Load 58c-64c Asus A7V266-E KT266a chipset Coolmaster DP5-6131C-A1 Tw0 Crucial 256 ddr PC2100 266mhz CL 2.5 VisionTek Geforce 3 Ti 200 {O/C 220/500, 28.32} Viewsonic A75f 17" Flat Screen Sound Blaster Audigy Gamer Klipsch Promedia THX 2.1 Realistic Pro 135 Studio headset Hi-Val 24x10x40 CD/RW Samsung 52x CD/ROM Western Digital 5400 rpm 20 Gig HD Logitec Cordless Keyboard Logitec Cordless Thumb Track-Ball Mouse U.S.Robotics 56k Sportster 3 Case Fans 80x80x25mm 33CFM 1 Antec PCI slot 111x89x21mm 42CFM 3DMark2001se compare 7735 Default 8599 O/Ced PC Mark 2002 compare CPU 5014 MEM 3362 HDD 773 __________________ Windows XP Professinal Sp2 XP 3000+ 333FSB,Asus A7N8X-X O/C FSB 180 @2.34 Ghz, temp 38c-45c Raidmax Scorpio 868W Blue, Antec true330 Corsair XMS Model TWINX1024-3200XLPT Cas 2 2 2 5, w/ Platinum Heat Spreader BFG Tech. 6800 GT OC, Forceware 66.81 O/C 405/1.2 temp 58c-72c Viewsonic A90f+ 19in. Flat screen SB Audigy Gamer, Klipsch THX 2.1 Seagate 40 gig 7200 rpm 52x32x52 cd/rw, 16x dvd

May 9, 2002, 10:03 AM	#4
EFA11 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Gamers-Ammo Admin Land Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	22.80's I think are still the fastest 3dmark drivers and have some wicked OGL, but the 28.32 are about the same performance wise, and are downloadable from NVIDIA.. __________________ www.gamers-ammo.com

May 9, 2002, 10:04 AM	#5
XSgore DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: UK Posts: 33 Rep Power: 0	Hmmmm Hi guys, this is my first post here. But, in my experiences of Detonator's (since I got my GeForce2MX in November 2000) it's not simply a case of selecting a driver, then telling everyone else which one to use, it's a more complicated process, since a number of different factors affect the end performance of the cards, i.e. what motherboard's your running, different RAM, processors etc etc. I know it's a bitch, but really it's a case of trial and error. I've just recently installed 29.20 on my PC and left it, not even bothered benchmarking it, don't see the point since my XP1800 is fast enough :-)... XSgore ======================================= __________________ =========================================== Athlon XP1800+@2000+(1670MHz), Soltek SL75DRV4 512MB PC2100 DDR, Leadtek GeForce 2Ti (266/433) WBB600 60.1Gb Philips CDD4801 & 16X40 DVD Soundblaster Audigy Player, Typhoon 5.1 DTS WinXPPro, soon to be Win2KS P2

May 9, 2002, 10:18 AM	#6
EFA11 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Gamers-Ammo Admin Land Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	In most cases I would agree with you, but... Some detonators perform the same (e.g. better) for everyone, regardless of specs -within reason. __________________ www.gamers-ammo.com

May 9, 2002, 10:21 AM	#7
Impulse l33t Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 248 Rep Power: 0	Best Drivers For Your GF3 [SIZE=small]Whell I suggest that you try out the 29.11 Beta Driver. I tested it and it seems to be faster than the 28.90, comming from my Gf2 Mx peformance[/SIZE]

May 10, 2002, 12:58 AM	#8
Ray-Ban DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wisconsin, of course. Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	29.20s = win Actually, your best bet for full dx8.1 support right now is the 29.20's because they increase the nature demo in 3dmark2001se by SO much! You will definitely see some of the higher, flashier features speed up. 29.20s are available almost anywhere on the web now.

May 10, 2002, 03:54 AM	#10
Omegadrive Drivers? What Drivers??? Join Date: May 2002 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,526 Rep Power: 61	The problem that really exist with the nvidia drivers is that almost all of the time a new driver vcersion means bug-fixes, so you can't just slap a 22.80 OpenGL driver (the fastest one yet) with the 29.20 drivers, it just won't work. Also, I can't use old drivers myself for my next releases, since the newer they are, the more compatible with newer cards. When I loaded the Ti500 I'm using now the first drivers I tried to use where the 22.80 set, but not to my surprise, many of the games didn't run, just a black screen comes up. BTW, as I said before, I care "nuts" about 3dmark2k1, so any increase there, is not of my concern, but if there is an increase in a GAME, then that's my concern, I want to deliver drivers for gamers, not benchmarkers. BTW2, My first drivers will be based in the 28.90 set, but I'll update progresively...

May 10, 2002, 07:28 AM	#11
Impulse l33t Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 248 Rep Power: 0	[SIZE=small]Wow, the 22.80 Nvidia OpenGL driver Is fastest one, intresting Omega. I, however do some driver tweaking myself with Nvidia but not much with Ati drivers. Right now, on my GF2 MX, I tested and used the 29.11 and they seem to be a faster cause I took a comparision on 3Dmark using the same card and comparing the 28.90. I haven't had any problems with the Win2k 29.11 driver, no torn pixels In games like Q3, HL Engine based game, etc. No lockups whatsosever but I didn't oc my gf2 though. A couple of FPS increase with the 29.11 but no crash or game lockups yet ...Btw I used DX 8.1 Win2k not DX 7.0[/SIZE]

May 10, 2002, 03:54 PM	#12
Chaos Number Nine Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 5,085 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Detonator Drivers for Win2K I have tried pretty much ever set you can imagine on my MSI Geforce 3 TI 200. 22.80 was the fastest for me but oddly enough 23.11 work really well with it also. I am currently running 29.20 and have no lockup's etc!!! but they are not as fast in 3DMark 2001 SE on my machine. My machine is processor limited at the moment with only a 1 Ghz Athlon not oc'd __________________

May 10, 2002, 04:28 PM	#13
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,620 Rep Power: 0	29.20 without nView I like the 29.20 set now that I got rid of all the nView crap before install. Very stable for me, very fast. (On both a GF2 MX400/TUSL2-C & GF3/CUSL2-C ) __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

May 10, 2002, 04:39 PM	#14
Impulse l33t Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 248 Rep Power: 0	[SIZE=small]Getting rid of the Nview feature in the 28.xx series is easy but i guess for user that doesn't wanna tamper with those settings is a relief having the 29.20 excluding it.[/SIZE]

May 16, 2002, 09:33 AM	#15
EFA11 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Gamers-Ammo Admin Land Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	Omegadrive, Im interested in what games you had black screens in. I personally have never run across a game that hasn't worked well with the 22.80's. Actually, I have never run into problems with any Detonators, including the loop lol. But I know there's problems with some and the loop. But the rest I always pass off as user error That was my biggest concern. Everyone always said I would have to change drivers for every game lol Anyway, I am interested __________________ www.gamers-ammo.com

May 16, 2002, 09:35 AM	#16
EFA11 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Gamers-Ammo Admin Land Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	Why is nView a problem? It always installs here, but is never enabled. What am I missing there? __________________ www.gamers-ammo.com

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Ryoko American Soldier Join Date: May 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA Posts: 1,725 Rep Power: 0	i still use the 21.81's, but i would try better ones if asus modded any for tv-in (v8200 deluxe)